1 00:00:00,130 --> 00:00:10,010 *preroll music* 2 00:00:10,010 --> 00:00:22,779 Herald Angel: Welcome back to the hacc stage this year on the remote Congress three. We 3 00:00:22,779 --> 00:00:27,019 are here again to host you an amazing talk: How proprietary IP and copyright 4 00:00:27,019 --> 00:00:33,330 models failed society and what we can do about it by Mario. He will be talking 5 00:00:33,330 --> 00:00:38,870 about some examples where IP or the current IP system failed us. And I think 6 00:00:38,870 --> 00:00:44,120 in general, a lot of people would agree that not everyone is content with how IP 7 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:49,960 works today. So I have nothing more to add to this. And I give my voice over to 8 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,200 Mario. 9 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:57,470 Mario Behling: Thank you very much. This has been a very kind introduction and I appreciate 10 00:00:57,470 --> 00:01:03,079 the support of the entire team and community. And I'm happy to give this talk 11 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:09,890 here today. It's a question that really concerns me for many years, honestly, more 12 00:01:09,890 --> 00:01:16,020 than 20 years since I started my journey in the open source, in the free software 13 00:01:16,020 --> 00:01:23,280 and the open hardware community. And yeah, I have quite a few things to share. And so 14 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:29,590 but before I talk about all these problems that we see, especially this year, I want 15 00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:35,939 to talk about the positives, my experience over many years, how open systems can 16 00:01:35,939 --> 00:01:41,899 benefit society and people's lives. And I want to talk about what I experienced and 17 00:01:41,899 --> 00:01:47,579 where I connected to people first, because for me, this is kind of proof that open 18 00:01:47,579 --> 00:01:55,529 systems can work and that they are ready to be the mainstream in society. So 19 00:01:55,529 --> 00:02:00,290 shortly about myself, I'm working here in Berlin with my company, OpenTec. I lived 20 00:02:00,290 --> 00:02:04,709 many years in Asia and usually I spend still a lot of time in Asia every year. 21 00:02:04,709 --> 00:02:10,540 And actually I stayed there until April. And when I came back at the beginning of 22 00:02:10,540 --> 00:02:15,020 the Corona crisis, then to Germany to be close to my parents and I love learning 23 00:02:15,020 --> 00:02:21,530 languages so on, not only into tech, always had this excitement, the kind of 24 00:02:21,530 --> 00:02:25,110 inspiration when I meet people from other countries and try to speak their 25 00:02:25,110 --> 00:02:30,720 languages. And yeah, that's what I really love. And people don't believe it 26 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:36,260 sometimes when they see my photo in the driver's license where I have long hair 27 00:02:36,260 --> 00:02:40,670 and I used to play in a rock band. So that's also in my life. And yeah, I 28 00:02:40,670 --> 00:02:48,590 believe in open tech as a solution for many of our global problems. So in 2006, 29 00:02:48,590 --> 00:02:54,820 for example, I started a journey with a mesh network community here. And I would 30 00:02:54,820 --> 00:03:00,790 like to share something that I did there that I hope to inspire others. And it's a 31 00:03:00,790 --> 00:03:09,090 video which I want to show you a few seconds here, to get you into the mood. So 32 00:03:09,090 --> 00:03:15,490 let me quickly switch to the video. And here it's from Flo Fleißig and one video 33 00:03:15,490 --> 00:03:18,089 that I created at that time. 34 00:03:26,545 --> 00:03:32,385 Video: *singing* Flo Fleißig, Flo Fleißig, Flo Fleißig olala. Flo Fleißig, Flo Fleißig, 35 00:03:32,385 --> 00:03:35,815 Flo Fleißig olala. 36 00:03:35,815 --> 00:03:40,637 Ich bin Florian, und das ist meine neue Wohnung. Wir sind gerade hier eingezogen. 37 00:03:40,637 --> 00:03:45,410 Und, ich hab kein Internet. Jedenfalls hatte ich keins. Aber in Berlin gibts ja 38 00:03:45,410 --> 00:03:50,154 Leute, die verschenken Internet. Und das Allerbeste? Es kommt auch noch durch die 39 00:03:50,154 --> 00:03:55,646 Luft. Und ich zeig' euch wie. Kommt mal mit. Hier ist mein 40 00:03:55,646 --> 00:04:02,659 Wohnzimmer. Kommt rein, kommt rein. Na, wie sehen die Schuhe aus? Gut. Und das ist 41 00:04:02,659 --> 00:04:09,881 mein Computer. Und der brauchte Internet. Und wo kommt das her? Erst mal aus nem 42 00:04:09,881 --> 00:04:19,414 Kabel. Und das Kabel geht durch die Decke. So, kommt mit, ich zeig euch wo das hin 43 00:04:19,414 --> 00:04:32,233 führt. Das ist meine Dachterasse. Und von hier komm ich immer aufs Dach. Kommt 44 00:04:32,233 --> 00:04:42,410 schon, kommt schon! Von hier aus kann man über ganz Berlin gucken. Da hinten ist der 45 00:04:42,410 --> 00:04:52,620 Fernsehturm. Da kommt mein Internet aber nicht her. Guckt mal, hier kommt mein 46 00:04:52,620 --> 00:05:00,860 Kabel raus. Und das geht in ne Tupperbox da unten. Und da kommt noch Strom hin und 47 00:05:00,860 --> 00:05:04,640 dann kommt noch 'n anderes Kabel raus Mario: And I don't want to show the entire 48 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:13,520 video. But I want to give you an example. What I did and how I got into the 49 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:19,010 community, how I got excited. So in, for example, for the free wireless mesh 50 00:05:19,010 --> 00:05:24,180 community. And I kind of forgot that it was German, I was switching it in. But 51 00:05:24,180 --> 00:05:28,640 it's about a guy who gets the Internet through Wi-Fi, who uses open source 52 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:40,360 software, uses networks and like as much as possible open things, and then like it 53 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:45,690 creates a network, participates in a network and so on. We make videos about 54 00:05:45,690 --> 00:05:50,430 Wikipedia and so on. So actually, that was a pretty exciting time because it just 55 00:05:50,430 --> 00:05:57,260 seemed everything's possible. People were talking about blogging, changing the media 56 00:05:57,260 --> 00:06:05,370 and so on. So, yeah, looking back from 2020, it seems kind of like a utopian time 57 00:06:05,370 --> 00:06:11,140 where we thought so many things are possible. And then we had like many events 58 00:06:11,140 --> 00:06:16,910 here called The Wizards of OS, and they happened like every two years at that 59 00:06:16,910 --> 00:06:22,760 time. And I was excited. So I went there. And one year I also got the chance to help 60 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:28,940 with the press there. So I met a lot of the drivers of that time there. So, for 61 00:06:28,940 --> 00:06:34,389 example, like here in this slide, we see Volker Grassmuck who organized the 62 00:06:34,389 --> 00:06:39,320 Wizards of OS, with a team and with a community. And some people we welcomed 63 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:46,330 back then were Jimmy Wales, Lawrence Lessig. And yeah, that was a really cool 64 00:06:46,330 --> 00:06:50,960 time with all these people came from all over the world. And like everything seemed 65 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:58,360 possible and and we changed it. So and at that time, I also, of course, made a video 66 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:05,949 with Lawrence Lessig and. Yeah. And he said something very important for me. It 67 00:07:05,949 --> 00:07:11,040 is extraordinarily important to have openness really in every layer of the 68 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:16,320 network. The physical infrastructure needs to have open and free resources, the 69 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:22,180 logical and the application needs to be open and the content layer too has to be 70 00:07:22,180 --> 00:07:28,260 opened. These things work together to encourage a wide range of innovation and 71 00:07:28,260 --> 00:07:34,669 creativity. This just sounded so cool to me. Everything just needs to be open. And 72 00:07:34,669 --> 00:07:40,180 yeah, I believe in this until today. And I see that people around the world and also 73 00:07:40,180 --> 00:07:45,610 I personally, we have a lot of benefits through open things. So I finished 74 00:07:45,610 --> 00:07:52,120 universities then and I wanted to do good. So I worked in some projects, for example, 75 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:58,009 here in Berlin at the TU Berlin, where we trained Afghans. And I also then had the 76 00:07:58,009 --> 00:08:04,320 chance to go to Afghanistan with a position in the Foreign Ministry, they 77 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:09,350 funded like some training programs in Afghanistan. And I went there and yeah, 78 00:08:09,350 --> 00:08:14,830 that was really cool so I could help people in the university. We were training 79 00:08:14,830 --> 00:08:21,040 there. We were doing like presentations, lectures and so on in the university over 80 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:28,620 a period of one year and also worked with the Goethe institute. Later on I met a 81 00:08:28,620 --> 00:08:36,539 guy who like crazy from crazy way to think of it. He started his company in Afghanistan 82 00:08:36,539 --> 00:08:41,750 and then he collaborated with all kinds of organization and projects. And at that 83 00:08:41,750 --> 00:08:47,380 time we got in contact with the one laptop per child project and we ended up to 84 00:08:47,380 --> 00:08:53,650 distribute 10,000 OLPCs, the XO laptops in Afghanistan, but not just distributing 85 00:08:53,650 --> 00:08:58,010 them. What we actually did is we set up and networks there so the kids could have 86 00:08:58,010 --> 00:09:05,320 access to knowledge from the Internet to Wikipedia. And we even like did all this, 87 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:12,490 like we installed a localized Wikipedia version on a computer. And so you didn't 88 00:09:12,490 --> 00:09:16,690 have to go all the way to the Internet. The Internet connection was bad, right, 89 00:09:16,690 --> 00:09:20,510 like you can imagine, for example, in Jalalabad, it was really difficult to get 90 00:09:20,510 --> 00:09:26,890 a good Internet connection. So we set up like a local server on a Eee PC at that 91 00:09:26,890 --> 00:09:33,990 time and with like kind of stripped down version of Wikipedia. And then we had our 92 00:09:33,990 --> 00:09:40,230 local network there. So. Right. I mean. Whatever we always talk about we actually really 93 00:09:40,230 --> 00:09:45,810 tried to make it happen and we did it and and there were so many more ideas at that 94 00:09:45,810 --> 00:09:50,480 time. I mean, for example, the Goethe institute, I had proposed to them back in 95 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,360 2006, to make a content management system or a wiki or something like that and 96 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:01,029 collect educational materials. And I thought, like, maybe we could have one or 97 00:10:01,029 --> 00:10:07,180 two people at the Goethe institute working on educational materials instead of like 98 00:10:07,180 --> 00:10:12,980 selling books to kids. And, you know, all this thing where you have to, like, 99 00:10:12,980 --> 00:10:16,500 distribute books around the world and so on. I thought, like, we can do so much. 100 00:10:16,500 --> 00:10:22,850 And why not start with a German institute? Unfortunately, already 2006, there wasn't 101 00:10:22,850 --> 00:10:26,930 any positive feedback. They said, oh, that's really nice. They wanted to hire me 102 00:10:26,930 --> 00:10:32,890 right away as for their development team to to take care of their website, but 103 00:10:32,890 --> 00:10:38,320 actually I was always interested in creating open knowledge. And yeah, 104 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,990 unfortunately, until today, we still have the problem that the digital divide is 105 00:10:42,990 --> 00:10:50,860 here right now in in Germany. And yeah, it's still not there. So unfortunately, no 106 00:10:50,860 --> 00:10:56,950 progress when I first proposed that 2006 to the Goethe institute. So I stayed 107 00:10:56,950 --> 00:11:03,350 longer in Asia and later on I went to Singapore, then to Vietnam, and I started 108 00:11:03,350 --> 00:11:10,770 a company in Vietnam. We did kind of Linux systems for the Swiss post. And so that 109 00:11:10,770 --> 00:11:16,970 was nice, right? I mean, you could earn income with open source. Fantastic. And we 110 00:11:16,970 --> 00:11:20,360 had this idea to connect with the global community. There was always this feeling 111 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,899 that we are a bit disconnected. Yeah. I mean, we're in Asia, we see all these 112 00:11:24,899 --> 00:11:29,670 things happening online and somehow we don't meet these developers that we 113 00:11:29,670 --> 00:11:34,279 usually meet at conferences, for example, in Europe. So we thought we are in Asia. 114 00:11:34,279 --> 00:11:37,080 It's not just me I'm talking about we, because, of course, you're always 115 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:43,120 embedded. You always meet friends, developers, designers, a lot of 116 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:48,740 community people. So we thought, like, let's make a event in Asia and here in 117 00:11:48,740 --> 00:11:56,340 Vietnam and we love FOSS and let's call it fossasia then because we are in Asia. And 118 00:11:56,340 --> 00:12:02,240 yeah over the years we developed different activities and different streams here, 119 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:07,250 fossasia.org, where we of course then develop software and hardware. I mean if 120 00:12:07,250 --> 00:12:12,500 you have events and when you have events, I mean then you meet other people and they 121 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:17,450 have cool ideas, you have cool ideas. But it's not that you only talk about it, you 122 00:12:17,450 --> 00:12:22,269 actually do it. You open a GitHub repository, for example, and then create a 123 00:12:22,269 --> 00:12:30,339 project and some projects move forward and yeah, become real and people use it. So 124 00:12:30,339 --> 00:12:34,610 one of these projects, for example, is eventyay.com that we use to organize our 125 00:12:34,610 --> 00:12:39,350 open source events. And then like we also connect developers, for example, through 126 00:12:39,350 --> 00:12:45,709 programs like codeheat. So happy to see you guys there checking it out. And it 127 00:12:45,709 --> 00:12:50,970 would be great to see you on one of these platforms. And yeah, a few pictures of 128 00:12:50,970 --> 00:12:56,029 people who are contributing and we always have big numbers. Right. And but like, 129 00:12:56,029 --> 00:12:58,420 it's not just big numbers, of course, like people come and go. A lot of people 130 00:12:58,420 --> 00:13:03,899 register but like then they come back. Some people continuously work over a long 131 00:13:03,899 --> 00:13:11,029 time. Maybe you see some familiar faces here from other events. These are a few of 132 00:13:11,029 --> 00:13:16,580 the contributors in the fossasia community. So we have a lot of merged pull 133 00:13:16,580 --> 00:13:21,050 requests. There are 5,000 developers registered, as I said, big numbers. You 134 00:13:21,050 --> 00:13:24,620 know, some people stay, some people go. It's always come and go. But we have a lot 135 00:13:24,620 --> 00:13:31,170 of activity going on. We have hackathons and we have a lot of coding programs. So 136 00:13:31,170 --> 00:13:36,801 back to 2009, then we started to organize events here with the help of the GNOME 137 00:13:36,801 --> 00:13:41,500 community we hosted GNOME.Asia. We started development. And that's what I say, like 138 00:13:41,500 --> 00:13:46,540 openness, open systems. They really bring together people to share 139 00:13:46,540 --> 00:13:53,210 knowledge and, yeah, to build a better world. And we continued over many years 140 00:13:53,210 --> 00:14:01,680 here, for example, fossasia Summit 2011, where we had a mini debconf. And so we 141 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:06,960 were very happy to welcome debian developers from all over the world. 142 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:12,880 That was really nice. And we moved to different places. For example, Phnom Penh 143 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:18,769 in 2014 where we were at Norton University. People again came from many different 144 00:14:18,769 --> 00:14:25,060 places. So that was really inspiring. And not just like summits and events here. 145 00:14:25,060 --> 00:14:29,940 Also we have coding contests and here, for example, there's an information event 146 00:14:29,940 --> 00:14:38,670 about coding, about codeheat in India. So it's not just us, people actually started 147 00:14:38,670 --> 00:14:47,860 to make their own events without our help, so that was really lovely to see here in 148 00:14:47,860 --> 00:14:56,690 India. And yeah, so then I thought, like, OK, all this free and open source, it's 149 00:14:56,690 --> 00:15:05,779 working. We have the software. We have people working on hardware. How about open 150 00:15:05,779 --> 00:15:13,420 architecture? And it happened that like I was in Vietnam and we had a small patch of 151 00:15:13,420 --> 00:15:19,410 land and we had planned to build a house. And then we said, why not build something 152 00:15:19,410 --> 00:15:22,670 really nice, like a slightly bigger where we can also welcome people from the 153 00:15:22,670 --> 00:15:27,100 community that we can say that we build an open source business here and we decided 154 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:33,430 to build an open source hotel. So basically a hotel that uses as much as 155 00:15:33,430 --> 00:15:42,779 possible open source tools and software and also a hotel that should have like 156 00:15:42,779 --> 00:15:49,820 follow the idea of ecology. And so we put on top of the house, for example, water, 157 00:15:49,820 --> 00:15:56,660 solar panels that are known to be really efficient. So the entire building is like 158 00:15:56,660 --> 00:16:02,170 uses hot water through solar panels, for example. And of course, we use Linux 159 00:16:02,170 --> 00:16:08,290 system where people can go to into the Internet. We use openWRT for our network 160 00:16:08,290 --> 00:16:12,480 and so on. Whatever is possible, unfortunately, is not entirely possible. 161 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:20,959 Because in Vietnam it's also like guests are usually supervised by the police. So 162 00:16:20,959 --> 00:16:27,779 the police demands that you install an app on the hotel computer and when you submit 163 00:16:27,779 --> 00:16:32,880 every evening which guests are in the hotel. So that one is the only laptop that 164 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:39,110 runs with Windows, there in the building. Yeah. And that was cool and then I thought 165 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:46,780 like but like what's happening in Germany. So I went to Germany and I met a lot of 166 00:16:46,780 --> 00:16:54,010 people who were working on knitting. Yeah, knitting. And then there were 167 00:16:54,010 --> 00:17:00,690 people who are interested in fashion and technology and we thought like, why not 168 00:17:00,690 --> 00:17:06,780 bring these people together? And there was also there was also a time where some 169 00:17:06,780 --> 00:17:13,790 disasters happened, for example, in Bangladesh. And so we had the, there was a 170 00:17:13,790 --> 00:17:19,089 building that crashed down. A lot of people died there and so on. So basically. 171 00:17:19,089 --> 00:17:23,990 That was big in the news and then there was big in the news that the textile 172 00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:29,679 industry harms the environment like in many different ways, especially in those 173 00:17:29,679 --> 00:17:35,490 emerging countries. So we thought, what could we do about it? And the TU Berlin 174 00:17:35,490 --> 00:17:41,860 and Melanie and Andre, few friends here, they said, let's make it happen. Let's 175 00:17:41,860 --> 00:17:45,960 let's make an event happen where we bring some people together. And, yeah, I 176 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,780 would like to share another video here with you to give you some impressions from 177 00:17:50,780 --> 00:17:52,500 that time. 178 00:18:08,407 --> 00:18:10,825 German TV Narrator: Computer trifft auf Mode. 179 00:18:10,825 --> 00:18:15,970 Auf der MeshCon kamen zum ersten Mal Softwareentwickler, Strickenthusiasten und 180 00:18:15,970 --> 00:18:21,040 Vertreter der Textil- und Modeindustrie zusammen. Entwickelt werden unter anderem 181 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,640 digitale Strickmaschinen als umweltschonende Konkurrenz für 182 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,940 Billiganbieter aus Fernost. Ein nur 3€ teurer WLAN-Chip zum Beispiel ins Hemd 183 00:18:29,940 --> 00:18:33,832 eingenäht, lässt die Kleidung mitdenken. Mario: Für den Gesundheitssektor ist das 184 00:18:33,832 --> 00:18:38,070 sehr interessant, denn hier kann man sehen, wie verschiedene Parameter 185 00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:41,930 funktionieren. Man kann den Herzschlag abnehmen, man kann Blutdruck und so weiter 186 00:18:41,930 --> 00:18:45,710 dann aufzeichnen und direkt per WLAN übertragen. 187 00:18:45,710 --> 00:18:49,940 TV Narrator: Ziel der MeshCon ist es, durch digitale Anwendungen eine 188 00:18:49,940 --> 00:18:53,870 umweltfreundliche Textilproduktion nach Deutschland zurückzuholen. 189 00:18:53,870 --> 00:19:03,470 Mario: So, yeah, right, I mean, like that was 2014 and again, you might say, well, 190 00:19:03,470 --> 00:19:07,460 yeah, it's the same topics that we hear today. I mean, like that's like six years 191 00:19:07,460 --> 00:19:12,340 later, right? It's "umweltfreundlich", environment. Right. Environmental friendly 192 00:19:12,340 --> 00:19:17,780 textile industry. What can we do with technologies to improve the situation 193 00:19:17,780 --> 00:19:23,370 here? And yeah, like this is something that we can do with free and open source 194 00:19:23,370 --> 00:19:29,230 hardware. And then we had the CCC event again that year and there Hong Phuc 195 00:19:29,230 --> 00:19:38,300 presented her like talk about textile machines. And there was this vision of a 196 00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:43,200 open textile production line. That's a huge thing. And we thought, like, let's 197 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,580 make a revolution for the textile and garment industry. The system is broken. 198 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:52,471 So already 2014 and onwards like we already knew that the system is broken. 199 00:19:52,471 --> 00:19:57,850 And it's just the same situation as today. And there was a video, I think I don't 200 00:19:57,850 --> 00:20:02,520 have so much time to show this, but we have our friends from the hackerspace in 201 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:08,070 Munich and different ones like in this video. I recommend you to you to have a 202 00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:14,520 look online after this session and the links and slideshow will be provided. But 203 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:20,491 it's really amazing what they do. And it shows that. Like textile production, local 204 00:20:20,491 --> 00:20:26,490 production is possible with free and open tools. We just need to develop them into 205 00:20:26,490 --> 00:20:31,390 the right direction. And of course, it takes a lot of resources. So that was one 206 00:20:31,390 --> 00:20:35,809 cool thing. And then we continue our fossasia events, of course, here at Phnom 207 00:20:35,809 --> 00:20:41,320 Penh, for example, we had Pravin. Pravin was from India and he is a physics teacher 208 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:46,970 there, and he introduced to us the idea of a pocket science lab that he could use for 209 00:20:46,970 --> 00:20:52,590 himself to teach the students. So we started that project and it's unbelievable 210 00:20:52,590 --> 00:21:00,410 what we have now achieved in 2020. We now have a small science lab here and you can 211 00:21:00,410 --> 00:21:06,560 find more information on pslab.io. And this science lab is completely open. Here 212 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,260 you see the board. So you can connect it, for example, to a computer, you can 213 00:21:11,260 --> 00:21:15,870 connect it to a smartphone and you can start to do experiments. There's a lot 214 00:21:15,870 --> 00:21:20,400 more work to do, but we have already achieved versions that people all over the 215 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:25,460 world can use. And yeah, even you can connect small robots and learn about this. 216 00:21:25,460 --> 00:21:31,910 So that's really cool. And this is, again, a positive vision. And we produce this in 217 00:21:31,910 --> 00:21:35,500 China. Of course, I always say local production, but we do what is possible, of 218 00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:41,900 course, with fossasia. We have a lot of connections across Asia. So here we 219 00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:46,919 actually got the knowledge to do this. We started a small company that facilitated 220 00:21:46,919 --> 00:21:51,530 the production. So that's all possible. And then, of course, it's about education. 221 00:21:51,530 --> 00:21:56,110 Here we see how people like go around in different places, for example, a 222 00:21:56,110 --> 00:22:00,190 Hackerspace Maker Fair in Singapore and so on, and do this. And then another thing 223 00:22:00,190 --> 00:22:04,830 that we did, I already mentioned eventyay.com. We now integrated Jitsi and 224 00:22:04,830 --> 00:22:10,860 Big Blue Button. Again, a positive example how you can collaborate in the open 225 00:22:10,860 --> 00:22:14,929 community. They're like completely different projects. We don't even know 226 00:22:14,929 --> 00:22:19,330 always the developers, but we can find their projects online and we can build 227 00:22:19,330 --> 00:22:26,190 amazing solutions. So of course, like always, the Chaos Computer Congress here. 228 00:22:26,190 --> 00:22:32,059 And this is the place where our contributors here from Europe, but also 229 00:22:32,059 --> 00:22:35,980 like from Asia, come together. Unfortunately, this year it's not 230 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:43,179 possible. But we're really looking forward to hang out again with you guys so hello 231 00:22:43,179 --> 00:22:48,780 here from Berlin right now at the moment to everyone. So this is a great place to 232 00:22:48,780 --> 00:22:54,550 meet. So we see amazing things are possible. And I could give you more 233 00:22:54,550 --> 00:23:01,290 examples from my own life, like free and open source technologies and knowledge and 234 00:23:01,290 --> 00:23:06,550 all these things are possible and they can be an example. But fast forward to 235 00:23:06,550 --> 00:23:11,179 today. What are the news that we are seeing? We are seeing information about 236 00:23:11,179 --> 00:23:17,780 how proprietary IP and copyright models fail society every day. And let me go 237 00:23:17,780 --> 00:23:23,081 through a few news here. So, for example, here already in March: Everything is 238 00:23:23,081 --> 00:23:30,510 missing. That was reported on Süddeutsche.de and it was reported that we 239 00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:38,780 don't even have like the simplest masks everywhere. And I have to say now it is 240 00:23:38,780 --> 00:23:43,920 the end of December, 10 months later. And still my father went to the pharmacy. He's 241 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:49,950 85 years. And what happened? They don't have masks. Yeah. So this is something 242 00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:55,440 simple. We are living in a high tech country here in Germany, but. We don't 243 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,990 have masks. Yeah, and even the masks that we have, I mean, like, if I would think 244 00:23:59,990 --> 00:24:05,690 like 10 months have passed, what high quality, high tech masks could we have 245 00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:14,850 possibly now if we bring all our knowledge together? But it is a market focused 246 00:24:14,850 --> 00:24:21,880 economy here and a market focused society that we have a lack to even imagine, 247 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:28,549 something that could work with a power of community. And I was very pleased to see 248 00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:33,500 here our friends from Potsdam and Brandenburg here giving a talk at the CCC 249 00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:39,950 about how they took action and produced masks themselves. And it's unbelievable 250 00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:47,560 how actually we rely on citizens to take the initiative where we have like so much 251 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,120 money in the economy and businesses and the government. I mean, like, we really 252 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:57,400 need to do and change something here. But this is just like one example. And I want 253 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:04,860 to move forward. Then just a few days ago, I read this here: our health minister, 254 00:25:04,860 --> 00:25:13,600 they have the right to... We have patents, right? Like patents and for... People 255 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:20,840 do research and they develop like some kind of formula. They develop a process. 256 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:28,720 And so a lot of companies use patents to ensure they can earn money with this. But 257 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,960 what happens if there is a war or if there's a huge crisis like now the 258 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:42,120 pandemic? The government is allowed to stop this. The government is permitted to 259 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:49,020 take the patents and say they're invalid, for example, for some time, and they can 260 00:25:49,020 --> 00:25:55,150 use, for example, their power here to produce more vaccinations right? But how 261 00:25:55,150 --> 00:26:01,929 long do we have to wait until vaccination is available for everyone? And I mean, six 262 00:26:01,929 --> 00:26:07,690 months, one year, and then is it available for everyone around the world? I mean, 263 00:26:07,690 --> 00:26:15,850 right now, the vaccination like, it's a business, right? And the companies that 264 00:26:15,850 --> 00:26:20,960 create the vaccination, they don't have any interest commercially to quickly 265 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:27,200 vaccinate everyone. I mean, you can read about it on the Internet everywhere. I'm 266 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:33,220 not going into detail here. There was also a talk about patents here at the CCC. So 267 00:26:33,220 --> 00:26:42,549 this is another bad example, how we fail society because of our policies. There was 268 00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:46,330 also this example in the corona crisis where some media reported that actually a 269 00:26:46,330 --> 00:26:57,809 company tried to stop makers here in Milano in Italy, and these makers had 270 00:26:57,809 --> 00:27:05,100 produced spare parts for ventilators. And they were really like running out of 271 00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:10,720 ventilators. And that was a big problem. And yeah, this company, of course, didn't 272 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:16,059 want to help and they couldn't provide design files to actually save lives! So 273 00:27:16,059 --> 00:27:25,690 this is just so sad that copyright and patents actually, you know, like you can 274 00:27:25,690 --> 00:27:32,460 only be in a loss of words when you think about it. It's like people die because of 275 00:27:32,460 --> 00:27:38,640 these kind of like... Yeah, and we have this here, patents are dying. So there are 276 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:49,020 initiatives that actually mention this and ask European governments to follow up. So 277 00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:53,400 then another example like I can, I have a lot of examples. I don't know if I have 278 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,059 enough time in this talk. But now let's go to examples here. The pandemic amplifies 279 00:27:58,059 --> 00:28:02,720 trouble with restrictive licensing and text e-books. So, of course, education is 280 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:08,000 a big topic like students are at home, they can't get materials that they need. 281 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,779 You can find examples all around the world. And then we have the World 282 00:28:13,779 --> 00:28:20,440 Intellectual Property Organization here, WIPO. What are they doing? "Copyright and 283 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,030 Covid-19: Has WIPO learned nothing from the pandemic?" are the news that we are 284 00:28:24,030 --> 00:28:29,870 reading here. So basically they don't want to change their policies. People don't 285 00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:34,490 have access to education, to knowledge,. Even the pandemic they have to stay at 286 00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:40,450 home and it's just not possible to adjust the policies. Everything is just for 287 00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:46,370 copyright. WIPO's missed opportunity to produce guidance on copyright exceptions 288 00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:53,630 hits education during pandemic. And here, for example, a quote from a spokesperson 289 00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:59,000 for African countries. In light of the Covid-19 pandemic, never before has the 290 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,630 subject of copyright limitations and exceptions been more pertinent for 291 00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:09,669 educational and research purposes. It is just so clear, he continues: Open source 292 00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:15,190 publications on health research are essential to the common human endeavor to 293 00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:19,910 find a solution to this global health challenge. Furthermore, children in 294 00:29:19,910 --> 00:29:24,650 developing countries have been denied online access to educational research 295 00:29:24,650 --> 00:29:29,240 material because of copyright restrictions. This is just unbelievable. 296 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:35,140 It is inhumane to learn about this. And yeah, why did it take so long before 297 00:29:35,140 --> 00:29:41,200 reading time arrived to distance learning? Copyright, of course, is a quote here of 298 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,840 Mike Masnick that I found online. And he goes on how like, for example, teachers 299 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:53,780 have to get permission to use reading materials online. And it is just silly if 300 00:29:53,780 --> 00:29:58,090 you think what he says here. No one would ever expect that if you walked into a 301 00:29:58,090 --> 00:30:03,610 kindergarten classroom that a teacher would first need to get a) a permission to 302 00:30:03,610 --> 00:30:08,590 read aloud a book and b) state before reading that he or she had permission from 303 00:30:08,590 --> 00:30:14,900 the copyright holder. This is happening in kindergartens, it's just insane. So a lot 304 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:19,570 more examples and I will switch a bit forward because I don't have too much time 305 00:30:19,570 --> 00:30:26,940 here for the entire thing. What else happened here this year? The youtube-dl 306 00:30:26,940 --> 00:30:34,340 source repository went offline. The I... R...I... RIAA used the same law that stops 307 00:30:34,340 --> 00:30:39,000 farmers, creators and security researchers from modifying or repairing devices they 308 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:44,730 bought and own from tractors and toasters or smart speakers and smartphones. And we 309 00:30:44,730 --> 00:30:49,610 could just go on and I think many of you remember what happened. They just took off 310 00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:54,279 a source repository, basically without rights. And of course, my favorite here: 311 00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:59,010 Apple. Apple crushes one-man repair shop in Norway's Supreme Court after a three 312 00:30:59,010 --> 00:31:04,150 year battle. Maybe some people are confused. I don't know who's listening. If 313 00:31:04,150 --> 00:31:07,110 you're listening from Germany, if you're listening from Australia or any other 314 00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:13,549 country, you could actually find similar news everywhere in the world where Apple 315 00:31:13,549 --> 00:31:20,110 prevents people from repairing their phones or from making any changes to their 316 00:31:20,110 --> 00:31:24,610 devices. And think about this in regards to the environment. Do you think this is 317 00:31:24,610 --> 00:31:28,770 good? If you can't repair your device and always have to buy something new? 318 00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:35,990 Definitely not. The example like the EFF just referred to it in the same path: 319 00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:42,250 Farmers fight John Deere over who gets to fix an 800,000$ tractor. So. John Deere is 320 00:31:42,250 --> 00:31:50,029 one of the biggest like companies that create machinery, agricultural 321 00:31:50,029 --> 00:31:54,890 machinery, and they told the copyright office that farmers don't own their 322 00:31:54,890 --> 00:31:59,510 tractors because computer code snakes through the DNA of modern tractors, 323 00:31:59,510 --> 00:32:03,620 farmers receive an implied license for the life of the vehicle to operate the 324 00:32:03,620 --> 00:32:10,029 vehicle. OK, again, copyright and intellectual property, so-called. And just 325 00:32:10,029 --> 00:32:14,320 like now, I don't know if people already have the chance to go through the Brexit 326 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:19,450 treaty. What do we read now on the Brexit treaty? A party shall not require the 327 00:32:19,450 --> 00:32:25,080 transfer of, or access to the source code of software owned by a natural or legal 328 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:32,120 person of the other party. Basically, this means. This is a trade agreement, and in 329 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,799 this trade agreement, we say if, for example, the EU or Germany, for example, 330 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:42,890 demands that any software that we buy from Britain and if the software is, for 331 00:32:42,890 --> 00:32:48,040 example, security related or for our power grid or something like that, we are not 332 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:56,190 permitted to ask a British supplier to open the source code to us. This is like 333 00:32:56,190 --> 00:33:02,880 how politicians continue here in this crisis. So it's all heading in the wrong 334 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,570 direction. And these are just a few examples. We are living here in a market 335 00:33:07,570 --> 00:33:13,640 society, but the market is failing to solve the pandemic, the climate change and 336 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:19,529 poverty around the world. This is just what we see here. And I want now some 337 00:33:19,529 --> 00:33:25,340 outcome here. I want demands. In my view, we are in a state of digital emergency. To 338 00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:29,000 solve the problems of our planet, from climate change to the pandemic and 339 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:35,980 poverty, we need a new open digital deal for global collaboration. And this is what 340 00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:41,080 I showed to you before. I showed to you how, from my own experience, I can 341 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,880 collaborate and work together with people all around the world. I can meet them. We 342 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:51,059 can create something new. We did create many things. And in my view, this is an 343 00:33:51,059 --> 00:33:59,350 example here that we should follow as a society. And that's why I have demands and 344 00:33:59,350 --> 00:34:07,350 here's some key things that I think we need. So of course, we need global 345 00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:11,579 knowledge sharing to solve our problems. We need open access to knowledge and 346 00:34:11,579 --> 00:34:19,909 information. We can't afford anymore to block access to our books and knowledge. 347 00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:24,200 And of course, that also means open science. We shouldn't say open science 348 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:29,450 because science is like by definition already open. But unfortunately, it is not 349 00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:37,029 always, often scientific sources are not released. And I think many people who are 350 00:34:37,029 --> 00:34:43,479 working in science and in university can talk a lot about this. So local 351 00:34:43,479 --> 00:34:48,560 production, of course. Of course, it's not achievable from one moment to the other. 352 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,289 But right now, like we already saw how, for example, for some health equipment, we 353 00:34:53,289 --> 00:34:59,430 are dependent on other regions of the world. It's very monopolized and 354 00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:10,239 centralized and for the environment and for the benefit of a lot of people like 355 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:17,130 locals who want to make income. We need a circular economy. So that, yeah, that is 356 00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:21,880 important. And of course, like it's an ongoing topic. And I know a lot of people 357 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,869 in Asia and in other parts of the world who suffer because they don't have 358 00:35:26,869 --> 00:35:32,299 privacy. And yeah, privacy is a human right, but there are many human rights 359 00:35:32,299 --> 00:35:36,660 that are violated, unfortunately, all around the world. Well, probably this list 360 00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:40,940 can be extended. These are a few key points that I see. All this is possible 361 00:35:40,940 --> 00:35:46,190 already today. If we could leverage the advantage of open collaboration, we have a 362 00:35:46,190 --> 00:35:52,160 proof. I have a proof that FOSS, open hardware, open knowledge, open data 363 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:58,979 works, openness works. And I want to leave you in a few moments with this list here 364 00:35:58,979 --> 00:36:05,989 that I created. My demands for new open digital deal for global collaboration. 365 00:36:05,989 --> 00:36:11,440 It's not sorted in a specific order. There are some thoughts. I think, like if people 366 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,349 are interested to contact me and work on this, I'm happy to extend and define this 367 00:36:16,349 --> 00:36:23,900 list. But here are a few points how we could achieve in this new open digital 368 00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:28,999 deal. So we could, for example, declare a state of digital emergency. I think that's 369 00:36:28,999 --> 00:36:35,700 what we should do. Digitalnotstand in German, like it's so apparent, it's on 370 00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:39,469 every corner and every school are these problems, companies have these problems 371 00:36:39,469 --> 00:36:46,349 it's just everywhere. And this demands a state of digital emergency. We need a new 372 00:36:46,349 --> 00:36:52,950 vision of openness everywhere. And of course, we are a market society. But this 373 00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:58,339 state like is active on so many layers and so much money is handed out. Where is the 374 00:36:58,339 --> 00:37:02,839 billion euro funded package to develop freely licensed open technologies on all 375 00:37:02,839 --> 00:37:09,160 layers by the European Union? We need this now and participatory making just needs to 376 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:14,859 be everywhere, a makerspace in every library and substantial tax benefits for 377 00:37:14,859 --> 00:37:20,009 open source businesses associations as well. It's not just businesses who improve 378 00:37:20,009 --> 00:37:23,789 society, it's associations, there are individuals. There are many different 379 00:37:23,789 --> 00:37:28,739 forms how you can benefit society and people around you. And for example I could 380 00:37:28,739 --> 00:37:36,869 imagine in Germany, a Bundesstiftung Open Source. And copyright should be defined as 381 00:37:36,869 --> 00:37:42,400 the right to copy, not is like right now, it's the other way around. It doesn't make 382 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:49,089 sense at all. Right? So, yeah, another idea, priority for businesses, 383 00:37:49,089 --> 00:37:53,450 associations and individuals that provide benefits to society. I think I already 384 00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:59,660 mentioned that. And all this will help us with more resilience and the digital 385 00:37:59,660 --> 00:38:05,359 sovereignity. So we are not dependent on, like, for example, China or like companies 386 00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:13,289 in the US. We don't know what they are doing. And we already experienced like 387 00:38:13,289 --> 00:38:19,019 what happened, for example, the last few years with Donald Trump. And yeah. So 388 00:38:19,019 --> 00:38:22,680 definitely we need to stop the colonization of Europe and the rest of the 389 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:28,809 world by monopolistic platforms. I think you can imagine which platforms there are. 390 00:38:28,809 --> 00:38:32,940 And it's even very difficult to get out of these platforms. And unbelievably, they're 391 00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:39,459 hardly paying any taxes here in Europe. So there are gatekeepers everywhere. Privacy 392 00:38:39,459 --> 00:38:46,099 is a human right. And I will leave you here with this list that you can also 393 00:38:46,099 --> 00:38:51,990 review. Afterwards, there's not so much time left. But I think you understand in 394 00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:59,750 which direction we need to head. And I demand that we do this right now. So this 395 00:38:59,750 --> 00:39:04,969 is my end slide and I'm open for a few questions. And I hope I can follow up with 396 00:39:04,969 --> 00:39:10,450 more of you. And there's a fossasia summit happening in March. We'll do it entirely 397 00:39:10,450 --> 00:39:14,219 online. And I would be happy to connect with you guys and with all our friends 398 00:39:14,219 --> 00:39:19,819 again there. So thank you very much for this talk. And moving back to the demands, 399 00:39:19,819 --> 00:39:26,079 I want to leave this as the final slide. We need openness on all layers, and I'm 400 00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:30,820 really fed up after twenty years. I have this experience, but I don't see that we 401 00:39:30,820 --> 00:39:36,300 really, you know, like it must be on all layers of society. We can't wait anymore. 402 00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:41,539 The climate change, pandemic. And maybe it's not the last pandemic. We don't know. 403 00:39:41,539 --> 00:39:46,630 All these things are happening and I think we need to change this now. So thank you 404 00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:52,779 very much for giving me the opportunity here for this talk. And I don't know, do 405 00:39:52,779 --> 00:39:55,640 we still have time for question? 406 00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:02,280 Herald Angel: Well, we are a bit over time already, but I think I have three 407 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,380 questions right here. And I think I'm just going to ask them. We still have some time 408 00:40:06,380 --> 00:40:11,369 before the next talk. So are you still active in the open Internet scene, or 409 00:40:11,369 --> 00:40:15,579 like Freifunk or like the thing you showed at the beginning? 410 00:40:15,579 --> 00:40:24,199 Mario: Yeah, I think right now I'm not like involved in the Freifunk community, 411 00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:30,859 but like, of course, like we all use it. I mean, you know, so it depends, define 412 00:40:30,859 --> 00:40:38,559 active, right? So definitely I'm supportive of the network community. And I 413 00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:43,579 think, like, it's on a lot of different layers. And I try to do my part to bring 414 00:40:43,579 --> 00:40:48,730 things forward. I think at the moment, my main focus personally is on open hardware, 415 00:40:48,730 --> 00:40:52,869 for example, the pocket science lab. And I'm also trying to support people who want 416 00:40:52,869 --> 00:41:01,180 to run events with free and open source software only. We even see a lot of events 417 00:41:01,180 --> 00:41:06,640 that, you know, like free and open source operating systems, but they use closed 418 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:12,779 source platforms. I want to help everyone to move to an open layer. And I 419 00:41:12,779 --> 00:41:15,229 think the wireless mesh community, Freifunk and so on, they have been very 420 00:41:15,229 --> 00:41:23,029 successful already. But in my view, we need companies, yeah? Because like we are 421 00:41:23,029 --> 00:41:30,500 in a capitalistic society. So if we try to, you know, to do too many things at 422 00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:37,199 once, yeah? Yeah, it's difficult. It's very difficult. So I'm focusing on more 423 00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:45,140 narrow things personally, but as I show here in the demands, I think we can have a 424 00:41:45,140 --> 00:41:54,319 much wider achievement, if we do this on different layers, if we for example, if we 425 00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:59,529 force the government to go into the copyleft instead of the closed strict 426 00:41:59,529 --> 00:42:06,859 copyright, you know. We need to change the policies and like an 427 00:42:06,859 --> 00:42:12,329 association by itself doesn't have the same resources as, for example, an entire 428 00:42:12,329 --> 00:42:18,739 state, and we need this open and free and open systems must become mainstream. 429 00:42:18,739 --> 00:42:21,799 Herald Angel: Okay jumping back again into the open infrastructure like 430 00:42:21,799 --> 00:42:27,140 infrastructure for everyone. What are your thoughts on Starlink or if there could be 431 00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:36,469 a way to make this kind of Starlink open source open hardware style? Starlink is... 432 00:42:36,469 --> 00:42:41,599 Mario: I didn't get enough startling? What is it? 433 00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:47,109 Herald angel: Starlink is, I think from Elon Musk, a company trying to get 434 00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:51,699 internet into all the remotest places via a satellite mesh network. 435 00:42:51,699 --> 00:43:00,039 Mario: Sorry, Starlink. Absolutely. So this is a very good initiative. And of 436 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:04,849 course, Elon Musk, even though I thought many times that he is a supporter of free 437 00:43:04,849 --> 00:43:10,900 and open source, he's just one figure and he depends on venture capital. And it's 438 00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:14,440 not like that he has all the money and does it. He has a lot of partners there, 439 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,390 venture capital, and there are limits to venture capital. They want to make money. 440 00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:25,519 Their main priority is to make money, while my main priority is like to do good for 441 00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:30,660 society. So I'm definitely happy to earn money to have like a nice glass of wine 442 00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:37,400 and so on. But right there, there are limits to this. So I want society to 443 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:43,390 benefit as a whole. And if we could have Starlink, for example, to run entirely 444 00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:48,559 with open source and like follow an open approach, and I would be very happy. Definitely. 445 00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:51,759 Herald Angel: Last question, we are a bit short on time 446 00:43:51,759 --> 00:43:56,709 now. Are you more in the organization part of fossasia or are you more focused on 447 00:43:56,709 --> 00:44:09,500 single projects? Mario: OK, so I think it is, it is both, 448 00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:14,619 yeah, and like honestly, like fossasia, it sometimes seems like a huge organization 449 00:44:14,619 --> 00:44:18,089 that people say, oh, so many people subscribe and this and that. And we do 450 00:44:18,089 --> 00:44:22,109 events and people ask, how can we also become like that and so on. Actually, we 451 00:44:22,109 --> 00:44:26,519 don't do this to become a huge organization. Of course, like we invite 452 00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:32,199 everyone to star repositories, to invite us, to come to events and so on. But it's not 453 00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:36,960 like for the benefit of like having a lot of stars or something or having a lot of 454 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,559 members. Our goal is to bring people together and also to like I think it's 455 00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:44,559 much better if they write on their GitHub profile: I'm a member of a FOSS 456 00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:51,099 community, then if they say I'm a Microsoft university student or something 457 00:44:51,099 --> 00:44:58,249 like that. So a lot of the things that we do somehow scale because of this community 458 00:44:58,249 --> 00:45:03,890 effort and one person tells the other. So even though it might sometimes look big, 459 00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:10,109 we are actually relatively small, I have to admit, and I try to support on every 460 00:45:10,109 --> 00:45:16,309 different layer. So my personal focus changes over time. So right now, I have a 461 00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:21,949 strong focus on enabling people to do online events. And I believe that in many 462 00:45:21,949 --> 00:45:29,359 parts of the world the virus situation will continue the way it is now, 463 00:45:29,359 --> 00:45:33,359 unfortunately. And so we need a solution to connect to these people and we should 464 00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:35,470 do this with free and open source. Herald Angel: Alright I think thats a nice 465 00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:38,920 way to conclude this talk. No more questions came in, as for now. So I'm just 466 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,641 going to say from our side, this talk is over. I will give the word back to you for 467 00:45:42,641 --> 00:45:50,979 a few last words and then all the viewers can go watch another great talk or go 468 00:45:50,979 --> 00:45:55,900 around in rC3 world. Mario: So I only would like to say thank 469 00:45:55,900 --> 00:46:01,180 you very much to the team, it has been an absolute pleasure and how you helped to 470 00:46:01,180 --> 00:46:06,269 make everything happen. And it's really nice to connect with you guys. And I feel 471 00:46:06,269 --> 00:46:12,119 like I'm really like at the CCC myself, so and I follow everything. So I appreciate 472 00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:18,239 all your efforts and what you are doing. So keep it up and everyone out there and 473 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:23,329 let's get on board and let's add more demands to my demands and let's make them 474 00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:28,000 happen and bring them to politics and so on. Unfortunately, the 475 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:34,209 Pirate Party is not like, didn't progress in the way we would have all loved to do 476 00:46:34,209 --> 00:46:40,690 it. But hopefully we can achieve this in other ways. 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