1 00:00:05,503 --> 00:00:08,713 (moderator) Alright. Hello everyone, thank you for being here for this session. 2 00:00:08,713 --> 00:00:11,503 We're going to hear from Nicolás and Ivana Giorgetti 3 00:00:11,503 --> 00:00:14,078 on surviving marriage using Wikidata, 4 00:00:14,078 --> 00:00:16,324 I'm sure an applicable topic for all. 5 00:00:16,324 --> 00:00:19,154 I'd also just like to remind everyone before we start, 6 00:00:19,154 --> 00:00:20,344 I know we get excited, 7 00:00:20,344 --> 00:00:22,582 it's the end of the day, it's the end of the conference. 8 00:00:22,582 --> 00:00:24,777 Please do not speak until a microphone comes to you. 9 00:00:24,777 --> 00:00:27,947 If you have something to say, it's not good for the live stream 10 00:00:27,947 --> 00:00:30,027 or anyone who has any hearing complications. 11 00:00:30,027 --> 00:00:32,771 So with that note, I will let you begin. 12 00:00:33,185 --> 00:00:34,886 (Nicolás) Okay. Thank you very much. 13 00:00:35,810 --> 00:00:40,095 Well, thank you for coming, we are Ivana and Nicolás. 14 00:00:40,095 --> 00:00:41,583 We are from Argentina. 15 00:00:42,333 --> 00:00:46,913 So, well, the topic of this talk is a funny way to say this, 16 00:00:46,913 --> 00:00:50,694 surviving marriage, because we are married. 17 00:00:52,174 --> 00:00:56,530 We started our relationship almost in 2005. 18 00:00:58,024 --> 00:01:04,955 I started editing a joke encyclopedia called Uncyclopedia, way, way back. 19 00:01:05,230 --> 00:01:07,738 It's an encyclopedia full of memes right now. 20 00:01:08,370 --> 00:01:15,283 And she started doing a talk about Wikipedia in 2005. 21 00:01:15,803 --> 00:01:19,704 I went to that talk and it started from there. 22 00:01:20,718 --> 00:01:23,873 After a few years, with a couple of friends 23 00:01:23,873 --> 00:01:27,085 we started Wikimedia Argentina, the local chapter, 24 00:01:29,385 --> 00:01:31,895 one of the biggest chapters in Latin America right now. 25 00:01:32,487 --> 00:01:36,487 She's a founding member, I joined a few days later. 26 00:01:36,999 --> 00:01:40,019 And then, we married in 2014. 27 00:01:44,173 --> 00:01:45,833 It's like a very nice relationship 28 00:01:45,833 --> 00:01:47,393 - because... - Is it? 29 00:01:47,393 --> 00:01:49,113 I think... (laughing) 30 00:01:49,113 --> 00:01:50,687 I'd like to think so. 31 00:01:53,067 --> 00:01:56,487 We are not the only married couple in Wikimedia Argentina. 32 00:01:57,297 --> 00:02:01,962 Our current president, Ivana-- she's named exactly like her-- 33 00:02:01,962 --> 00:02:05,127 - is also married to a Wikipedian... - But we're the oldest. 34 00:02:05,127 --> 00:02:06,991 ...but we are the oldest couple. 35 00:02:07,971 --> 00:02:12,421 So, after a few years we started not only doing events 36 00:02:12,421 --> 00:02:15,551 about using Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons 37 00:02:15,551 --> 00:02:18,267 on public institutions and schools, 38 00:02:18,757 --> 00:02:22,995 like one of the main objectives in our local chapter, 39 00:02:23,349 --> 00:02:27,369 we have started getting this Wikidata, 40 00:02:27,369 --> 00:02:32,959 or Wikidata--depending how you like to identify it-- 41 00:02:33,667 --> 00:02:39,029 we started using it and we fell in love with the project. 42 00:02:40,543 --> 00:02:44,613 (Ivana) So, a little context since we come from Argentina, 43 00:02:44,613 --> 00:02:45,953 and it's a big place. 44 00:02:45,953 --> 00:02:47,663 I know that many of you are from Europe. 45 00:02:47,663 --> 00:02:53,119 So, we decided to compare the size of Argentina into Europe. 46 00:02:53,119 --> 00:02:56,279 To give an example, we're in Buenos Aires... 47 00:02:57,214 --> 00:03:00,664 - Something like... - Yeah, like this. 48 00:03:00,664 --> 00:03:04,372 And the second biggest city in Argentina is Córdoba 49 00:03:04,372 --> 00:03:06,772 and it's 700 kilometers away. 50 00:03:06,772 --> 00:03:10,432 It would be like from here, Amsterdam or Brussels, 51 00:03:10,432 --> 00:03:12,109 so it's a lot of territory. 52 00:03:12,109 --> 00:03:15,789 - It's a very big country. - Yeah. 53 00:03:16,273 --> 00:03:20,927 So, mostly our big events happen in Buenos Aires, 54 00:03:20,927 --> 00:03:24,927 and we try to have some events in different provinces, 55 00:03:24,927 --> 00:03:28,679 but maybe they are not that big of an event. 56 00:03:28,679 --> 00:03:34,526 Also, open data is not very open or very data-ish, 57 00:03:35,076 --> 00:03:39,899 because many institutions don't have--they don't use databases, 58 00:03:40,859 --> 00:03:44,456 are mostly paper lists or they don't know how to do this. 59 00:03:47,421 --> 00:03:49,361 Something I remember, 60 00:03:49,361 --> 00:03:55,608 that many institutions do have databases, but they have multiple databases 61 00:03:55,608 --> 00:04:01,435 because one employee got tired of using the same Access database 62 00:04:01,769 --> 00:04:05,431 or the same Excel spreadsheet and they started their own 63 00:04:05,431 --> 00:04:08,031 and there is duplicated content. 64 00:04:08,031 --> 00:04:11,501 So, many employees use one database, many other employees-- 65 00:04:11,501 --> 00:04:14,852 or the official one is another altogether completely. 66 00:04:15,860 --> 00:04:18,432 Also, Wikidata is not very known, 67 00:04:18,432 --> 00:04:21,684 Wikipedia is the biggest one and it's not that very known, 68 00:04:22,113 --> 00:04:25,444 and also it's quite a lot of work to-- 69 00:04:25,444 --> 00:04:28,928 "Oh, this comes from Wikimedia Argentina." "No, we're not Wikimedia Argentina." 70 00:04:28,928 --> 00:04:31,488 So, imagine the difference between Wikimedia, Wikipedia, 71 00:04:31,488 --> 00:04:32,588 and now Wikidata? 72 00:04:32,588 --> 00:04:33,698 No way. 73 00:04:34,178 --> 00:04:36,264 Also, we are a developing country. 74 00:04:36,637 --> 00:04:40,539 Actually, tomorrow is the presidential election. 75 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,160 We thought this would be a fun thing to say, but then, 76 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,201 see the things happening in Chile and-- 77 00:04:48,201 --> 00:04:50,880 (Nicolás) You can see the situation in Latin America... 78 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,454 - is very peaceful right now. - Yeah. 79 00:04:54,116 --> 00:04:57,011 So, other type of context-- 80 00:04:58,901 --> 00:05:00,631 it's a very interesting place 81 00:05:00,631 --> 00:05:04,631 to try to understand how the Wikimedia movement 82 00:05:04,631 --> 00:05:10,161 improves and grows very differently in the developing countries 83 00:05:10,161 --> 00:05:14,161 like Argetina, Chile, Uruguay, Brazil even, 84 00:05:15,011 --> 00:05:16,394 or even in Africa, 85 00:05:16,928 --> 00:05:22,538 if we compare with European countries and, especially in GLAM events 86 00:05:22,538 --> 00:05:26,021 or open knowledge situations. 87 00:05:26,514 --> 00:05:33,498 For example, if we're trying to make some event or some agreement, 88 00:05:34,352 --> 00:05:37,842 many institutions may say, "You know what? The government is about to change. 89 00:05:37,842 --> 00:05:41,230 So, why don't we try after the elections have passed?" 90 00:05:42,452 --> 00:05:47,222 Yeah, many things fall apart between elections, 91 00:05:47,222 --> 00:05:49,822 because, okay, the government is about to change, 92 00:05:49,822 --> 00:05:54,437 so a lot of employees move away from their current jobs, 93 00:05:54,437 --> 00:05:58,437 many institutions have become leaderless, 94 00:05:58,437 --> 00:06:03,277 so we have to wait a few years or months to re-institutionalize 95 00:06:03,277 --> 00:06:07,288 and start our negotiations again. 96 00:06:07,288 --> 00:06:09,177 - Okay... - It's very frustrating, yeah. 97 00:06:11,817 --> 00:06:14,587 How can we approach people about Wikidata, Ivana? 98 00:06:16,104 --> 00:06:19,421 (Ivana) It would depend if we are talking about "Editors" 99 00:06:19,421 --> 00:06:22,156 or people that are not editors yet. 100 00:06:22,156 --> 00:06:23,966 Because if people use Wikipedia, 101 00:06:23,966 --> 00:06:27,381 it's much easier, they already know how to work with it 102 00:06:27,381 --> 00:06:30,412 but maybe they don't know about Wikidata yet. 103 00:06:30,412 --> 00:06:33,799 We started with this, what, two years ago. 104 00:06:33,799 --> 00:06:39,682 We started with, "Okay, what is this? It's a database on what, Wikidata?" 105 00:06:39,682 --> 00:06:42,079 and then we fell in love with it. 106 00:06:42,590 --> 00:06:45,396 So, we started with the editors 107 00:06:45,396 --> 00:06:48,669 and we tried to integrate Wikidata in all the events we do. 108 00:06:49,021 --> 00:06:50,844 If we are going to do an edit-a-thon, 109 00:06:50,844 --> 00:06:54,480 we try to have a track where we can edit the Wikidata about the topic. 110 00:06:54,865 --> 00:07:00,384 And, if there is no formal event inside, we tried to start something, 111 00:07:00,384 --> 00:07:03,654 at least something small, just to introduce the topic of Wikidata. 112 00:07:04,117 --> 00:07:05,217 (Nicolás) Yeah. 113 00:07:05,217 --> 00:07:11,243 Thankfully, thanks to the new integrations with Wikidata and Commons like depict 114 00:07:11,887 --> 00:07:17,243 it will become very much easier to do the job because-- 115 00:07:17,869 --> 00:07:21,465 Okay, we have many events like edit-a-thons, 116 00:07:21,465 --> 00:07:26,122 like we start with people and edit Wikipedia articles. 117 00:07:26,122 --> 00:07:29,228 We take photos and upload them in Commons. 118 00:07:29,228 --> 00:07:31,745 We try to integrate Wikidata with that. 119 00:07:33,057 --> 00:07:36,849 With non users, people that only read Wikidata 120 00:07:36,849 --> 00:07:42,560 or never knew Wikipedia or don't trust Wikipedia at all, 121 00:07:43,899 --> 00:07:47,249 we try to do almost the same approach, 122 00:07:47,763 --> 00:07:52,385 but we try to approach people that already work with databases 123 00:07:52,385 --> 00:07:55,905 or we don't know any yet maybe because 124 00:07:55,905 --> 00:08:00,585 like librarians... 125 00:08:00,585 --> 00:08:04,427 or people that work with maps, teachers, students, 126 00:08:05,457 --> 00:08:09,697 we try to approach those people on their own events 127 00:08:09,697 --> 00:08:12,837 like OpenStreetMap groups doing their events 128 00:08:12,837 --> 00:08:15,585 or free software events. 129 00:08:16,465 --> 00:08:19,083 In Latin America we have something like FLISoL, 130 00:08:19,083 --> 00:08:22,733 these events that you go with your computer 131 00:08:22,733 --> 00:08:26,176 and you get installed free software in your computer. 132 00:08:26,824 --> 00:08:29,955 We have gone to some presentations there 133 00:08:29,955 --> 00:08:33,955 and introduced them about Wikidata on other projects too. 134 00:08:36,025 --> 00:08:40,025 (Ivana) Okay. So, we started by building the small community 135 00:08:40,025 --> 00:08:42,387 because we had some data to start, 136 00:08:42,387 --> 00:08:45,976 but someone had to start uploading it so that's where we came in. 137 00:08:46,626 --> 00:08:49,760 We started making small meetings monthly 138 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,790 like the people in Wikimedia France started on the Atelier, 139 00:08:55,992 --> 00:08:58,680 something like that but in a smaller scale. 140 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:03,837 We tried to be regular, we sometimes get the same people, 141 00:09:04,208 --> 00:09:09,148 new people, people who don't return, it's a mixed batch of people. 142 00:09:11,437 --> 00:09:15,347 Many people didn't know about Toolforge and any of those tools, 143 00:09:15,347 --> 00:09:19,777 so we started using Mix 'n' Match, OpenRefine... 144 00:09:22,091 --> 00:09:25,721 - Especially, OpenRefine. - Yeah, we did one on depicts. 145 00:09:26,181 --> 00:09:30,181 And sometimes, when we are many and we have many newcomers, 146 00:09:30,181 --> 00:09:31,623 we split in two, 147 00:09:31,623 --> 00:09:34,141 so one of us will go and do a small talk 148 00:09:34,141 --> 00:09:36,640 about, "Okay, this is Wikidata, this is the basics," 149 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,640 and the other part will do something more advanced. 150 00:09:41,485 --> 00:09:43,975 Yeah. More advanced or more technical 151 00:09:43,975 --> 00:09:47,975 because one thing that--personally, 152 00:09:47,975 --> 00:09:51,975 I want to attract more technical people on Wikidata. 153 00:09:51,975 --> 00:09:54,805 In our local community, the technical people 154 00:09:54,805 --> 00:09:59,898 like developers or people that know how to code is very small, 155 00:09:59,898 --> 00:10:03,316 so I want to attract them and teach them like, 156 00:10:03,316 --> 00:10:04,971 "Okay, do you know Python? 157 00:10:04,971 --> 00:10:08,580 I can teach you about how to use Pywikibot, 158 00:10:09,761 --> 00:10:15,212 how to use then to get to the API for Wikidata 159 00:10:15,212 --> 00:10:18,753 and do some queries there, so you can use it on your program. 160 00:10:18,753 --> 00:10:22,261 Or you want to do a Telegram bot or a Whatsapp bot? 161 00:10:22,261 --> 00:10:25,191 You can do that with the documentation you have. 162 00:10:25,191 --> 00:10:30,147 So, we try to integrate that and some events too. 163 00:10:32,535 --> 00:10:33,699 Bueno. 164 00:10:33,699 --> 00:10:34,949 Well, sorry. 165 00:10:34,949 --> 00:10:38,589 How about institutions? GLAM and beyond. 166 00:10:39,249 --> 00:10:43,249 So this is a very old joke, I know we get that, right, but-- 167 00:10:44,109 --> 00:10:47,979 especially in Latin America, GLAM is not just GLAM, 168 00:10:47,979 --> 00:10:51,259 maybe it's Death Metal too and other metal genres. 169 00:10:52,004 --> 00:10:53,809 I really like Black Metal-- 170 00:10:55,009 --> 00:11:01,397 but not all databases come from galleries, 171 00:11:01,397 --> 00:11:04,337 libraries, museums-- 172 00:11:05,348 --> 00:11:06,868 What does the A stand for? 173 00:11:06,868 --> 00:11:08,368 - Museums. - Archives, sorry. 174 00:11:08,368 --> 00:11:10,541 I just want to say that was a terrible joke. 175 00:11:10,541 --> 00:11:12,873 Yeah. Thank you. (laughing) 176 00:11:14,202 --> 00:11:17,010 So, the data comes in mysterious ways. 177 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,159 We try to locate people 178 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:23,869 that are not identified by GLAM standard, 179 00:11:23,869 --> 00:11:29,467 like many NGO's or small groups of people 180 00:11:29,467 --> 00:11:32,835 who have a common goal or a common hobby, like-- 181 00:11:34,818 --> 00:11:39,137 Latin America have something like friends of the tram, 182 00:11:39,650 --> 00:11:41,105 something like that. 183 00:11:41,105 --> 00:11:44,469 We have archives. 184 00:11:44,469 --> 00:11:47,227 They have all the archive of old books. 185 00:11:47,227 --> 00:11:48,667 Yeah. Let me [explain this]. 186 00:11:48,667 --> 00:11:52,497 We haven't had a tram system like for 50 years, 187 00:11:52,497 --> 00:11:53,997 so it's something historical, 188 00:11:53,997 --> 00:11:56,327 and there's a group of people who have a library 189 00:11:56,327 --> 00:11:59,027 about the history of the tram in Buenos Aires, 190 00:11:59,027 --> 00:12:01,646 they even have an old tram that they restored. 191 00:12:01,646 --> 00:12:06,337 Well, once we did articles on there, and it was super useful-- 192 00:12:06,337 --> 00:12:10,009 but there wasn't Wikidata back then, or we didn't know obout Wikidata. 193 00:12:10,009 --> 00:12:14,009 Yeah. We had to maybe try to go back for them again, 194 00:12:14,009 --> 00:12:16,506 but many, many institutions-- 195 00:12:18,186 --> 00:12:20,846 right now it's in the middle of the elections. 196 00:12:20,846 --> 00:12:25,251 There are many NGO's that track politician information 197 00:12:25,251 --> 00:12:29,819 in our local government, nationally or in provinces, 198 00:12:29,819 --> 00:12:32,203 the open data is not very open. 199 00:12:33,646 --> 00:12:37,972 So, if you want to know when is the birth date of a certain politician, 200 00:12:38,616 --> 00:12:41,079 the first source is Wikipedia, for example. 201 00:12:41,079 --> 00:12:44,454 So, they try to get their own databases, 202 00:12:44,454 --> 00:12:50,014 so we try to talk to them about liberating that database in CC0, 203 00:12:50,014 --> 00:12:55,130 and we can also upload them to Commons, or Wikidata, sorry. 204 00:12:56,448 --> 00:12:59,230 I especially talk to communities about 205 00:12:59,796 --> 00:13:03,999 we share some similar goals like open knowledge, 206 00:13:06,782 --> 00:13:08,371 open and free knowledge. 207 00:13:10,905 --> 00:13:14,351 The simpler way to find things is free software community, maybe, 208 00:13:14,351 --> 00:13:18,895 and OpenStreetMap groups and other examples. 209 00:13:19,776 --> 00:13:23,241 So, what are we hoping to do next? 210 00:13:23,241 --> 00:13:25,001 We have many steps ahead. 211 00:13:25,736 --> 00:13:28,501 We are still a small community 212 00:13:28,501 --> 00:13:31,633 but we want to make more technical events, 213 00:13:32,161 --> 00:13:36,501 more events dedicated to how to use ToolForge. 214 00:13:36,501 --> 00:13:41,681 I already talked to many people in Argentina or in Chile 215 00:13:41,681 --> 00:13:46,837 that didn't know about the existence of many of the tools like, 216 00:13:46,837 --> 00:13:50,667 "Okay, I kind of upload a database using OpenRefine 217 00:13:50,667 --> 00:13:55,741 and maybe use Mix 'n' Match to use some alternative control." 218 00:13:55,741 --> 00:13:57,677 And it was, "Mix 'n' what?" 219 00:13:58,104 --> 00:13:59,648 So many, many tools-- 220 00:13:59,648 --> 00:14:04,718 many of the content of the technical documents 221 00:14:04,718 --> 00:14:09,171 about Wikidata and other projects are very hard to find 222 00:14:09,171 --> 00:14:13,776 in some respect to the less technical community, 223 00:14:14,294 --> 00:14:17,972 especially in countries 224 00:14:17,972 --> 00:14:21,650 with English as a non natural language, 225 00:14:21,650 --> 00:14:24,273 like in the Spanish world. 226 00:14:24,603 --> 00:14:28,603 Our country mainly uses Spanish or Portuguese. 227 00:14:29,558 --> 00:14:32,659 It's very hard to find information in our language. 228 00:14:33,147 --> 00:14:36,247 So thankfully, the people in Brazil are doing an excellent job 229 00:14:36,247 --> 00:14:38,190 with the Wikidata labs. 230 00:14:40,060 --> 00:14:42,292 We are going to try to imitate that, 231 00:14:42,292 --> 00:14:45,522 doing it in Spanish for the rest of Latin America. 232 00:14:46,692 --> 00:14:49,279 Doing something like a Women Tech Storm. 233 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:52,859 Yeah, for those who don't know in the Netherlands, 234 00:14:52,859 --> 00:14:57,169 they have resorted to some kind of smaller events called tech storms. 235 00:14:57,669 --> 00:15:02,559 For just chance, I happened to be in one and I liked the format. 236 00:15:02,559 --> 00:15:06,442 And I think it's something that we can replicate in a smaller scale 237 00:15:06,442 --> 00:15:09,302 because it was an event of 30 or some people. 238 00:15:09,302 --> 00:15:14,122 We have the capacity to do that and maybe we don't need a huge event. 239 00:15:14,122 --> 00:15:17,046 We just need one day or just a weekend. 240 00:15:17,046 --> 00:15:21,711 And I think that would be an important contribution 241 00:15:21,711 --> 00:15:23,566 if we could just gather people. 242 00:15:23,566 --> 00:15:27,906 Maybe have a speaker from Chile or Brazil or something more regional. 243 00:15:28,690 --> 00:15:30,334 We think it's a good start. 244 00:15:30,334 --> 00:15:34,644 Yeah, especially in countries like Argentina, 245 00:15:34,644 --> 00:15:40,222 where not many people know and don't understand English, 246 00:15:40,222 --> 00:15:46,162 especially because it's not an obligatory second language. 247 00:15:47,152 --> 00:15:52,217 So, if you go into a school that doesn't have a second language, 248 00:15:52,217 --> 00:15:53,477 you are busted. 249 00:15:53,477 --> 00:15:54,642 But we try. 250 00:15:54,642 --> 00:15:56,743 (laughing) We're going to try. 251 00:15:57,134 --> 00:16:01,815 So, how can I start or more exactly can *we* start? 252 00:16:02,252 --> 00:16:06,845 So, the best thing we have is building a community, 253 00:16:06,845 --> 00:16:11,191 maybe building from scrap, maybe the community is already built-- 254 00:16:11,191 --> 00:16:16,777 we've got to detect that and formalize in a way about that. 255 00:16:18,283 --> 00:16:21,879 So, about approaching people from other projects. 256 00:16:22,709 --> 00:16:23,969 Again, free software. 257 00:16:23,969 --> 00:16:29,057 Or, just like we have in 2007 started a community 258 00:16:29,057 --> 00:16:33,922 because a bunch of nerds liked to edit Wikipedia. 259 00:16:33,922 --> 00:16:39,370 So, it would be funny to start a non-government organization 260 00:16:39,370 --> 00:16:43,370 to propose to use Wikipedia in schools, for example. 261 00:16:43,370 --> 00:16:45,890 - And now we have an office. - And now we have an office... 262 00:16:45,890 --> 00:16:48,347 - And some staff. - ...and people and staff. 263 00:16:48,347 --> 00:16:50,850 - So it's very-- - It happens. 264 00:16:50,850 --> 00:16:52,264 I'm the treasurer there. 265 00:16:52,264 --> 00:16:56,168 I pay people's salaries. It's crazy. 266 00:16:57,275 --> 00:17:00,258 So then we go to many-- 267 00:17:00,258 --> 00:17:04,258 all the events that began, maybe not Wikimedia-related, 268 00:17:04,258 --> 00:17:08,322 maybe like a bunch of librarians 269 00:17:08,322 --> 00:17:11,324 get together to talk about improvements. 270 00:17:11,324 --> 00:17:14,534 We go there and propose, "Okay, you can use Wikidata 271 00:17:14,534 --> 00:17:17,614 or you can use Wikipedia in your day-to-day life." 272 00:17:17,982 --> 00:17:22,434 We go to schools, we go to public institutions, 273 00:17:22,434 --> 00:17:25,354 or the all the GLAM of the public sector, 274 00:17:25,354 --> 00:17:27,074 - like archives... - Libraries. 275 00:17:27,074 --> 00:17:29,787 ...museums, libraries, especially. 276 00:17:29,787 --> 00:17:33,657 We go there and say, "Okay, Wikidata exists, 277 00:17:33,657 --> 00:17:37,657 you can improve your life, we can improve our content, 278 00:17:38,036 --> 00:17:39,929 we need to work together on all that." 279 00:17:40,676 --> 00:17:43,046 There are many stones in our way, 280 00:17:43,046 --> 00:17:47,409 especially with the government changes and all that jazz, 281 00:17:48,919 --> 00:17:53,446 but maybe it starts very small, 282 00:17:53,446 --> 00:17:55,112 like a bunch of-- 283 00:17:55,112 --> 00:17:59,577 okay, five people have a common goal, like we like to take photos. 284 00:18:01,163 --> 00:18:06,208 In our town, there are ten statues, go there and take photos. 285 00:18:06,208 --> 00:18:09,288 And those photos, you can upload them in Commons, 286 00:18:09,288 --> 00:18:12,305 and you can do the pics about that. 287 00:18:12,305 --> 00:18:15,404 Not exactly because another thing if we don't have freedom of panorama, 288 00:18:15,404 --> 00:18:17,251 - that's another thing. - Ok, that... 289 00:18:17,251 --> 00:18:19,797 - But you get the idea. - We don't talk about that, 290 00:18:19,797 --> 00:18:25,452 but especially in Argentina, we did a very huge event, 291 00:18:25,452 --> 00:18:30,096 like the sum of our small communities in Buenos Aires. 292 00:18:30,506 --> 00:18:35,541 There were many hundreds of small cities or towns 293 00:18:35,541 --> 00:18:39,005 that didn't have their own article or their own Wikidata element 294 00:18:39,005 --> 00:18:43,005 and no multimedia content at all. 295 00:18:44,905 --> 00:18:46,703 We go there, we take pictures, 296 00:18:46,703 --> 00:18:49,237 we talk about people who live in that town, 297 00:18:49,637 --> 00:18:53,026 and start making history in a way, 298 00:18:53,716 --> 00:18:58,365 preserving all that exists in our huge country. 299 00:18:59,739 --> 00:19:04,613 So, on other things that we learned, that we started-- 300 00:19:04,613 --> 00:19:07,793 Okay, we maybe started doing discourse servers 301 00:19:07,793 --> 00:19:11,571 or something like that, like the digital community, and it works 302 00:19:12,841 --> 00:19:14,234 until a point. 303 00:19:14,234 --> 00:19:18,878 It's very interesting to have a person face-to-face meeting, 304 00:19:19,499 --> 00:19:25,662 maybe monthly or however you can, to improve the relationships. 305 00:19:25,662 --> 00:19:28,363 (Ivana) I think that was of our first meetup. 306 00:19:28,741 --> 00:19:30,691 - Yeah. - We were a bunch of people. 307 00:19:30,691 --> 00:19:33,431 Yeah. We were a huge bunch. 308 00:19:33,431 --> 00:19:35,922 There are people from the government there too, 309 00:19:35,922 --> 00:19:39,119 that work on the cartographical institution, 310 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,148 who works on all the maps in the country. 311 00:19:43,735 --> 00:19:45,835 It wasn't from the OpenStreetMap community 312 00:19:45,835 --> 00:19:48,862 and they fell in love with Wikidata, so that's a win. 313 00:19:48,862 --> 00:19:51,880 But in person is better than online in many ways. 314 00:19:52,245 --> 00:19:55,742 We try to make... 315 00:19:57,222 --> 00:20:00,776 ...make that community a reality in person. 316 00:20:02,001 --> 00:20:04,702 It's a huge gap, it's a huge... 317 00:20:06,486 --> 00:20:08,944 (speaking in spanish) 318 00:20:08,944 --> 00:20:10,620 - ...a challenge. Thank you. - Challenge. 319 00:20:10,620 --> 00:20:13,080 it's a huge challenge because it's a big country, 320 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,697 but we are working on it. 321 00:20:16,355 --> 00:20:17,761 What about funding? 322 00:20:18,477 --> 00:20:23,785 We are many institutions, not many people know how to get funds. 323 00:20:25,593 --> 00:20:29,911 Wikimedia Foundation has ways to make grants about events. 324 00:20:31,305 --> 00:20:37,475 If you have a working group, you can propose to get a small grant to-- 325 00:20:38,068 --> 00:20:41,387 "We need to start a organization and we want to do that, 326 00:20:41,387 --> 00:20:45,387 we got to liberate the contents of this library database." 327 00:20:45,946 --> 00:20:47,620 It's going to take work. 328 00:20:47,958 --> 00:20:49,871 I don't mean to say 329 00:20:49,871 --> 00:20:54,214 that I need the Wikimedia Foundation to pay me a salary to do that. 330 00:20:54,214 --> 00:20:58,334 No, that's not the case, I'm against that exactly. 331 00:20:58,334 --> 00:21:03,244 But it's like I need money to go to that town and take pictures. 332 00:21:03,574 --> 00:21:07,989 I need money to create a small event or rent a small space, 333 00:21:08,416 --> 00:21:11,458 to get WiFi and create an event 334 00:21:11,458 --> 00:21:16,144 to talk to 50 people about how to use Wikipedia... 335 00:21:17,329 --> 00:21:19,362 - With food. - ...with food. 336 00:21:19,362 --> 00:21:20,964 - Food is so special. - Very important. 337 00:21:20,964 --> 00:21:24,964 Very important in all events is the food and drinks. 338 00:21:25,796 --> 00:21:28,703 Especially alcoholic drinks, but that comes after. 339 00:21:31,494 --> 00:21:33,992 A lot of people, especially in our countries, 340 00:21:33,992 --> 00:21:35,483 didn't know about-- 341 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,856 many people speak about Wikipedia and say Wikipedia Argentina 342 00:21:40,856 --> 00:21:45,402 or Wikipedia Chile, for example, Wikipedia Uruguay, 343 00:21:45,402 --> 00:21:50,468 about that P... just the encyclopedia, 344 00:21:50,468 --> 00:21:54,215 and the Wikimedia Foundation does not exist. 345 00:21:54,215 --> 00:21:59,745 It's like a big mist that shows the money after a few years. 346 00:22:01,944 --> 00:22:04,994 It's really hard to find people to know 347 00:22:06,816 --> 00:22:09,526 that Wikipedia is founded by the Wikimedia Foundation 348 00:22:09,526 --> 00:22:12,246 and several other local institutions, 349 00:22:12,246 --> 00:22:16,246 like local chapters and user groups that promote the use. 350 00:22:17,367 --> 00:22:19,832 We need to evangelize people about that. 351 00:22:23,778 --> 00:22:27,120 The most important thing is that it started slow and steady, 352 00:22:27,647 --> 00:22:30,812 especially steady, like monthly meetups, 353 00:22:31,234 --> 00:22:33,474 it goes a long way. 354 00:22:33,474 --> 00:22:36,573 - Yep. - The perseverance [inaudible]. 355 00:22:36,573 --> 00:22:39,124 So, why don't we start? 356 00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:42,755 So, how to survive marriage? 357 00:22:42,755 --> 00:22:44,875 This is the last part, but-- 358 00:22:45,744 --> 00:22:51,347 once Johnny Cash said that the secret of a perfect marriage and a long marriage 359 00:22:51,347 --> 00:22:52,598 is separate bathrooms... 360 00:22:52,598 --> 00:22:55,684 - And he was right. - ...and he was totally right, 361 00:22:55,991 --> 00:22:59,991 but maybe too is open data, because we are working 362 00:23:00,991 --> 00:23:06,341 under the same goal like promoting and using open knowledge 363 00:23:06,341 --> 00:23:11,011 like Wikidata and other things and I love her for it. 364 00:23:11,011 --> 00:23:14,435 So, thank you for listening to us. 365 00:23:15,254 --> 00:23:19,254 (applause) 366 00:23:20,594 --> 00:23:24,214 Forgive me in advance for my bad English. 367 00:23:24,884 --> 00:23:27,174 (moderator) Oh, we got two minutes left. 368 00:23:28,194 --> 00:23:31,547 How about we have a couple of very small questions for... 369 00:23:32,163 --> 00:23:35,486 - Just tiny questions, tiny questions. - Anyone has questions? 370 00:23:36,783 --> 00:23:39,163 (moderator) Yeah. Just a moment. 371 00:23:40,893 --> 00:23:42,810 (person 1) Thank you a lot for your talk. 372 00:23:43,757 --> 00:23:46,893 One thing I noticed is-- in the Netherlands 373 00:23:46,893 --> 00:23:51,763 I started out with GLAM volunteer work as well 15 years ago-- 374 00:23:51,763 --> 00:23:53,245 I feel very old now-- 375 00:23:53,245 --> 00:23:55,105 and one thing I really noticed is, 376 00:23:55,105 --> 00:23:58,200 to make sure that you get many GLAMs on board, 377 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,724 it really helps if you get one that's pretty big. 378 00:24:02,793 --> 00:24:06,643 So, I could maybe give it as a kind of suggestion 379 00:24:06,643 --> 00:24:09,859 that if you try to find like a very prestigious museum-- 380 00:24:09,859 --> 00:24:12,155 I mean, it's probably harder to do that-- 381 00:24:12,626 --> 00:24:14,511 but if you get one museum with one person 382 00:24:14,511 --> 00:24:16,382 who is sympathetic to the cause, 383 00:24:16,382 --> 00:24:19,242 and you get them over and like-- 384 00:24:19,242 --> 00:24:21,632 we did one project in Netherlands called Wiki Loves Art 385 00:24:22,602 --> 00:24:25,342 that we started out with maybe two or three museums 386 00:24:25,342 --> 00:24:28,822 and then suddenly, the Van Gogh Museum participated 387 00:24:28,822 --> 00:24:32,032 and then, also that we got like 30 calls from museums like, 388 00:24:32,032 --> 00:24:33,988 "I want to be part of this too." 389 00:24:33,988 --> 00:24:36,278 Yeah, the domino effect of... 390 00:24:36,278 --> 00:24:41,558 - The domino effect, yeah. - Yeah. We are starting to go into museums 391 00:24:41,558 --> 00:24:45,795 talking about, "Do you know about what the Met does with Wikidata? 392 00:24:46,258 --> 00:24:47,882 Here's a few links." 393 00:24:47,882 --> 00:24:50,602 So after that, the people are like, 394 00:24:50,602 --> 00:24:52,728 "Oh, we can start doing something similar, 395 00:24:53,092 --> 00:24:55,696 and you can come here and teach me how to do it?" 396 00:24:55,696 --> 00:25:01,810 It's like, "Yes, if you give me the data, that sweet, sweet data." 397 00:25:01,899 --> 00:25:07,340 But it's a very interesting topic because not only in the GLAMS, 398 00:25:07,340 --> 00:25:08,995 in public institutions too, 399 00:25:08,995 --> 00:25:13,165 like many public institutions have a dream 400 00:25:13,165 --> 00:25:20,084 about getting all the data in one place and in a structured way. 401 00:25:20,992 --> 00:25:24,019 It's a long project, but many people are starting 402 00:25:24,019 --> 00:25:28,925 to go, okay, using Wikibase as a start-up, we can-- 403 00:25:28,925 --> 00:25:32,494 okay, local governments, then talk with the nation about-- 404 00:25:32,494 --> 00:25:37,796 Okay, or cadastre, like city information is in a database that is open 405 00:25:37,796 --> 00:25:39,920 to the public and to the government. 406 00:25:40,659 --> 00:25:44,032 We are starting to teach them about these tools too, 407 00:25:44,434 --> 00:25:47,249 but the domino effect is very important. 408 00:25:47,496 --> 00:25:48,974 But thank you. 409 00:25:52,666 --> 00:25:55,826 (person 2) Hello, I was just going to say that it's a good thing in your case 410 00:25:55,826 --> 00:26:00,113 is that the government did not think that this data will be sold 411 00:26:00,113 --> 00:26:01,965 and they gave it to them. 412 00:26:01,965 --> 00:26:06,357 Because, in my case, I think they will hold on onto the data 413 00:26:06,357 --> 00:26:10,837 until they find some commercial way to get profit out of it. 414 00:26:13,342 --> 00:26:15,941 (person 3) Hi, it's [inaudible], from Palestine. 415 00:26:15,941 --> 00:26:18,291 Thank you for your session and your presentation. 416 00:26:18,291 --> 00:26:21,622 - The subject is cool - Thank you. 417 00:26:21,622 --> 00:26:24,701 I just want to say that we are in the Levant area. 418 00:26:24,701 --> 00:26:27,754 As you know, the Levant area consists of four countries, 419 00:26:27,754 --> 00:26:30,522 Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. 420 00:26:30,522 --> 00:26:34,052 We face the same problems that you face. 421 00:26:34,052 --> 00:26:39,137 We are far apart--I know some users from more than five years, 422 00:26:39,137 --> 00:26:41,245 but I saw them one time. 423 00:26:42,575 --> 00:26:47,817 Also, a lot of Wikimedians in Palestine do not use Wikidata and that's a problem. 424 00:26:49,001 --> 00:26:53,251 I just want to say the difference between Wikimedia and Wikipedia. 425 00:26:53,251 --> 00:26:55,261 When I traveled into this conference, 426 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,890 the Palestinian police stopped me and arrested me for 40 minutes. 427 00:27:00,589 --> 00:27:05,885 They asked me where I'm going to travel and who gave me the scholarship. 428 00:27:06,579 --> 00:27:09,749 I answered all these questions in one minute 429 00:27:09,749 --> 00:27:11,939 and I spent the rest 39 minutes 430 00:27:11,939 --> 00:27:16,186 just explaining the difference between Wikimedia and Wikipedia. 431 00:27:16,186 --> 00:27:20,236 They didn't understand; they just got bored and told me just go. 432 00:27:20,236 --> 00:27:22,833 And I face these problems too. 433 00:27:23,184 --> 00:27:26,417 Thank you for your presentation and I wish you the best. 434 00:27:26,497 --> 00:27:27,757 Thank you. 435 00:27:31,343 --> 00:27:33,020 (person 4) Just a quick note on that. 436 00:27:33,020 --> 00:27:36,560 It happened to me kind of twice at the U.S. customs. 437 00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:43,050 Yeah, we got attacked in Kuwait, the local chapter... 438 00:27:43,050 --> 00:27:47,240 - Oh, yeah. - ...about a few days ago by the media, 439 00:27:47,629 --> 00:27:53,369 about how Wikipedia Argentina is a political statement 440 00:27:53,369 --> 00:27:55,492 about the opposition, the current opposition. 441 00:27:56,282 --> 00:27:59,812 The current relation is like our current government and the opposition. 442 00:27:59,812 --> 00:28:03,333 Like the Kirchnerismo and Wikipedia is written with a K, 443 00:28:03,333 --> 00:28:05,368 so we are the opposition. 444 00:28:05,368 --> 00:28:07,328 And we got to talking about it 445 00:28:07,328 --> 00:28:10,630 and in a 25-minute sermon in prime time 446 00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:16,615 talking about how our local chapter works to promote and define 447 00:28:17,354 --> 00:28:20,131 the current government in Argentina. 448 00:28:20,901 --> 00:28:25,150 And especially that Wikipedia with a P, Argentina like... 449 00:28:25,857 --> 00:28:29,131 We are not Wikipedia. We're going to tattoo this like... 450 00:28:29,131 --> 00:28:31,284 I need a T-shirt with that. 451 00:28:36,364 --> 00:28:37,774 (moderator) Any other questions? 452 00:28:41,507 --> 00:28:42,800 So we run into it. 453 00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:47,187 (person 5) Yeah, I'll be quick, it's not really a question is just a-- 454 00:28:47,441 --> 00:28:49,248 First of all, thank you so much. 455 00:28:50,197 --> 00:28:53,737 I'm [Han], I'm the conference grant program officer for the foundations. 456 00:28:53,737 --> 00:28:56,337 So, I just wanted to use this platform, as you just mentioned, 457 00:28:56,337 --> 00:29:00,337 that we provide grants, all kinds of grants. 458 00:29:00,337 --> 00:29:05,117 So I really encourage you to submit a proposal for small grants, 459 00:29:05,117 --> 00:29:06,417 rapid grants, projects, 460 00:29:06,417 --> 00:29:08,467 but I specifically support conference grants, 461 00:29:08,467 --> 00:29:12,216 and I just wanted to say that we're very much looking 462 00:29:12,216 --> 00:29:16,336 to fund Wikidata conferences, especially in emerging communities, 463 00:29:16,336 --> 00:29:17,926 but in general-- 464 00:29:17,926 --> 00:29:19,736 So, I really encourage you, 465 00:29:19,736 --> 00:29:22,772 everyone here going back to their local communities. 466 00:29:22,772 --> 00:29:25,862 A conference doesn't have to be like this huge conference. 467 00:29:25,862 --> 00:29:27,902 A conference can be smaller 468 00:29:27,902 --> 00:29:32,732 with 20, 30, whatever, participants, just as long as it has an impact, 469 00:29:32,732 --> 00:29:36,732 and I know that gathering around such an issue 470 00:29:36,732 --> 00:29:38,072 has a lot of impact. 471 00:29:38,072 --> 00:29:41,052 So, I'm really encouraging you to submit and to talk to me 472 00:29:41,052 --> 00:29:42,522 if you have any questions. 473 00:29:42,522 --> 00:29:47,072 Not only the money is part of things. 474 00:29:47,072 --> 00:29:51,212 You go and they know how to organize an event. 475 00:29:51,612 --> 00:29:57,580 Like, we hope to rent a place or to set up the audio, the video... 476 00:29:57,876 --> 00:30:01,876 - WiFi is very important. - ...WiFi is very important. 477 00:30:01,876 --> 00:30:03,287 (laughter) 478 00:30:05,642 --> 00:30:07,590 (moderator) I think we should close, 479 00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:09,750 - so thank you very much for attending... - Thank you. 480 00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:12,130 ...and thank you for presenting your speech, 481 00:30:12,130 --> 00:30:13,438 you did it well, 482 00:30:13,438 --> 00:30:15,308 and enjoy the break! 483 00:30:15,308 --> 00:30:19,308 (applause) Thank you.