1 00:00:06,239 --> 00:00:08,628 *Willkommen, Bienvenue*-- Welcome. 2 00:00:08,628 --> 00:00:10,782 I always wanted to say that on a stage. 3 00:00:10,817 --> 00:00:12,804 (laughter) 4 00:00:12,856 --> 00:00:14,928 This is going to be inspirational, 5 00:00:14,928 --> 00:00:19,057 because this is the official Wikibase inspiration panel 6 00:00:19,057 --> 00:00:22,543 of WikidataCon 2019. 7 00:00:23,839 --> 00:00:27,519 The point of this panel is to be inspired by all the things 8 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:33,714 that people, in various countries, in various fields, do with Wikibase, 9 00:00:33,766 --> 00:00:36,034 the software behind Wikidata. 10 00:00:36,084 --> 00:00:39,375 I was really surprised to learn today that someone came to me and said, 11 00:00:39,375 --> 00:00:42,451 "I learned about Wikibase the first time today." 12 00:00:42,817 --> 00:00:47,073 So, it is the software that runs Wikidata. 13 00:00:47,073 --> 00:00:50,963 And if you want to order things in the world 14 00:00:50,963 --> 00:00:54,121 the way Wikidata orders things in the world, 15 00:00:55,101 --> 00:00:58,627 but you don't agree with the items that we have in there, 16 00:00:58,627 --> 00:01:02,372 because you might need a finer level of granularity, 17 00:01:02,372 --> 00:01:05,828 or maybe you don't want to start with Q1, which is the universe, 18 00:01:05,828 --> 00:01:10,197 because in your little world, Q1 could be a book, if you are a library, 19 00:01:10,197 --> 00:01:14,362 or it could be some kind of animal, if you work in biology, 20 00:01:14,362 --> 00:01:19,073 or it could be a historic person, if you do digital humanities, 21 00:01:19,073 --> 00:01:21,771 but you still want the same system of ordering, 22 00:01:21,771 --> 00:01:24,565 then Wikibase is the thing for you. 23 00:01:25,395 --> 00:01:30,070 Over the last one or two years, we have made contact 24 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,163 with extraordinary people, who are pioneers, who are trailblazing, 25 00:01:34,163 --> 00:01:36,641 who are evaluating Wikibase, 26 00:01:36,641 --> 00:01:39,920 and who are doing extremely great stuff with that. 27 00:01:41,216 --> 00:01:43,886 This panel is going to be very rushed. 28 00:01:44,372 --> 00:01:48,310 Every one of the participants of this panel would have deserved 29 00:01:48,310 --> 00:01:51,314 a one-hour slot to present their thing. 30 00:01:51,406 --> 00:01:54,007 But our program is packed. 31 00:01:54,414 --> 00:02:00,108 So, yeah, keep your seat belt fastened for a fast-paced ride 32 00:02:00,108 --> 00:02:03,829 through the inspirational world of Wikibases. 33 00:02:04,155 --> 00:02:09,870 And the first one is a project from two organizations, 34 00:02:09,870 --> 00:02:12,223 which is a little sensation in itself. 35 00:02:12,833 --> 00:02:16,495 The Bibliothèque nationale de France, the French National Library, 36 00:02:16,495 --> 00:02:22,343 and Abes, which is an authority for higher education. 37 00:02:22,870 --> 00:02:26,440 But I think you will talk about that more in your presentation, 38 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:31,406 and yeah, we'd like to welcome Anila Angjeli and Benjamin Bober 39 00:02:31,406 --> 00:02:34,741 on stage for the first ten minutes of inspiration. 40 00:02:35,509 --> 00:02:40,768 (applause) 41 00:02:46,204 --> 00:02:47,339 Hi, everybody. 42 00:02:47,339 --> 00:02:49,372 So, yeah, my name is Benjamin Bober. 43 00:02:49,372 --> 00:02:51,734 So, I work for Abes, 44 00:02:51,734 --> 00:02:54,406 which stands for Higher Education Agency, 45 00:02:54,406 --> 00:02:56,437 Bibliographic Higher Education Agency. 46 00:02:56,437 --> 00:03:00,642 Basically, we work with all the university libraries in France, 47 00:03:00,642 --> 00:03:03,070 and manage the union catalog. 48 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,362 And also their authority files. 49 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:10,353 And I'm here with Anila Angjeli, from the BnF, 50 00:03:10,353 --> 00:03:11,971 French National Library. 51 00:03:11,971 --> 00:03:16,027 And we're going to talk to you about our joint project, 52 00:03:17,077 --> 00:03:21,239 which is about creating a new production tool 53 00:03:21,239 --> 00:03:24,088 for authorities data-- 54 00:03:24,938 --> 00:03:28,785 person, corporate bodies, concepts, and so on. 55 00:03:28,785 --> 00:03:33,496 And we spent the last months 56 00:03:33,496 --> 00:03:37,064 asking Wikibase to do this stuff. 57 00:03:37,551 --> 00:03:43,931 So, I will give you some context really quickly, 58 00:03:45,833 --> 00:03:49,030 because it's important for us, as libraries-- 59 00:03:49,079 --> 00:03:54,475 There's been this technological shift recently 60 00:03:56,016 --> 00:03:58,051 with the linked open data movement, 61 00:03:58,051 --> 00:04:01,951 and we wanted, as a bibliographical agency, 62 00:04:01,951 --> 00:04:05,551 to follow this new trend. 63 00:04:06,111 --> 00:04:08,474 And, well, it's been years since we've-- 64 00:04:10,131 --> 00:04:12,611 experimenting with linked open data, 65 00:04:12,611 --> 00:04:16,215 with RDF, SPARQL and so on. 66 00:04:16,215 --> 00:04:21,765 But we think that now is the good time to move forward. 67 00:04:23,311 --> 00:04:28,313 It's also a good time because there's been a-- not a shift, 68 00:04:29,534 --> 00:04:31,009 there's a fundamental change 69 00:04:31,009 --> 00:04:36,780 in the way we consider bibliographical data. 70 00:04:37,712 --> 00:04:41,255 We used to, and we still have data 71 00:04:41,747 --> 00:04:44,803 stored in records, we call it MARC records 72 00:04:44,803 --> 00:04:47,801 in the library landscape. 73 00:04:48,444 --> 00:04:51,239 We used a specific format called MARC. 74 00:04:53,108 --> 00:04:56,956 But recently, there has been some way 75 00:04:59,431 --> 00:05:01,697 to think about it from another point of view. 76 00:05:01,697 --> 00:05:06,621 And to go from a record-based world, to an entity-based world 77 00:05:06,621 --> 00:05:11,572 when we try to interconnect people, works, 78 00:05:14,129 --> 00:05:16,724 and other entities. 79 00:05:17,777 --> 00:05:23,844 So, in this context, we decided to launch this joint initiative. 80 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:28,516 But our goal is far beyond libraries. 81 00:05:28,516 --> 00:05:32,461 We would like to have with us 82 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:38,060 other French GLAMS, for instance, 83 00:05:38,060 --> 00:05:42,386 because we think our project can help them also. 84 00:05:44,134 --> 00:05:49,368 So basically, our project is called *Fichier National d'Entités*, 85 00:05:49,411 --> 00:05:51,232 so National Entity Files. 86 00:05:51,917 --> 00:05:55,961 And it will be a shared platform for collaboratively create 87 00:05:55,961 --> 00:05:58,652 and maintain reference data about entities. 88 00:05:58,652 --> 00:06:01,544 Like I said, persons, corporate bodies, places, concepts, 89 00:06:01,544 --> 00:06:03,206 and creative works. 90 00:06:03,339 --> 00:06:06,221 So, we embrace a lot of things. 91 00:06:06,909 --> 00:06:09,632 And it's a challenge because it's the first time 92 00:06:09,632 --> 00:06:15,826 BnF and Abes collaborate at such a level. 93 00:06:19,031 --> 00:06:22,488 Giving you a quick view about where we are-- 94 00:06:22,618 --> 00:06:25,129 where we've come from and where we are now. 95 00:06:25,129 --> 00:06:27,834 We have been working on this project since 2017. 96 00:06:29,178 --> 00:06:31,967 We've benchmarked, other similar initiatives, 97 00:06:31,967 --> 00:06:33,923 and came to the conclusion last year 98 00:06:33,923 --> 00:06:40,687 that there was a strong interest in Wikibase as the FNE's backbone. 99 00:06:41,632 --> 00:06:44,886 We were considering it a good solution 100 00:06:44,886 --> 00:06:49,257 to build upon, but we still had doubts at this time, 101 00:06:50,016 --> 00:06:54,033 because we have specific needs to fulfill. 102 00:06:54,683 --> 00:06:58,871 So we decided to launch, to spend this year 103 00:06:58,871 --> 00:07:01,910 to build a proof of concept with real data 104 00:07:01,910 --> 00:07:06,039 both from BnF catalog, authority catalog, and our catalogs. 105 00:07:06,718 --> 00:07:10,990 And well, try to merge this data into a Wikibase, 106 00:07:10,990 --> 00:07:13,471 and to try to see how they behave 107 00:07:13,471 --> 00:07:17,964 and how the tool can fulfill our needs. 108 00:07:18,103 --> 00:07:22,370 And we were helped in this proof of concept 109 00:07:22,370 --> 00:07:27,282 by Maxime and Vincent from Inventaire.io, 110 00:07:28,497 --> 00:07:33,145 who helped us have a better idea 111 00:07:33,145 --> 00:07:37,133 about what Wikibase can bring us. 112 00:07:37,188 --> 00:07:40,272 And Anila will talk about the first findings. 113 00:07:42,255 --> 00:07:46,913 So, while this decision to go 114 00:07:46,995 --> 00:07:49,713 with experiments with the Wikibase 115 00:07:49,713 --> 00:07:52,793 as the technical infrastructure backbone 116 00:07:52,793 --> 00:07:57,360 or the basic layer for our FNE 117 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:04,100 was because it's not trivial to move from one system to another, 118 00:08:04,657 --> 00:08:10,170 and because the initiative of using the Wikibase 119 00:08:10,940 --> 00:08:15,976 as the technical infrastructure for our data-- 120 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,262 it was both-- 121 00:08:20,396 --> 00:08:25,771 means that we move from our classical 122 00:08:26,545 --> 00:08:28,083 system information 123 00:08:28,083 --> 00:08:33,131 or library information system to quite another thing. 124 00:08:33,643 --> 00:08:36,469 And so, we needed to experiment first, 125 00:08:36,469 --> 00:08:41,751 and just to see whether a set of functionalities that are-- 126 00:08:42,439 --> 00:08:48,189 that we usually need to perform and fulfill in our environment-- 127 00:08:48,239 --> 00:08:49,739 professional environment. 128 00:08:49,739 --> 00:08:52,946 I'm talking here about creating and maintaining, 129 00:08:52,946 --> 00:08:56,562 and not publishing, which is a big difference. 130 00:08:56,562 --> 00:08:59,685 You were at the session, the previous session, 131 00:08:59,685 --> 00:09:04,393 with just Wikidata Commons, 132 00:09:04,393 --> 00:09:06,765 contribution strategies for GLAM-- 133 00:09:06,765 --> 00:09:12,741 it was about publication and ways about creation in itself. 134 00:09:12,787 --> 00:09:16,146 So, we need to go step by step, 135 00:09:16,146 --> 00:09:19,955 and that's why we conducted this experiment, this proof of concept. 136 00:09:20,970 --> 00:09:26,726 And, good surprise, no major obstacle to ingest library data 137 00:09:26,726 --> 00:09:30,754 according to a specific ontology, which is, while we-- 138 00:09:31,159 --> 00:09:37,781 I briefly mentioned that we put their data in two different flavors of MARC, 139 00:09:38,552 --> 00:09:42,689 then we defined some [inaudible] properties 140 00:09:42,689 --> 00:09:47,233 in order to be able to experiment with merging the data, 141 00:09:47,233 --> 00:09:52,511 and there was no major obstacle from the technical point of view. 142 00:09:53,406 --> 00:09:56,569 Of course, we came up with a confirmation 143 00:09:56,569 --> 00:10:00,425 that Wikibase does offer built-in features 144 00:10:00,425 --> 00:10:05,140 that could be used as the basis for the technical infrastructure for FNE. 145 00:10:06,319 --> 00:10:09,000 But again, the decision is not yet made, 146 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,637 because the experiment is still-- 147 00:10:12,487 --> 00:10:16,243 let's say, the developments have been completed. 148 00:10:16,650 --> 00:10:22,313 Now, we're in the phase of writing the final conclusions, 149 00:10:22,313 --> 00:10:28,774 and the decision is not yet made from the strategic point of view, 150 00:10:29,391 --> 00:10:34,468 but these are really the first findings we can talk about. 151 00:10:34,512 --> 00:10:37,954 And Wikibase-- it appears to us 152 00:10:37,954 --> 00:10:43,033 that a Wikibase might be a good operational solution 153 00:10:43,033 --> 00:10:48,571 for managing this initiative-- that is jointly, collaboratively, 154 00:10:48,571 --> 00:10:51,980 create these entity, these things, 155 00:10:53,281 --> 00:10:56,828 to remind you of the opposition, which is things and strings. 156 00:10:57,834 --> 00:11:01,113 However, we noticed there are gaps. 157 00:11:01,118 --> 00:11:05,418 Within the specific needs of our specific institutions, 158 00:11:06,146 --> 00:11:12,361 there are defined communities with their own culture, practices and, 159 00:11:14,711 --> 00:11:20,462 well, it is certain processes that are inherent to the libraries, 160 00:11:21,111 --> 00:11:25,650 and the solution offered by Wikibase, for example, the search. 161 00:11:26,542 --> 00:11:28,929 I mean, from the professional standpoint, 162 00:11:28,929 --> 00:11:31,648 not only from this end-user standpoint, 163 00:11:31,648 --> 00:11:34,575 but professional, we need some indexes 164 00:11:34,575 --> 00:11:38,925 in order to ensure data quality, data curation, 165 00:11:38,925 --> 00:11:41,197 and it is very important for the professional, 166 00:11:41,197 --> 00:11:46,406 and Wikibase with its Elasticsearch 167 00:11:46,406 --> 00:11:48,857 and CirrusSearch doesn't offer. 168 00:11:48,857 --> 00:11:51,702 But still areas of investigation there. 169 00:11:52,229 --> 00:11:54,454 The roles-- how are the roles managed? 170 00:11:54,454 --> 00:11:57,248 The bureaucrat, the patrolling of-- 171 00:11:57,248 --> 00:12:00,861 it's not exactly what happened in our world. 172 00:12:01,268 --> 00:12:04,712 Although there is a layer that can be used, 173 00:12:04,712 --> 00:12:11,132 upon which we can build other roles that are more in compliance 174 00:12:11,132 --> 00:12:14,876 with our way of managing the data. 175 00:12:15,649 --> 00:12:20,437 Or different constraints, constraints related to data publication, 176 00:12:20,842 --> 00:12:26,005 or data-- there's an error there we need to correct. 177 00:12:26,655 --> 00:12:29,096 Data policy-- okay, thank you. 178 00:12:29,702 --> 00:12:32,710 So, there are things that need to be-- 179 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,574 other layers, bricks, need to be built upon Wikibase. 180 00:12:39,141 --> 00:12:42,873 And of course, one of the reasons, the major reasons, 181 00:12:42,873 --> 00:12:45,222 the reason why we are here with you, 182 00:12:45,222 --> 00:12:50,450 is that we-- we are willing, and we feel the necessity 183 00:12:50,450 --> 00:12:54,349 to be part of a community sharing the same concerns. 184 00:12:54,358 --> 00:12:59,267 And we all know, given the program, 185 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,554 that libraries and GLAMs 186 00:13:01,554 --> 00:13:05,084 are heavily represented in this event. 187 00:13:05,896 --> 00:13:11,772 So, I think-- we think that maybe 188 00:13:11,772 --> 00:13:14,206 in a couple of weeks, 189 00:13:14,206 --> 00:13:19,082 or next year, we will able to communicate more openly 190 00:13:19,082 --> 00:13:23,717 on our decision to go forward with this solution. 191 00:13:24,404 --> 00:13:26,163 Thank you. 192 00:13:26,163 --> 00:13:27,748 Thank you so much. 193 00:13:27,748 --> 00:13:31,155 (applause) 194 00:13:31,155 --> 00:13:33,547 So, we will have short presentations first, 195 00:13:33,547 --> 00:13:35,092 and we will all return on stage 196 00:13:35,092 --> 00:13:37,646 for questions, if we have the time for that. 197 00:13:38,296 --> 00:13:41,251 But yeah, we heard something from France. 198 00:13:42,757 --> 00:13:44,301 There's another project. 199 00:13:45,086 --> 00:13:47,980 It's not Fichier National d'Ent-- 200 00:13:47,980 --> 00:13:50,031 (jokingly struggles with name) 201 00:13:50,031 --> 00:13:51,545 But it's Gemeinsame Normdatei, 202 00:13:52,937 --> 00:13:56,767 the universal authority file 203 00:13:56,767 --> 00:13:58,224 for the German-speaking world. 204 00:13:58,224 --> 00:14:03,747 And I'm so happy to have good friends of the Wikimedia movement here. 205 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:09,436 Barbara Fischer and Sarah Hartmann. 206 00:14:11,831 --> 00:14:15,208 Thanks alot for the invitation to talk about our project, 207 00:14:15,212 --> 00:14:18,006 which is called GND meets Wikibase. 208 00:14:18,694 --> 00:14:21,645 And it's a joint project of Wikimedia Deutschland, 209 00:14:21,645 --> 00:14:23,468 and the GND. 210 00:14:23,745 --> 00:14:25,707 And we'd like to give you a quick overview, 211 00:14:25,707 --> 00:14:28,781 as Jens said before, there are just 10 minutes. 212 00:14:29,971 --> 00:14:33,138 Why we go for that approach to evaluate Wikibase, 213 00:14:33,138 --> 00:14:37,153 if it fulfills the requirements for managing authority data 214 00:14:37,153 --> 00:14:40,434 on a collaborative level, I would say. 215 00:14:42,258 --> 00:14:45,660 So, where do we come from, and what's the idea of authority control? 216 00:14:45,660 --> 00:14:49,927 And GND, which stands for Gemeinsame Normdatei, 217 00:14:50,837 --> 00:14:51,838 what's the idea of it? 218 00:14:51,838 --> 00:14:55,623 And yeah, where do we come from, as I said before. 219 00:14:55,623 --> 00:14:59,307 It's not that different from what Anila and Ben said, 220 00:15:00,007 --> 00:15:01,649 just a few seconds ago. 221 00:15:02,765 --> 00:15:06,003 The GND is used for the description of resources, 222 00:15:06,003 --> 00:15:09,726 such as publications, and objects, for example, 223 00:15:09,726 --> 00:15:14,168 and in order to enable accurate data retrieval, 224 00:15:14,168 --> 00:15:19,080 I would say, the GND provides unambiguous and distinct entities 225 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,390 for that retrieval. 226 00:15:21,837 --> 00:15:25,328 And so, there are persistent identifiers, as well, as you all know, 227 00:15:25,328 --> 00:15:28,654 for identification and reference for these entities. 228 00:15:30,968 --> 00:15:33,972 The authority file is used by mainly libraries, 229 00:15:35,075 --> 00:15:37,955 we would say, in the German-speaking countries, 230 00:15:37,955 --> 00:15:41,477 but a few other institutions from the cultural heritage domain, 231 00:15:41,477 --> 00:15:45,497 are using the authority file already. 232 00:15:46,228 --> 00:15:52,567 And all in all there are around about 60 million records, 233 00:15:52,774 --> 00:15:55,242 and in Wikibase, we would say "items," 234 00:15:55,242 --> 00:15:58,037 which refer to persons, names of persons, 235 00:15:58,037 --> 00:16:01,475 corporate bodies, for example, geographic names, and works. 236 00:16:01,768 --> 00:16:06,522 And the GND is run cooperatively by so-called GND agencies, 237 00:16:06,583 --> 00:16:11,212 and at the moment, there are around about 1,000 institutions 238 00:16:11,212 --> 00:16:15,443 who are active users of the GND-- that means they establish new records 239 00:16:15,443 --> 00:16:19,999 and added records or items on a regular basis. 240 00:16:20,745 --> 00:16:24,204 And the most important thing, I would say, 241 00:16:24,204 --> 00:16:27,848 is that the GND data is provided free of charge 242 00:16:27,848 --> 00:16:29,520 under CC0 conditions, 243 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,313 and that all the APIs and documentation is open as well. 244 00:16:34,532 --> 00:16:37,077 Yeah, talking about open-- 245 00:16:38,129 --> 00:16:41,613 that's the point, and the crucial one here-- 246 00:16:41,613 --> 00:16:45,235 at the moment, we challenge to open up the GND 247 00:16:45,235 --> 00:16:51,400 for other GLAM institutions and institutions from the science domain. 248 00:16:52,212 --> 00:16:55,972 At the moment, it's really focused on the library sector. 249 00:16:56,715 --> 00:17:00,243 That means that the handy tool of librarians has to evolve 250 00:17:01,223 --> 00:17:06,241 into a tool that is used and accepted across domains. 251 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:10,144 And that means a lot of work on organizational stuff, 252 00:17:10,144 --> 00:17:15,011 community building, discussions about the current data model, 253 00:17:15,011 --> 00:17:17,930 and infrastructural and technical issues. 254 00:17:17,945 --> 00:17:19,527 And, yeah. 255 00:17:20,581 --> 00:17:22,966 Talking about the infrastructural issues, 256 00:17:23,806 --> 00:17:29,165 we came up with the idea to become partners in crime 257 00:17:29,596 --> 00:17:34,704 with Wikibase, I would say, so have slightly the same aims, 258 00:17:34,704 --> 00:17:40,092 namely make cultural data more accessible and interoperable. 259 00:17:40,661 --> 00:17:44,964 And therefore we now evaluate the software, 260 00:17:44,964 --> 00:17:49,581 which was originally conceived for a sole application, Wikidata, 261 00:17:49,581 --> 00:17:53,311 if it's sufficient for managing authority data. 262 00:17:58,084 --> 00:18:00,917 Right-- hi from my side as well. 263 00:18:00,917 --> 00:18:05,701 We're focusing in our evaluation [inaudible] we do commonly 264 00:18:05,701 --> 00:18:07,450 with Wikimedia Deutschland. 265 00:18:08,220 --> 00:18:11,269 First of all, if Wikibase meets the requirements 266 00:18:11,269 --> 00:18:15,224 of GLAM institutions, galleries, libraries, archives, and museums, 267 00:18:15,224 --> 00:18:18,467 to drive collaboratively an authority file, 268 00:18:18,467 --> 00:18:20,698 which is like our basic question. 269 00:18:21,748 --> 00:18:25,981 We also would like to see Wikibase to increase usability 270 00:18:25,981 --> 00:18:29,312 as the software system we're using right now 271 00:18:29,312 --> 00:18:32,885 is, let's say, quite a complex software 272 00:18:32,885 --> 00:18:37,361 that is not as handy as you might like it to be. 273 00:18:39,074 --> 00:18:41,828 Well, and then, we would like to know 274 00:18:41,828 --> 00:18:45,914 if Wikibase would also ease both data linking 275 00:18:45,914 --> 00:18:48,710 and growing a diverse community. 276 00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:52,429 As Sarah said before, we are right now in a process of opening up 277 00:18:52,429 --> 00:18:58,356 towards a broader scope of GLAM institutions, 278 00:18:58,356 --> 00:19:00,425 and science institutions. 279 00:19:00,425 --> 00:19:06,152 And of course, they are working within their own software structures, 280 00:19:06,152 --> 00:19:09,231 and we would like to know if Wikibase would ease 281 00:19:09,231 --> 00:19:12,190 the cooperation-- collaboration with us. 282 00:19:12,678 --> 00:19:15,390 So, why do we do that? 283 00:19:15,634 --> 00:19:19,200 This is because we consider that Wikibase 284 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,239 might be the attractive community zone, 285 00:19:22,239 --> 00:19:25,596 which means--I had to write that down-- 286 00:19:26,807 --> 00:19:30,607 first of all, as it is open source, it will be more accessible 287 00:19:30,607 --> 00:19:35,285 than any proprietary source software system that is used 288 00:19:35,285 --> 00:19:39,421 in the cataloging fields of the GLAM institutions. 289 00:19:40,002 --> 00:19:43,114 Then, we feel that the Wikibase community 290 00:19:43,114 --> 00:19:46,354 already by now is a very dedicated community, 291 00:19:46,354 --> 00:19:50,163 and we would like to participate in that dedicated community, 292 00:19:50,446 --> 00:19:53,447 because we believe that sharing is caring. 293 00:19:53,771 --> 00:19:59,102 What we want to share is our knowledge is your knowledge, 294 00:19:59,144 --> 00:20:02,557 and together, in order to omit redundance, 295 00:20:02,557 --> 00:20:07,393 not by editing the same information over and over again, 296 00:20:07,393 --> 00:20:09,373 but reuse data, link it, 297 00:20:09,373 --> 00:20:11,559 quoting it, and enriching it. 298 00:20:12,609 --> 00:20:17,474 And I placed here on the picture one of the tools 299 00:20:17,474 --> 00:20:22,802 that is broadly spread within Wikidata, this Histropedia, 300 00:20:23,332 --> 00:20:29,061 because we also feel that if we are able to introduce our data into Wikibase, 301 00:20:29,061 --> 00:20:34,159 we might be able to share tools, improving the code, 302 00:20:34,159 --> 00:20:38,181 and thus being an active, contributing part of the community. 303 00:20:38,232 --> 00:20:40,030 Thank you. 304 00:20:40,030 --> 00:20:42,671 I'd like to debate that with you later on. 305 00:20:43,319 --> 00:20:44,775 Thank you so much. 306 00:20:44,775 --> 00:20:46,354 (applause) 307 00:20:46,354 --> 00:20:47,938 Thank you so much. 308 00:20:49,885 --> 00:20:53,874 So, at some point, we ask ourselves, did we-- 309 00:20:56,996 --> 00:20:59,868 by accident, write a library software? 310 00:20:59,913 --> 00:21:05,216 Because the adoption of Wikibase in the library fields is so overwhelming. 311 00:21:06,434 --> 00:21:08,012 But there's more to it. 312 00:21:09,023 --> 00:21:13,903 And of course, we didn't accidentally write a library system. 313 00:21:14,353 --> 00:21:17,764 It can be used for other fields as well. 314 00:21:18,296 --> 00:21:19,878 For instance, for biology. 315 00:21:19,878 --> 00:21:23,363 And David Fichtmueller will tell us about using Wikibase 316 00:21:23,363 --> 00:21:25,835 as a platform for biodiversity. 317 00:21:26,770 --> 00:21:29,449 - I think that was grayed. - Yeah. 318 00:21:29,449 --> 00:21:31,835 Full screen? Oh, okay. 319 00:21:37,603 --> 00:21:39,758 Yes. Hello, everybody. 320 00:21:40,819 --> 00:21:43,383 I'm David, and I work at the Botanic Garden, 321 00:21:43,383 --> 00:21:45,214 Botanical Museum here in Berlin. 322 00:21:45,988 --> 00:21:48,065 And I work there as a computer scientist. 323 00:21:48,065 --> 00:21:51,194 We have an entire department called Biodiversity Informatics. 324 00:21:51,884 --> 00:21:53,633 Generally speaking, we write the software 325 00:21:53,633 --> 00:21:55,858 that biologists use in their daily work. 326 00:21:56,430 --> 00:21:58,932 And on my private side, 327 00:21:58,932 --> 00:22:02,639 I've been a Wikipedia contributor for almost 15 years now, 328 00:22:02,639 --> 00:22:06,045 and Wikidata contributor for almost five years now. 329 00:22:06,981 --> 00:22:09,425 And also, as part of my job, 330 00:22:09,425 --> 00:22:12,068 I'm a co-administrator of a MediaWiki farm 331 00:22:12,068 --> 00:22:16,684 with more than 80 wikis regarding the biology community. 332 00:22:18,855 --> 00:22:22,116 And a couple of years ago, I was assigned to a project 333 00:22:22,556 --> 00:22:26,670 that was, yeah, about working on a standard. 334 00:22:26,735 --> 00:22:29,524 In particular, it's a standard called ABCD, 335 00:22:30,827 --> 00:22:33,135 that we needed to do some work on. 336 00:22:33,405 --> 00:22:37,295 And I assume most of you haven't heard about ABCD, 337 00:22:37,295 --> 00:22:39,728 that's not really a bad thing. 338 00:22:39,728 --> 00:22:41,279 It's really specific. 339 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:44,128 It stands for Access to Biological Collection Data. 340 00:22:44,863 --> 00:22:47,292 And it's an XML schema. 341 00:22:47,298 --> 00:22:49,772 So, it can express biological information, 342 00:22:49,772 --> 00:22:54,190 particular things like information about herbarium sheets, 343 00:22:54,190 --> 00:22:59,920 about collections, like fish in alcohol jars, or-- 344 00:23:01,111 --> 00:23:02,449 but also observations-- 345 00:23:02,449 --> 00:23:05,165 scientists being out in the field, seeing certain plants, 346 00:23:05,165 --> 00:23:06,543 seeing certain animals. 347 00:23:06,543 --> 00:23:08,970 A lot of variety in here, and because of this, 348 00:23:08,970 --> 00:23:10,426 it's quite a huge standard. 349 00:23:10,426 --> 00:23:13,940 So, we have 1,800 different concepts in there. 350 00:23:14,748 --> 00:23:18,322 That's counting the different XPaths there are within the file. 351 00:23:20,055 --> 00:23:22,302 And so the challenge was to convert this 352 00:23:22,302 --> 00:23:25,234 into a new modern semantic standard. 353 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,271 We wanted to use an OWL ontology 354 00:23:27,271 --> 00:23:31,200 that is able to express the same kind of information 355 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,951 that has previously been expressed with the XML files, 356 00:23:35,245 --> 00:23:38,361 and also keep all the existing documentation, 357 00:23:38,361 --> 00:23:41,122 and restrictions, and all of the connections 358 00:23:41,122 --> 00:23:42,989 between the items 359 00:23:42,989 --> 00:23:46,357 and have a collaborative platform 360 00:23:46,357 --> 00:23:50,284 where other scientists can come in and give us advice 361 00:23:50,284 --> 00:23:52,914 on their specific fields of focus. 362 00:23:52,914 --> 00:23:54,780 Did we model this correctly? 363 00:23:55,266 --> 00:23:56,596 Is there anything missing? 364 00:23:56,596 --> 00:24:00,528 So, yeah, with all of this in mind, we went looking around, 365 00:24:00,528 --> 00:24:03,675 and found a solution, and I guess it wouldn't surprise anybody here, 366 00:24:03,675 --> 00:24:06,752 it's Wikibase, otherwise I wouldn't have been talking here. 367 00:24:08,171 --> 00:24:10,779 So, we decided on using Wikibase. 368 00:24:11,266 --> 00:24:14,356 And we started to install it without the Docker Image. 369 00:24:15,165 --> 00:24:17,171 Big mistake. Don't do this. 370 00:24:17,171 --> 00:24:18,171 (laughter) 371 00:24:18,171 --> 00:24:21,335 In our defense, we started this two and a half years ago. 372 00:24:21,616 --> 00:24:24,167 And it was two years ago at the WikidataCon 373 00:24:24,167 --> 00:24:26,088 that the Docker Image was first released. 374 00:24:26,898 --> 00:24:29,828 So, we had to figure out our own way. 375 00:24:29,828 --> 00:24:32,265 And once we had things up and running, 376 00:24:32,265 --> 00:24:35,259 we didn't really want to break changing things. 377 00:24:35,259 --> 00:24:39,801 We do have the Docker installed for the Query Service, 378 00:24:40,275 --> 00:24:43,322 and we have a weird, hybrid of custom installation 379 00:24:43,322 --> 00:24:46,004 and Docker installation and modified scripts 380 00:24:46,004 --> 00:24:48,542 connecting those two instances. 381 00:24:48,542 --> 00:24:51,605 We then installed QuickStatements, again, manually, 382 00:24:51,605 --> 00:24:57,201 because by that time, it wasn't part of the Query Service, 383 00:24:57,201 --> 00:25:00,361 did some slight modifications, and adjustments to get it to work. 384 00:25:00,888 --> 00:25:05,443 I know it's now part of the Docker Image. 385 00:25:05,928 --> 00:25:10,724 But yeah, we had it running, so, we didn't bother changing it. 386 00:25:11,574 --> 00:25:13,437 Keep this in mind for later on. 387 00:25:14,164 --> 00:25:15,867 But before I go into what we did, 388 00:25:15,867 --> 00:25:18,465 I'm going to avoid a possible confusion here, 389 00:25:18,465 --> 00:25:22,280 because we're talking about data standards, 390 00:25:22,345 --> 00:25:25,273 and when we express things in a semantic way, 391 00:25:25,273 --> 00:25:30,097 we will convert the concepts from the XML into Classes and Properties. 392 00:25:30,580 --> 00:25:33,659 So, this being Object Properties connecting the different classes, 393 00:25:33,659 --> 00:25:36,663 and Datatype Properties that actually contain the content, 394 00:25:36,663 --> 00:25:40,370 that is to store text, numbers, things like that. 395 00:25:41,195 --> 00:25:44,038 And we express all of this within Wikibase, 396 00:25:44,082 --> 00:25:46,910 but all of those are items in Wikibase. 397 00:25:47,597 --> 00:25:51,446 And they are then described using Wikibase Properties. 398 00:25:51,455 --> 00:25:54,950 So, we have ABCD properties being items being described 399 00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:56,657 as Wikibase Properties. 400 00:25:56,657 --> 00:26:00,531 I try to make sure to use the prefixes accordingly, 401 00:26:00,531 --> 00:26:03,581 so you know what I'm talking about when I talk about properties 402 00:26:03,581 --> 00:26:04,820 in this talk. 403 00:26:05,746 --> 00:26:08,060 So, let's look at the properties, 404 00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:10,203 in particular, with Wikibase Properties. 405 00:26:10,215 --> 00:26:13,013 We sat down and thought, "Okay, what do we need 406 00:26:13,013 --> 00:26:16,296 to describe the concepts we want to model?" 407 00:26:16,701 --> 00:26:19,323 And we ended up using around 25 properties 408 00:26:19,833 --> 00:26:22,532 in addition to, of course, *label*, *description*, *alias*. 409 00:26:22,670 --> 00:26:24,452 I'm not going to mention all of them, 410 00:26:24,452 --> 00:26:26,314 just so you see the variety. 411 00:26:27,243 --> 00:26:29,846 Those fulfill our requirements. 412 00:26:29,846 --> 00:26:36,496 And yeah, some things express some restrictions, 413 00:26:36,496 --> 00:26:38,544 and others-- 414 00:26:38,544 --> 00:26:40,062 Most of them are optional. 415 00:26:40,697 --> 00:26:42,628 Only very few are mandatory. 416 00:26:42,921 --> 00:26:46,489 So then, we set on importing all of this information. 417 00:26:46,581 --> 00:26:51,082 We wrote a Schema Parser that extracts all of the different concepts. 418 00:26:51,082 --> 00:26:53,959 So everything that has an XPath within the XML Schema, 419 00:26:53,959 --> 00:26:57,121 and all of the documentation that is part of the XML schema, 420 00:26:57,121 --> 00:27:00,284 and so we got this into a nice CSV file, 421 00:27:00,284 --> 00:27:04,862 and then we could work on this and import it using QuickStatements. 422 00:27:05,918 --> 00:27:07,176 Worked quite well. 423 00:27:07,176 --> 00:27:11,157 But then, we had, as I said, 1,800-plus concepts 424 00:27:11,157 --> 00:27:13,272 in our Wikibase instance. 425 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,252 But then, when we had things like person-- 426 00:27:17,821 --> 00:27:20,366 person name, and contact email-- 427 00:27:20,366 --> 00:27:23,485 those appear a couple of times within the schema-- 428 00:27:23,485 --> 00:27:27,157 for the data set owner, for the person who took an image, things like that. 429 00:27:27,157 --> 00:27:29,180 So, of course, we needed to reduce those, 430 00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:32,013 and combine those to reusable classes. 431 00:27:32,064 --> 00:27:34,858 So, there was a lot of manual editing 432 00:27:34,858 --> 00:27:36,319 to reduce the number of concepts, 433 00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:39,558 and in the end, we ended up with a little more than 500. 434 00:27:39,965 --> 00:27:43,540 So, we have Classes, Object Properties, Datatype Properties, 435 00:27:43,540 --> 00:27:45,362 a couple of other ones I'm skipping 436 00:27:45,362 --> 00:27:47,392 to avoid additional complexity here. 437 00:27:48,362 --> 00:27:52,856 And for certain large-scale edits, we also used QuickStatements again. 438 00:27:54,686 --> 00:27:57,312 So now, we did all of the editing, 439 00:27:57,312 --> 00:27:59,476 now we wanted to make sure that the data we have 440 00:27:59,476 --> 00:28:00,775 is actually consistent. 441 00:28:01,101 --> 00:28:04,922 So, that's where we used what we call Maintenance Queries, 442 00:28:06,252 --> 00:28:09,570 used the query interface with some SPARQL queries, 443 00:28:09,570 --> 00:28:12,114 basically to check for missing properties, 444 00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:15,324 wrong links between concepts, 445 00:28:16,338 --> 00:28:18,761 basically, things that didn't match 446 00:28:18,761 --> 00:28:21,112 with our concept, with our structure. 447 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,356 And in the end, we also had to do 448 00:28:24,356 --> 00:28:26,007 a manual review of all of the concepts 449 00:28:26,007 --> 00:28:27,875 just to make sure we didn't miss anything. 450 00:28:27,875 --> 00:28:29,986 This was kind of a lot of work, 451 00:28:29,986 --> 00:28:33,882 because if you only take like five minutes per item, 452 00:28:33,992 --> 00:28:35,771 multiply it by 550, 453 00:28:36,781 --> 00:28:39,855 it's over one week of full and concentrated work. 454 00:28:40,667 --> 00:28:42,732 But of course, we don't need five minutes, 455 00:28:42,732 --> 00:28:45,977 because you sometimes spend like half an hour to fix a certain item 456 00:28:45,977 --> 00:28:48,294 when there's problems with the modeling. 457 00:28:48,985 --> 00:28:50,895 So, we now had all of the data. 458 00:28:50,895 --> 00:28:53,058 Now, it was time to get the data out of Wikibase. 459 00:28:54,175 --> 00:28:58,236 We wrote an export script in Python that uses the Query Service 460 00:28:58,236 --> 00:29:01,088 to get the information about the concepts, 461 00:29:01,088 --> 00:29:04,706 and fill them in templates-- prepared templates. 462 00:29:05,234 --> 00:29:07,916 So, in the end, we get a nice valid OWL file 463 00:29:07,916 --> 00:29:09,787 that contains everything we need. 464 00:29:09,833 --> 00:29:12,788 And this is the actual basis of the standard. 465 00:29:12,916 --> 00:29:17,380 For future versions, when we're going to make revisions, 466 00:29:17,380 --> 00:29:19,651 the Wikibase is our working platform. 467 00:29:19,651 --> 00:29:22,697 And once we do an export, this is the new version of the standard. 468 00:29:22,750 --> 00:29:25,102 Keeping those separate, this would also allow us 469 00:29:25,102 --> 00:29:29,116 to move the server to a different instance, 470 00:29:29,116 --> 00:29:32,796 or as I said, change the installation. 471 00:29:32,887 --> 00:29:35,963 We export JSON for the documentation of the website. 472 00:29:36,771 --> 00:29:40,962 And we also export the data to a second Wikibase instance. 473 00:29:41,409 --> 00:29:43,196 This is like really experimental, right now. 474 00:29:43,196 --> 00:29:46,682 We haven't really used this in production where it can-- 475 00:29:46,682 --> 00:29:49,483 where the concepts can then be used to describe actual data. 476 00:29:49,483 --> 00:29:51,422 So we're breaking down those-- 477 00:29:52,189 --> 00:29:56,402 we're taking them a step down from properties being Wikibase items, 478 00:29:56,407 --> 00:29:59,318 and converting them into actual Wikibase properties. 479 00:29:59,761 --> 00:30:02,522 This is quite a lot of requests-- quite a lot of steps 480 00:30:02,522 --> 00:30:05,203 to keep all of the data and all of the linking consistent, 481 00:30:05,203 --> 00:30:06,669 but it works. 482 00:30:06,669 --> 00:30:08,865 And in the end, well, it was quite successful. 483 00:30:09,705 --> 00:30:11,703 There is a huge community-- 484 00:30:11,949 --> 00:30:14,909 there is a community about Biodiversity Information Standards, 485 00:30:14,909 --> 00:30:18,449 who also had their annual meeting just in the past days. 486 00:30:18,729 --> 00:30:21,589 So, there's a huge interest in reusing this approach 487 00:30:21,604 --> 00:30:23,385 for other standards, as well. 488 00:30:23,524 --> 00:30:25,183 And so, in the future, 489 00:30:25,183 --> 00:30:28,257 we want to try a bit about Shape Expressions-- 490 00:30:28,257 --> 00:30:31,110 as I said, we have some restrictions in there to export them-- 491 00:30:31,754 --> 00:30:35,160 and build some better workflows for the versioning. 492 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,873 We haven't done this yet. 493 00:30:36,919 --> 00:30:38,908 And switch up the Docker instance. 494 00:30:39,398 --> 00:30:41,676 So, at the end, I'm gong to have a small wish list-- 495 00:30:41,676 --> 00:30:43,335 what things could be improved. 496 00:30:43,335 --> 00:30:47,096 Well, there are a lot more tools out there that are really written 497 00:30:47,096 --> 00:30:50,320 for Wikidata, but could be more agnostic, 498 00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:53,218 in particular, QuickStatements. 499 00:30:53,218 --> 00:30:56,658 As I said, I did some adjustments manually. 500 00:30:56,707 --> 00:30:59,899 Many of the issues I had are probably solved by now, 501 00:30:59,899 --> 00:31:01,679 but I don't think all of them. 502 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,581 Then we want to import existing templates, 503 00:31:06,581 --> 00:31:09,288 or the SPARQL template, the Q and the P template. 504 00:31:09,288 --> 00:31:12,203 They are really useful when working with Wikibase. 505 00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:14,599 So, this would be done automatically. 506 00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:17,111 And as I said, we did a lot of manual editing. 507 00:31:17,111 --> 00:31:20,769 So, it would be useful, just ideal to have a tool where you can-- 508 00:31:20,769 --> 00:31:22,393 Like in an Excel table-- 509 00:31:22,393 --> 00:31:25,551 you load a couple of items, and you load a couple of properties, 510 00:31:25,551 --> 00:31:27,619 and then just jump from cell to cell, 511 00:31:27,619 --> 00:31:31,662 really quickly edit a lot of things 512 00:31:31,662 --> 00:31:33,423 in a semi-automated way. 513 00:31:34,985 --> 00:31:36,390 Thanks. That's the end. 514 00:31:37,093 --> 00:31:38,481 Thank you so much. 515 00:31:38,481 --> 00:31:40,795 (applause) 516 00:31:40,795 --> 00:31:42,659 So much to talk about on this. 517 00:31:43,273 --> 00:31:48,254 So, there is not only-- well, how do I get back from here. 518 00:31:50,917 --> 00:31:54,004 It's not only about science. It's not only about libraries. 519 00:31:54,004 --> 00:31:57,181 You can also create art and beauty with Wikibase. 520 00:31:57,181 --> 00:32:01,611 And who would be better to tell us about this than Stuart Prior. 521 00:32:12,056 --> 00:32:15,268 Now, slightly embarrassingly, we talk about art and beauty, 522 00:32:15,268 --> 00:32:17,296 but this is a really ugly presentation. 523 00:32:17,296 --> 00:32:18,554 (laughter) 524 00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:22,552 Starting off with a room full of Wikimedians, 525 00:32:22,552 --> 00:32:24,261 trains--people like trains. 526 00:32:24,956 --> 00:32:26,465 But it has a purpose. 527 00:32:26,465 --> 00:32:30,538 So, this is Hackney Downs Station in Northeast London. 528 00:32:31,429 --> 00:32:34,104 And this is about Banner Repeater and Wikibase, 529 00:32:34,104 --> 00:32:35,968 which I'll explain further. 530 00:32:36,014 --> 00:32:37,829 So, this is a terrible photo. 531 00:32:37,829 --> 00:32:43,405 But it is actually where an artists' publishing archive is held, 532 00:32:43,512 --> 00:32:46,140 which is on the platform of a train station. 533 00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:50,688 Within there, they've got several hundred copies 534 00:32:50,688 --> 00:32:52,886 of various types of artists' publishing. 535 00:32:52,886 --> 00:32:54,389 They get a lot of public footfall. 536 00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:57,132 It does a lot of outreach to actual general public. 537 00:32:57,132 --> 00:32:58,386 Like you get on the train, 538 00:32:58,386 --> 00:33:01,758 you'll find bits of sort of obscure art on the train. 539 00:33:02,856 --> 00:33:04,888 So, it's a really interesting project, 540 00:33:04,934 --> 00:33:06,924 but part of a much wider community. 541 00:33:07,452 --> 00:33:10,374 So, what is Artists' Publishing? What are Artists' Books? 542 00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:12,087 Like, I didn't know either. 543 00:33:13,545 --> 00:33:15,329 So, the definition, according to Wikipedia, 544 00:33:15,329 --> 00:33:19,377 is "Artists' books are works of art that utilize the form of the book." 545 00:33:19,377 --> 00:33:20,956 Well, you can read it. 546 00:33:21,569 --> 00:33:24,130 But it's individual pieces of art, 547 00:33:24,130 --> 00:33:28,257 or sometimes collections of art, using publishing as a medium. 548 00:33:28,583 --> 00:33:31,141 This varies quite a lot. It's very interesting. 549 00:33:31,141 --> 00:33:32,560 It was kind of-- 550 00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:35,043 There was a lot of it in the early '20s and '30s, 551 00:33:35,043 --> 00:33:37,793 and it had a bit of a renaissance, '60s and 70's, 552 00:33:37,793 --> 00:33:39,411 and continues to expand. 553 00:33:39,491 --> 00:33:42,237 Has a large global community, multilingual, 554 00:33:43,089 --> 00:33:47,748 somewhat separate from large institutional art institutions. 555 00:33:47,805 --> 00:33:50,448 So, you'll find collections, 556 00:33:50,448 --> 00:33:53,616 such as the V&A has a collection, obviously. 557 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,483 So, they've got various kind of items such as these. 558 00:33:59,294 --> 00:34:02,045 This is just an article, so it's just not the best display. 559 00:34:03,098 --> 00:34:08,009 But it's a really kind of interesting, yet slightly niche field of work. 560 00:34:08,661 --> 00:34:11,674 But it's not very good on Wikidata. 561 00:34:14,023 --> 00:34:18,245 This is, again, a really terrible photo-- it's not my photo-- 562 00:34:18,245 --> 00:34:21,488 of some the stuff held in Banner Repeater's archive. 563 00:34:21,488 --> 00:34:24,086 If you see in the middle, the pink one, *Blast*, 564 00:34:24,086 --> 00:34:27,802 that's actually a fairly notable piece of artists' publishing 565 00:34:27,802 --> 00:34:29,548 from the '20s. 566 00:34:31,168 --> 00:34:32,838 What does it look like on Wikidata? 567 00:34:32,838 --> 00:34:34,341 It's not good on Wikidata. 568 00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:37,782 It's often just confused with books 569 00:34:37,782 --> 00:34:39,803 or other forms of publishing. 570 00:34:40,292 --> 00:34:42,724 The average kind of Wikidata item for 571 00:34:42,728 --> 00:34:46,374 a notable piece of artists' publishing 572 00:34:47,145 --> 00:34:50,512 doesn't really have much to say about it. 573 00:34:50,568 --> 00:34:53,738 You know, it's just-- there you go, that's it. 574 00:34:54,832 --> 00:34:57,429 There's not a huge amount of identifier numbers as well. 575 00:34:57,781 --> 00:35:00,782 So, there's clearly a lot missing 576 00:35:00,782 --> 00:35:03,710 when it comes to artists' publishing, 577 00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:06,840 certainly compared to more traditional forms of art-- 578 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,073 paintings and sculpture and so forth. 579 00:35:09,722 --> 00:35:12,681 And there's a huge desire within the community 580 00:35:12,681 --> 00:35:15,631 to start codifying this, and making it a real thing. 581 00:35:16,566 --> 00:35:19,283 So, I'll give you an example of what is actually available. 582 00:35:19,283 --> 00:35:22,202 You can point out what's wrong with this query. 583 00:35:23,542 --> 00:35:28,173 So, this is basically all there is. 584 00:35:28,702 --> 00:35:31,507 That's every artists' book on Wikidata. 585 00:35:31,552 --> 00:35:33,049 So, there's really not a lot. 586 00:35:33,049 --> 00:35:36,322 Some of them don't even have labels for a start. 587 00:35:36,322 --> 00:35:38,632 And it's something that really needs expanding. 588 00:35:38,632 --> 00:35:41,099 And something that has capacity to be expanded. 589 00:35:41,148 --> 00:35:43,416 Has anyone seen what's wrong with this query yet? 590 00:35:45,164 --> 00:35:47,317 The labels-- the labels say "sausage", 591 00:35:48,172 --> 00:35:50,814 because I just stole someone else's query, 592 00:35:50,814 --> 00:35:52,212 and changed the key number. 593 00:35:52,212 --> 00:35:53,342 (laughter) 594 00:35:53,342 --> 00:35:55,264 It's actually a query about sausages. 595 00:35:55,877 --> 00:35:57,541 Anyway, moving on. 596 00:35:57,827 --> 00:36:00,475 But yeah, you see it doesn't really have much of a presence. 597 00:36:01,122 --> 00:36:04,163 We were approached by Banner Repeater. 598 00:36:05,378 --> 00:36:07,281 So, I work with Wikimedia UK. 599 00:36:07,281 --> 00:36:10,275 We were approached by Banner Repeater to help them with this-- 600 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,416 with setting up a Wikibase-- 601 00:36:13,182 --> 00:36:15,812 in terms of funding, in getting extra funding, 602 00:36:15,812 --> 00:36:18,293 but also in terms of bringing in a wider community, 603 00:36:18,293 --> 00:36:20,152 and being part of the process. 604 00:36:20,561 --> 00:36:23,886 So, the process is basically to gather this community 605 00:36:23,886 --> 00:36:27,364 of artists, archivists, and linked data experts, 606 00:36:28,554 --> 00:36:31,607 and work out what the schema, the data model, 607 00:36:31,607 --> 00:36:33,872 for artists' publishing should be. 608 00:36:33,929 --> 00:36:35,588 It's a very specialized field. 609 00:36:35,953 --> 00:36:38,147 Doesn't really map onto Wikidata perfectly. 610 00:36:38,392 --> 00:36:40,793 It's probably too granular for it. 611 00:36:41,684 --> 00:36:44,485 And the other thing is the kind of flexibility of it. 612 00:36:44,577 --> 00:36:46,639 Maybe it doesn't really fit in Wikidata. 613 00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:50,090 Maybe it's too rigid at the moment. 614 00:36:50,090 --> 00:36:52,796 The Wikibase is being built, 615 00:36:52,796 --> 00:36:55,639 so I haven't got much to show you, because it's not been built yet, 616 00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:57,149 but this more about the process. 617 00:36:57,343 --> 00:37:00,591 And the process is extensive community consultation, 618 00:37:00,678 --> 00:37:02,136 a few kind of layers of it. 619 00:37:02,136 --> 00:37:04,563 So, we're not just going to do this in one session. 620 00:37:04,563 --> 00:37:06,146 It's not a few individuals deciding. 621 00:37:06,146 --> 00:37:08,296 It's kind of ongoing, and ongoing, and ongoing. 622 00:37:09,352 --> 00:37:13,244 The impact of this could be fairly substantial, 623 00:37:13,244 --> 00:37:15,145 because no one else is doing this work. 624 00:37:15,145 --> 00:37:18,593 A lot of the larger institutions have artists' publishing 625 00:37:18,593 --> 00:37:20,270 sitting in their kind of back room. 626 00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:22,163 They don't really know how to categorize it. 627 00:37:22,163 --> 00:37:23,744 They haven't categorized it very well. 628 00:37:23,793 --> 00:37:25,899 They're not very interested in it. 629 00:37:25,899 --> 00:37:29,104 But there is a huge community that is interested in doing this. 630 00:37:30,527 --> 00:37:34,012 So, this is basically the process at the moment. 631 00:37:34,502 --> 00:37:36,936 So, the initial workshop has happened. 632 00:37:36,936 --> 00:37:40,228 So, it was an expert workshop with some people 633 00:37:40,228 --> 00:37:43,644 deep in the field of artists' publishing-- 634 00:37:43,644 --> 00:37:45,959 archivists, people who own collections, and so forth-- 635 00:37:46,002 --> 00:37:48,962 to establish a kind of basic set of priors, 636 00:37:49,407 --> 00:37:52,080 to look at what things were existing. 637 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,677 The existing status was on Wikidata, 638 00:37:54,677 --> 00:37:57,134 and look at how that could be expanded or improved. 639 00:37:57,665 --> 00:38:00,503 And then they documented that, 640 00:38:00,503 --> 00:38:03,605 and established this basic structure. 641 00:38:04,135 --> 00:38:05,759 And now, we move into the next process 642 00:38:05,759 --> 00:38:07,630 where it's bringing in a much wider community. 643 00:38:07,721 --> 00:38:11,087 So that's-- it's not just data people, it's creators, as well. 644 00:38:11,656 --> 00:38:13,237 There'll be a lot of narrative in this, 645 00:38:13,237 --> 00:38:15,140 and a lot of qualitative things. 646 00:38:15,140 --> 00:38:18,093 Again, stuff that just doesn't really belong on Wikidata. 647 00:38:18,933 --> 00:38:20,966 But also working with archivists, 648 00:38:20,966 --> 00:38:24,045 and working with linked data experts, and so forth, 649 00:38:24,045 --> 00:38:26,322 to hopefully bring this all together, 650 00:38:26,322 --> 00:38:29,979 to create a resource that will have a nice accessible front end, 651 00:38:29,979 --> 00:38:33,241 and also build this community-- people who can contribute to it, 652 00:38:33,241 --> 00:38:35,631 and kind of own this data set. 653 00:38:36,318 --> 00:38:38,505 I'll show you what we've got ready. 654 00:38:40,687 --> 00:38:44,205 This is subject to change. 655 00:38:44,815 --> 00:38:47,494 But this is basically kind of where we've got so far 656 00:38:47,494 --> 00:38:48,612 with the expert ones. 657 00:38:48,612 --> 00:38:51,968 So, you see different P numbers being developed, 658 00:38:51,968 --> 00:38:54,891 and look at what their equivalent on Wikidata is. 659 00:38:55,428 --> 00:38:58,472 And obviously, it's a lot more granular 660 00:38:58,472 --> 00:39:01,394 than probably the information on Wikidata is at the moment, so-- 661 00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:06,599 There's a lot of detailed stuff, so there's qualities 662 00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,063 such as height, width, thickness, and so forth, 663 00:39:09,763 --> 00:39:12,135 which aren't necessarily that present 664 00:39:12,135 --> 00:39:14,981 on other groups of artists' publishing on Wikidata. 665 00:39:15,453 --> 00:39:19,946 But there's also other things like "commissioned by", and "contributors to", 666 00:39:19,946 --> 00:39:22,573 and a lot of these works will have multiple contributors. 667 00:39:23,262 --> 00:39:25,526 And multiple editions and things like that. 668 00:39:25,526 --> 00:39:27,432 There's really a lot of granular information 669 00:39:27,432 --> 00:39:29,049 that can come about these things. 670 00:39:29,049 --> 00:39:30,844 And a lot of narrative as well, you know, 671 00:39:31,571 --> 00:39:32,953 as things have changed over time, 672 00:39:32,953 --> 00:39:34,741 as people have reinterpreted things. 673 00:39:35,566 --> 00:39:38,288 And this was what was created. 674 00:39:39,605 --> 00:39:42,633 Again, most of it has Wikidata equivalents, 675 00:39:42,633 --> 00:39:44,063 but some of it doesn't yet. 676 00:39:44,063 --> 00:39:46,748 So, what do we have here. 677 00:39:48,203 --> 00:39:50,395 Other editions, and things like that. 678 00:39:50,395 --> 00:39:51,813 So, it's fairly specialized. 679 00:39:51,813 --> 00:39:52,929 This is the first stage. 680 00:39:52,929 --> 00:39:54,643 And this will go through another process, 681 00:39:54,643 --> 00:39:57,237 as people take things away from it or contribute, too. 682 00:39:58,180 --> 00:40:00,727 The flexibility is really important in this. 683 00:40:01,577 --> 00:40:04,785 It's kind of getting away from older kind of standards, 684 00:40:04,785 --> 00:40:07,101 and moving to something which is a bit more up-to-date, 685 00:40:07,101 --> 00:40:09,423 and something where the community can really change things, 686 00:40:09,423 --> 00:40:11,869 and not be dictated to-- and I'll start speaking quicker. 687 00:40:13,778 --> 00:40:18,258 So, power dynamics, at the moment, and why Wikibase. 688 00:40:18,258 --> 00:40:20,432 So at the moment, this is the art world. 689 00:40:20,432 --> 00:40:21,950 This is what the art world looks like. 690 00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:23,269 It's a big orange thing. 691 00:40:23,570 --> 00:40:25,360 But you've got these large institutions, 692 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,993 and then you've got sort of groups of artists' publishing. 693 00:40:28,117 --> 00:40:31,575 That could be Delhi, Mexico City, London, and so forth. 694 00:40:32,197 --> 00:40:36,219 And what we don't want is this kind of thing 695 00:40:36,219 --> 00:40:38,881 where large institutions and experts get to dictate 696 00:40:38,881 --> 00:40:41,672 the kind of ontology, and how these things are going to work. 697 00:40:43,115 --> 00:40:47,389 So, working to establish a Wikibase among an artist community 698 00:40:47,874 --> 00:40:51,523 can help them work out what they're going to do, 699 00:40:51,523 --> 00:40:54,582 and then they start pushing back into the larger institutions, 700 00:40:54,995 --> 00:40:57,140 with a more kind of flexible data model, 701 00:40:57,140 --> 00:40:59,344 with something that's more up-to-date 702 00:40:59,344 --> 00:41:01,814 and coming from grassroots organizations, 703 00:41:01,814 --> 00:41:05,115 as opposed as coming from institutions, so to speak. 704 00:41:05,564 --> 00:41:08,325 So, I think there's huge value in this approach 705 00:41:08,398 --> 00:41:12,058 in terms of creating a sort of parallel infrastructure 706 00:41:12,058 --> 00:41:16,284 for communities of people who own content, and so forth, 707 00:41:16,284 --> 00:41:19,360 much like Wikimedia is, 708 00:41:19,846 --> 00:41:21,996 and kind of pushing out to institutions, 709 00:41:21,996 --> 00:41:24,223 rather than doing it the other way around. 710 00:41:24,662 --> 00:41:26,847 Do I have another slide? What next? 711 00:41:26,847 --> 00:41:29,368 I always put this slide in, because it's always the worst slide, 712 00:41:29,368 --> 00:41:30,484 and it's such a stereotype. 713 00:41:31,347 --> 00:41:35,068 What next? We're moving on to the community consultation stage, 714 00:41:35,068 --> 00:41:38,953 so we'll get a bit more kind of expansive and interesting. 715 00:41:39,288 --> 00:41:43,724 This obviously, this database will be talking to Wikidata, 716 00:41:43,724 --> 00:41:46,632 but on what term, we're not 100% sure. 717 00:41:46,632 --> 00:41:48,614 But it could be that this becomes very-- 718 00:41:48,614 --> 00:41:51,086 just a very specific instance for artists' publishing 719 00:41:51,086 --> 00:41:53,922 that Wikidata can draw from, and vice versa. 720 00:41:54,501 --> 00:41:56,918 And I'll just finish off with that picture again, 721 00:41:56,918 --> 00:41:58,419 because I just quite like it. 722 00:41:58,587 --> 00:42:00,936 And that's all I have to say. Thank you. 723 00:42:00,936 --> 00:42:04,881 - Thank you so much. - (applause) 724 00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:08,853 We're almost at the end of our fast-paced ride, 725 00:42:08,853 --> 00:42:12,710 and we'll-- what to say? we saved the best for last? 726 00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:16,433 No, but we give the last presentation 727 00:42:16,433 --> 00:42:20,118 to someone who's a true pioneer of using Wikibase 728 00:42:20,118 --> 00:42:23,439 in the field of digital humanities. 729 00:42:23,439 --> 00:42:25,510 And, yeah-- Olaf Simons. 730 00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:28,499 You have not prepared any slides, but you will do some live action. 731 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,978 Exactly. 732 00:42:30,793 --> 00:42:34,165 And I have been on Wikipedia since 2004, actually. 733 00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:35,570 I have the 15 years. 734 00:42:37,772 --> 00:42:39,555 What am I going to show? 735 00:42:41,665 --> 00:42:43,564 I've been congratulated for this. 736 00:42:43,564 --> 00:42:47,635 I'm going to show you the Wikibase instance we created. 737 00:42:47,635 --> 00:42:49,056 It's not a Docker Image. 738 00:42:49,056 --> 00:42:52,093 And I could agree, it's not the best to have a Docker-- 739 00:42:52,093 --> 00:42:56,707 it's not the best to have an independent installation. 740 00:42:56,707 --> 00:42:57,808 It's difficult, 741 00:42:57,808 --> 00:42:59,646 and it has been extremely difficult for us, 742 00:42:59,646 --> 00:43:03,638 and we're grateful for the Wikimedia Germany 743 00:43:04,828 --> 00:43:08,741 to help us get it done on a mutual agreement we had. 744 00:43:09,413 --> 00:43:15,696 So, basically, we have here several projects on this. 745 00:43:16,060 --> 00:43:18,243 It's more project-oriented than Wikidata. 746 00:43:18,847 --> 00:43:21,453 And my thing should be in here. 747 00:43:21,506 --> 00:43:27,025 I open that and go-- just should have done that before. 748 00:43:27,336 --> 00:43:28,595 Here we are. 749 00:43:29,723 --> 00:43:33,542 The history of the Illuminati-- I start with this one. 750 00:43:33,868 --> 00:43:36,216 This has been a little film 751 00:43:36,216 --> 00:43:40,272 which has been created by Paul-Olivier Dehaye, 752 00:43:41,602 --> 00:43:43,755 whom I only know from Twitter, 753 00:43:43,755 --> 00:43:45,709 as he asked us what kind of experience 754 00:43:45,709 --> 00:43:49,933 did we make when we got our Wikibase, 755 00:43:49,933 --> 00:43:52,242 and he was experimenting with his own. 756 00:43:52,242 --> 00:43:55,606 And I talked to him about things we could do, 757 00:43:55,606 --> 00:43:57,271 and things we could not do. 758 00:43:57,271 --> 00:44:00,432 This was a film I would love to be able to do. 759 00:44:00,432 --> 00:44:02,339 And he said, "It's easy for me. 760 00:44:02,339 --> 00:44:04,724 I can run a SPARQL search, get the information, 761 00:44:04,724 --> 00:44:08,147 and put it into a program, in which you can then see this thing." 762 00:44:08,835 --> 00:44:12,328 It's actually 20 years of research on the Illuminati, 763 00:44:12,328 --> 00:44:15,897 and gives you a short history of the entire organization 764 00:44:15,897 --> 00:44:17,921 and all its correspondences. 765 00:44:17,921 --> 00:44:20,147 That's not a Wikimedia tool. 766 00:44:20,147 --> 00:44:23,024 It's not a tool of Wikibase. 767 00:44:23,024 --> 00:44:25,010 But it's something you can do. 768 00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:29,545 And actually, I like it that it is not a tool already. 769 00:44:29,545 --> 00:44:31,006 It should become a tool. 770 00:44:31,006 --> 00:44:33,932 I like it because it shows our data is really free. 771 00:44:33,932 --> 00:44:37,343 Someone can download our data, someone can do something with it, 772 00:44:37,343 --> 00:44:42,308 which we haven't expected, and it can be done within two hours, 773 00:44:42,308 --> 00:44:44,482 if you're bright-- and he is bright, of course. 774 00:44:45,255 --> 00:44:46,735 So, he created this for us. 775 00:44:46,827 --> 00:44:48,929 I go back to my presentation. 776 00:44:50,141 --> 00:44:52,825 Why on Wikibase? 777 00:44:52,825 --> 00:44:56,203 This was the immediate question when we approached Wikimedia. 778 00:44:56,203 --> 00:44:58,910 I knew of Wikidata since 2010, 779 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,643 and in 2017, it was ready to be used by us. 780 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,942 And there was actually an interest from Wikimedia people to say, 781 00:45:10,942 --> 00:45:13,215 "Do it, and we support you." 782 00:45:13,705 --> 00:45:15,493 Why our own base? 783 00:45:15,777 --> 00:45:19,590 Basically, as original research that we have to do. 784 00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:24,951 And the entire installation is a research tool. 785 00:45:24,951 --> 00:45:27,663 It's not only there to take a look at what we did 786 00:45:27,663 --> 00:45:29,331 and for presentation purposes, 787 00:45:29,331 --> 00:45:31,968 but actually, I use it every day for my research. 788 00:45:31,968 --> 00:45:35,341 I change dates of documents, 789 00:45:35,341 --> 00:45:38,782 and take a look at how things look when I have changed that. 790 00:45:38,782 --> 00:45:41,410 I do a lot with working hypothesis. 791 00:45:41,410 --> 00:45:48,083 And we ask projects that have data to give us their data, 792 00:45:48,083 --> 00:45:50,073 and to feed them in, 793 00:45:50,073 --> 00:45:54,269 and they can, again, put a label, 794 00:45:54,269 --> 00:45:58,208 put an item to their data sets, 795 00:45:58,264 --> 00:46:02,397 that says this has been produced by the following project. 796 00:46:02,397 --> 00:46:04,777 Next projects can continue with it. 797 00:46:04,777 --> 00:46:06,962 But it's already there as a marker 798 00:46:06,962 --> 00:46:11,260 that this is a data set with work from a certain project. 799 00:46:11,437 --> 00:46:14,149 And if you have a project, DFG-- 800 00:46:14,779 --> 00:46:17,568 DFG funded, the German research institution-- 801 00:46:17,568 --> 00:46:19,404 if you have a project, you want to show 802 00:46:19,404 --> 00:46:20,983 what kind of work you have done. 803 00:46:20,983 --> 00:46:22,633 And you can now do a SPARQL search 804 00:46:22,633 --> 00:46:25,880 and present your entire group of data sets 805 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,100 in the final résumé of your work. 806 00:46:30,751 --> 00:46:36,002 So we get original research, we identify research, 807 00:46:36,002 --> 00:46:38,513 we encourage the working hypothesis. 808 00:46:38,588 --> 00:46:40,045 This is a working tool, 809 00:46:40,045 --> 00:46:42,807 and it's actually quite useful to start from the beginning, 810 00:46:42,807 --> 00:46:44,267 not to present something in the end. 811 00:46:44,267 --> 00:46:46,741 But from day one, you work with it, 812 00:46:46,741 --> 00:46:50,170 and what you think is the proper answer to that question, 813 00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:53,120 you can put it into Wikibase, and then 814 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,021 you can substantiate information 815 00:46:55,021 --> 00:46:57,253 until you see this is the right identification 816 00:46:57,253 --> 00:46:59,532 of a person or the right date for a thing 817 00:46:59,532 --> 00:47:02,249 which we haven't been able to date so far. 818 00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:05,103 So, actually, accumulate work while you are doing it, 819 00:47:05,103 --> 00:47:07,536 use the Wikibase as a kind of tool 820 00:47:07,536 --> 00:47:09,763 that is getting you closer to the final result. 821 00:47:11,098 --> 00:47:14,782 Our first meeting took place on December 1, 2017. 822 00:47:15,268 --> 00:47:18,757 And I remember I had a little challenge for you, 823 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:25,067 and that was a death date-- a date of death for a person-- 824 00:47:25,245 --> 00:47:30,055 where I wanted to have someone to show a source for that, 825 00:47:30,055 --> 00:47:31,429 and that was extremely difficult, 826 00:47:31,429 --> 00:47:32,975 because he had to create the source 827 00:47:32,975 --> 00:47:34,758 before he could connect it to that. 828 00:47:34,758 --> 00:47:36,499 And in the room, we were-- 829 00:47:36,499 --> 00:47:39,815 we had the clear idea, if we do this, we'd do it 830 00:47:39,815 --> 00:47:44,608 with the sources already part of the Wikibase installation we have. 831 00:47:44,608 --> 00:47:46,433 And if we have the sources in there-- 832 00:47:46,433 --> 00:47:49,515 that is, all the early modern books that have been printed 833 00:47:49,515 --> 00:47:50,771 would be the ideal. 834 00:47:50,771 --> 00:47:53,382 If we have that in there, we need the GND in there. 835 00:47:53,382 --> 00:47:59,538 And when we heard that the GND people are on their track to test the software, 836 00:47:59,538 --> 00:48:01,879 I approached them and asked, "Wouldn't you like to do this 837 00:48:01,879 --> 00:48:05,499 in a cooperation with us, so that we can have your data, 838 00:48:05,499 --> 00:48:07,208 which we want to have, anyway, 839 00:48:07,208 --> 00:48:09,976 and that you can see how it works on a Wikibase." 840 00:48:09,976 --> 00:48:11,684 And this is where we are at the moment. 841 00:48:11,684 --> 00:48:14,849 And presently, I would say, a lot of things, 842 00:48:14,849 --> 00:48:16,399 we're not sure how they are done, 843 00:48:16,399 --> 00:48:18,339 or at least I am not sure how they are done. 844 00:48:18,339 --> 00:48:21,292 How's the input done, how do you get from a resource of strings 845 00:48:21,292 --> 00:48:24,500 to an item-based resource-- lots of things. 846 00:48:25,111 --> 00:48:28,065 And basically, my talk here is an invitation. 847 00:48:28,471 --> 00:48:30,012 Join us. 848 00:48:30,502 --> 00:48:32,987 We are still not really part of the Wikibase community. 849 00:48:32,987 --> 00:48:33,999 That doesn't exist. 850 00:48:33,999 --> 00:48:35,789 We have a Wikidata community. 851 00:48:35,789 --> 00:48:38,057 And lots of things are taking place in Wikidata, 852 00:48:38,057 --> 00:48:42,751 but if I ask for help for a Wikibase that is not Wikidata, 853 00:48:43,118 --> 00:48:44,696 that's a difficult thing. 854 00:48:46,030 --> 00:48:49,432 First thing I would say is, actually, to work with us is cool, 855 00:48:49,432 --> 00:48:53,665 because you can grab the data for Wikidata anytime, any moment, at CC0. 856 00:48:54,398 --> 00:48:57,886 So, actually, you can use it as an incubator of your work, 857 00:48:57,886 --> 00:49:00,486 and drag it to Wikidata. 858 00:49:01,013 --> 00:49:06,106 And also, we will work with big data, when we have the GND 859 00:49:06,106 --> 00:49:07,967 in there, that will be quite something. 860 00:49:07,967 --> 00:49:09,628 So, if you really want the challenge, 861 00:49:09,628 --> 00:49:11,810 you can get it also on our platform. 862 00:49:12,339 --> 00:49:15,499 And we offer interesting communities. 863 00:49:16,394 --> 00:49:18,341 Basically, one of the things that is different 864 00:49:18,341 --> 00:49:21,489 is that we have all clear-name accounts and institutions. 865 00:49:21,489 --> 00:49:24,459 So, but that also means you can do things 866 00:49:24,459 --> 00:49:25,949 which you couldn't do on Wikidata. 867 00:49:25,949 --> 00:49:27,976 You can do your genealogy at our site. 868 00:49:27,976 --> 00:49:28,993 We don't mind. 869 00:49:28,993 --> 00:49:32,075 It's interesting to have people getting such data. 870 00:49:32,075 --> 00:49:36,049 You can do your city's search-- research, historical research 871 00:49:36,049 --> 00:49:37,948 on our platform-- we don't mind. 872 00:49:37,948 --> 00:49:42,456 You can be with research on our platform. 873 00:49:43,052 --> 00:49:45,812 So, lots of things need to be done. 874 00:49:46,137 --> 00:49:48,565 We have immense problems running the database. 875 00:49:48,565 --> 00:49:50,676 It was implemented by Wikimedia, 876 00:49:50,676 --> 00:49:52,981 but now, we see lots of things don't really work. 877 00:49:52,981 --> 00:49:54,478 We can't really fix that. 878 00:49:54,478 --> 00:49:57,543 It's extremely difficult to get help 879 00:49:57,543 --> 00:50:00,489 to run the database, to update the database, 880 00:50:00,489 --> 00:50:03,034 to solve little technical problems, 881 00:50:03,034 --> 00:50:08,632 which we face as soon as we run an instance outside Wikidata. 882 00:50:09,318 --> 00:50:13,002 Like getting the direct GND link is difficult. 883 00:50:13,055 --> 00:50:15,644 It works on Wikidata, it doesn't work on our instance. 884 00:50:15,644 --> 00:50:19,620 Getting images from Wikimedia Commons 885 00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:23,260 on our Wikibase is not that easy. 886 00:50:23,260 --> 00:50:25,370 Lots of little things still remain. 887 00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:27,525 So, actually, this is an invitation. 888 00:50:27,525 --> 00:50:32,153 If you want to join us on the mass input, do that. 889 00:50:33,852 --> 00:50:34,861 Approach us. 890 00:50:34,912 --> 00:50:37,191 If you want to help us with technical things, 891 00:50:37,191 --> 00:50:38,591 this is highly welcome. 892 00:50:38,591 --> 00:50:40,129 And then, we need tools. 893 00:50:40,129 --> 00:50:42,120 You saw the tool we had in the beginning. 894 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,921 Actually, it's not that difficult to get such tools. 895 00:50:45,934 --> 00:50:50,963 I saw what kind of query you do to get such a visualization, 896 00:50:50,963 --> 00:50:55,140 and once you have it, you should be able to modify it easily. 897 00:50:56,601 --> 00:50:59,358 These tools are extremely precious 898 00:50:59,358 --> 00:51:02,754 in our community of digital humanities projects. 899 00:51:02,774 --> 00:51:06,099 And there are little companies that create these tools, 900 00:51:06,099 --> 00:51:08,727 again, and again, and again, and get money for that. 901 00:51:08,727 --> 00:51:12,202 I would love to have these tools just once and for all free 902 00:51:12,202 --> 00:51:15,493 and on the market and working with a Wikibase instance. 903 00:51:15,493 --> 00:51:19,662 So, anyone who is interested in developing tools, 904 00:51:19,662 --> 00:51:21,901 approach us, and we have plenty of ideas 905 00:51:21,901 --> 00:51:24,624 of what visualizations historians would love to see, 906 00:51:25,071 --> 00:51:26,815 and that should be done. 907 00:51:28,198 --> 00:51:31,493 So, basically, lots of things, like, still remain. 908 00:51:31,549 --> 00:51:33,774 I've got one minute. I don't need that one minute. 909 00:51:33,821 --> 00:51:35,640 And you're putting pressure on me. 910 00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:38,637 (person) Give it to the audience. 911 00:51:38,637 --> 00:51:40,380 I give the minute to the audience. 912 00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:42,122 Yeah. Thank you so much. 913 00:51:42,172 --> 00:51:44,324 And maybe you want to sit down, 914 00:51:44,324 --> 00:51:49,363 because I would like everyone to join me back on stage. 915 00:51:50,053 --> 00:51:51,793 And we can have a round of questions. 916 00:51:51,793 --> 00:51:54,628 I really like that we ended with an invitation, 917 00:51:54,628 --> 00:51:56,850 because this is what this is now. 918 00:51:57,254 --> 00:51:58,836 You are invited to ask questions. 919 00:51:58,836 --> 00:52:03,165 You are also invited to join us tomorrow at the Wikibase meetup. 920 00:52:03,489 --> 00:52:06,332 If you are-- if you have some idea 921 00:52:06,332 --> 00:52:08,567 for an awesome Wikibase installation, 922 00:52:08,567 --> 00:52:12,262 for your institution, for your hobby, for changing the world-- 923 00:52:12,990 --> 00:52:16,267 please come and join us, we will meet up, and-- 924 00:52:18,083 --> 00:52:20,228 There's some complication with the chairs. 925 00:52:20,357 --> 00:52:22,340 Well, let's stand up. Okay. 926 00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:24,496 I think we have another microphone, here. 927 00:52:24,496 --> 00:52:26,528 (person) I have the microphone for the questions. 928 00:52:26,971 --> 00:52:29,246 Okay. So-- 929 00:52:31,157 --> 00:52:32,662 Thank you for the presenters. 930 00:52:32,662 --> 00:52:35,799 And meet us at the Wikibase meetup, 931 00:52:35,799 --> 00:52:38,911 and now, I can't wait to hear your questions to the panel. 932 00:52:40,731 --> 00:52:42,391 (person) Who's the first? 933 00:52:43,805 --> 00:52:47,088 (person) Hi. I will be talking in the lightning session, too, 934 00:52:47,088 --> 00:52:50,872 about geosciences, and how in geosciences, 935 00:52:50,872 --> 00:52:54,312 there's many data repositories that have collected 936 00:52:54,312 --> 00:52:56,895 and shared data with the community 937 00:52:56,895 --> 00:52:59,331 for years, for decades in some cases. 938 00:52:59,820 --> 00:53:04,808 And they curate the data set, their schemas evolve continuously, 939 00:53:04,808 --> 00:53:07,243 they get a lot of feedback from the community. 940 00:53:07,243 --> 00:53:10,042 All they desire is to organize the community, 941 00:53:10,042 --> 00:53:12,557 to enable the growth of these repositories. 942 00:53:13,046 --> 00:53:17,371 So, they don't necessarily desire to put all their content in Wikidata 943 00:53:17,371 --> 00:53:18,837 and lose control over it. 944 00:53:18,837 --> 00:53:22,201 They offer a tremendous service curating this content. 945 00:53:22,566 --> 00:53:27,743 So, I just wanted to point out that some of the requirements 946 00:53:27,743 --> 00:53:30,895 and needs that have been voiced by the panelists 947 00:53:30,895 --> 00:53:32,841 appear in my communities. 948 00:53:32,931 --> 00:53:39,764 And my question is, how do you mix or maintain control 949 00:53:40,291 --> 00:53:42,971 over those schemas, over the standards, 950 00:53:42,971 --> 00:53:47,827 while allowing the community to continue to introduce feedback 951 00:53:47,827 --> 00:53:52,194 and have more of this crowdsourcing spirit that Wikidata has? 952 00:53:52,882 --> 00:53:56,209 I think everyone could answer that, but maybe David, you want to start? 953 00:53:57,313 --> 00:53:59,470 I'm not sure whether I'm the right person to answer this, 954 00:53:59,470 --> 00:54:00,845 because in our use case-- 955 00:54:02,175 --> 00:54:04,100 in terms of data modeling, 956 00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:09,297 it's really a narrow set of people who actually do the work. 957 00:54:09,472 --> 00:54:13,415 We contact experts for the relevant segments, 958 00:54:14,145 --> 00:54:17,309 and some of them could contribute, but for the current iteration, 959 00:54:17,309 --> 00:54:21,035 it was only me and two colleagues who actually worked on it. 960 00:54:21,082 --> 00:54:25,903 So, we want to have this option, that we get experts in, 961 00:54:25,903 --> 00:54:29,356 but it's always in close collaboration with us, 962 00:54:29,356 --> 00:54:32,076 so that we don't really have to worry 963 00:54:32,076 --> 00:54:34,349 about the problem of crowdsourcing. 964 00:54:36,053 --> 00:54:38,232 Being part of the Wikimedia community, 965 00:54:38,232 --> 00:54:40,620 I would say, I would not be that worried. 966 00:54:40,702 --> 00:54:45,797 95% of the edits are good edits, and improving things--more than that. 967 00:54:47,097 --> 00:54:50,409 As soon as we have an instance that is actually closed-- 968 00:54:50,409 --> 00:54:53,350 where I offer the accounts on real name, 969 00:54:53,350 --> 00:54:59,469 that's an additional hurdle that no fool is going to go over. 970 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:05,335 People are required on our instance to offer an address, on page-- 971 00:55:05,442 --> 00:55:06,938 not to me, but on page-- 972 00:55:06,938 --> 00:55:10,312 and this is something only institutions usually do, 973 00:55:10,312 --> 00:55:11,576 or private people that say, 974 00:55:11,576 --> 00:55:13,564 "Okay, I'm a private person. I love this research. 975 00:55:13,564 --> 00:55:15,882 This is my personal field. I give you my address." 976 00:55:15,882 --> 00:55:19,692 And this is a thing that puts off every-- 977 00:55:20,384 --> 00:55:23,718 any vandal who wants to destroy Wikidata. 978 00:55:24,084 --> 00:55:27,545 So, you can close the system, but then, 979 00:55:27,545 --> 00:55:30,216 you are not really part of the same flowing community. 980 00:55:30,305 --> 00:55:33,264 But again, I would say, if you go to CC0, 981 00:55:33,264 --> 00:55:35,848 then you can open up, you can be the incubator 982 00:55:35,848 --> 00:55:40,552 where people do the research, and then it goes out to the community. 983 00:55:40,552 --> 00:55:44,935 But it's an invitation-- use maybe closed works, 984 00:55:44,935 --> 00:55:48,743 and use an instance where you work together with people you like. 985 00:55:54,123 --> 00:55:56,475 Well, I think that-- 986 00:55:59,752 --> 00:56:03,798 I don't think that it's only my opinion-- 987 00:56:04,499 --> 00:56:07,250 it is there are different perspectives, 988 00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:12,911 and it will be hard to reconcile all perspectives and say, 989 00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:19,333 "Wikidata is the solution for the entire world to go into." 990 00:56:20,065 --> 00:56:24,364 I don't say by this that Wikidata is *not* a solution, 991 00:56:24,972 --> 00:56:27,925 but there are different perspectives, there are different needs. 992 00:56:27,925 --> 00:56:34,844 The world is-- really, there is a large variety of needs, 993 00:56:34,844 --> 00:56:40,271 of professional perspectives, that you cannot reconcile 994 00:56:40,271 --> 00:56:44,639 in a unique worldwide database. 995 00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:48,587 So, I think that both are-- 996 00:56:48,587 --> 00:56:51,756 The trickiest thing is how to reconcile 997 00:56:51,756 --> 00:56:58,528 and find angles of dialogue between these two large families 998 00:56:58,528 --> 00:57:00,800 of needs and perspectives. 999 00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:05,379 If there are more questions, 1000 00:57:05,379 --> 00:57:07,860 I would rather like to go to more questions. 1001 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,382 Anybody else? 1002 00:57:12,482 --> 00:57:15,159 If not, meanwhile you're thinking about your questions-- 1003 00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:17,726 I would just like to say that's one of the reasons 1004 00:57:17,726 --> 00:57:19,632 why we consider Wikibase, 1005 00:57:19,647 --> 00:57:23,820 because we believe that adding, editing information 1006 00:57:23,820 --> 00:57:27,992 within the Wikibase instance, where you have rights and roles, 1007 00:57:27,992 --> 00:57:31,443 as you have in Wikidata, gives us the opportunity 1008 00:57:31,443 --> 00:57:36,360 to share that information with the information in Wikidata 1009 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,109 in a more easy way, a more convenient way 1010 00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:44,170 than if we try to build these bridges in between our authority file 1011 00:57:44,170 --> 00:57:46,520 and Wikidata at the moment. 1012 00:57:46,641 --> 00:57:48,421 (person) So, I find it quite exciting 1013 00:57:48,421 --> 00:57:51,870 hearing about how you're energizing communities 1014 00:57:51,870 --> 00:57:55,149 to find their own ways for data modeling, 1015 00:57:55,149 --> 00:57:58,636 and that you can put into Wikibase. 1016 00:57:59,336 --> 00:58:02,556 Will you-- I'm just saying of Stuart Prior's community, 1017 00:58:02,556 --> 00:58:04,174 but also some of the others-- 1018 00:58:04,174 --> 00:58:06,155 be trying to feed the approaches 1019 00:58:06,155 --> 00:58:10,157 that as a community that you decide work back to Wikidata, 1020 00:58:10,157 --> 00:58:12,876 to say, "We've done artists' books, 1021 00:58:12,876 --> 00:58:15,316 we've thrashed through several iterations, 1022 00:58:15,316 --> 00:58:17,753 this is what we found really worked, 1023 00:58:17,753 --> 00:58:19,904 and the properties that you should have 1024 00:58:19,904 --> 00:58:23,193 or revisions you should make to the Wikidata data model. 1025 00:58:24,018 --> 00:58:26,006 Good question. Very short answer. 1026 00:58:27,388 --> 00:58:28,922 It's an interesting question. 1027 00:58:30,112 --> 00:58:31,847 I don't know whether this is a model 1028 00:58:31,847 --> 00:58:33,551 that's going to work for other types. 1029 00:58:33,638 --> 00:58:35,009 I hope it is. 1030 00:58:36,063 --> 00:58:39,093 But it's a difficult one if you question 1031 00:58:39,093 --> 00:58:42,774 of whether the Wikidata community accepts the kind of authority 1032 00:58:42,774 --> 00:58:45,700 of a separate community that goes off and does the work on its own. 1033 00:58:46,556 --> 00:58:47,776 But I would certainly hope 1034 00:58:47,776 --> 00:58:50,335 that it's a way of people feeding back into this process, 1035 00:58:50,335 --> 00:58:53,702 without necessarily needing to go onto Wikidata and do it. 1036 00:58:56,904 --> 00:58:58,525 Well, I would say, grab it. 1037 00:58:58,525 --> 00:59:01,721 Grab it if it's convenient, take it, and take a look at how it works 1038 00:59:01,721 --> 00:59:02,896 in the other instance. 1039 00:59:02,896 --> 00:59:06,424 And if you feel like this is a cool property 1040 00:59:06,424 --> 00:59:09,457 to do certain searches, then that will be adopted, 1041 00:59:09,457 --> 00:59:10,721 that will be flowing. 1042 00:59:10,721 --> 00:59:12,839 I wouldn't think of authorities doing this. 1043 00:59:12,839 --> 00:59:14,807 (person) Coming from a Wikidata user perspective, 1044 00:59:14,807 --> 00:59:17,543 the great thing you're doing is showing you've established code 1045 00:59:17,543 --> 00:59:18,802 that works and runs. 1046 00:59:18,802 --> 00:59:21,390 You've established a data model that people can see, 1047 00:59:21,390 --> 00:59:23,290 is implementable, and works. 1048 00:59:23,348 --> 00:59:25,867 And so, in the open source community, 1049 00:59:25,867 --> 00:59:27,693 you know, show us the code. 1050 00:59:27,705 --> 00:59:29,124 You can do that. 1051 00:59:29,124 --> 00:59:32,726 And that's why I think it's very exciting to have these branches 1052 00:59:32,726 --> 00:59:35,306 that can then fold it back for data modeling. 1053 00:59:35,306 --> 00:59:36,381 Yeah, thank you. 1054 00:59:36,381 --> 00:59:38,373 I think that is exactly the point. 1055 00:59:38,902 --> 00:59:41,833 I also like the verb that you used-- energize. 1056 00:59:41,923 --> 00:59:43,869 This is exactly what we want to do. 1057 00:59:43,869 --> 00:59:46,584 Energize, as in Star Trek. 1058 00:59:47,890 --> 00:59:50,193 Yeah, this panel comes to an end. 1059 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,750 And if you have any more questions 1060 00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:57,431 on all these Wikibase projects, talk. 1061 00:59:57,442 --> 00:59:59,633 - Please come tomorrow. - Have conversations. 1062 00:59:59,633 --> 01:00:01,504 This is what this conference is about. 1063 01:00:01,504 --> 01:00:02,926 Thank you very much. 1064 01:00:02,926 --> 01:00:08,073 (applause)