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Welcome back to the third day of Congress
here at the Hawks stage
with a very interesting sounding
talk open
source as a model for global
collaboration, where Hong
Kong will
share successful examples on
how open source can be
helpful tool or a solution to
global problems.
And I think with that out of the way,
I can already give over to our speaker.
Thank you, Lenny, for the
introduction.
I'm very happy to be here.
My first Congress got 31
C three, and at
that time I also give a talk
on stage about local production
in fashion in textile
industry.
I still remember how I was so
impressed with
the whole thing off again with
the ambient, the setting
and projects
and the people at the CCC back
then.
And of course, like many people, I can't
back every year.
I still can't believe that this year
there is no face to face concert.
But I'm still very glad that we
have this Virchow
experience and I'm
happy to to be part
of this.
A little bit about myself,
I was born and raised in Vietnam.
I am
a what is my relationship
with them? Open source.
I am a founder of Air Force
Asia. This is an Asia based
organization that develops open
source software and hardware.
We promote oversight activities
and try to grow to communities in
the region
because of my work
and and engagement in the
open source community.
And over like
10 years, I got
elected to be
the vice president of the Open Source
Initiative. This is a U.S.
nonprofit that safeguards
the open definition and maintains
the open source license list.
Recently, I also joined the
Open Source Business Alliance
as a board member.
This is a German nonprofit that operates
Europe's biggest network
of companies developing, building
and using open source
software.
And what is different
between now and the 34
31 century?
Um, not so much.
I'm really glad to say that I see doing
the same thing I forget for for
open source
development, open source
activities and
butta community and.
Yeah, so this is
what I do today,
I'm going to cover three
topics at first I want
to talk a little bit
about the lesson learned
and example, how
we bude open source projects
and community Imlay
and how open source
is a model that can enable
global collaboration.
And then I want to touch
briefly on two
trains that bring negative effects
to the open source ecosystem
that I have seen the past few years.
And finally, a small
call to action.
Listen, learn,
and it all started back into
2009 when my
partner and I am
founded, foster organization
back in Vietnam, etc.,
we realized
the opportunities that open
source and open technologies
can bring to the people in
the developing nation and country, the
opportunity to learn, to share
and to develop your own solution.
And we see this opportunity
and we want to bring this opportunity
to spread the idea to more people, view
a community so that people can
make their own decision and build their
own solution for themselves.
False Asia, basically a network of
people who share the same
idea, the same belief in
sharing and collaboration,
even though our name is Asia, we have
a member of contributors from outside
of Asia as well, from Europe, from
Australia, the U.S.
and many countries
around the world.
What we are what we are doing,
we develop software
and hardware projects like many other
open source organization out there.
We we train events to bring
people together
into before it was face
to face.
Even now, it on the virtual space is
another focus of us
is on education.
So we teach people how to write
and how to record, how to contribute
to different open source project, because
we believe that in order to
to change something, in order to, you
know, to do to increase the adoption,
everything you need to start with
education. So is also
our big focus.
I have seen 2000 in the eye,
we managed to to sustain
the operation and
this is actually not so, so
easy as we started
with two people as a grassroots
organization, we bootstrap most of
our activities now.
So do not have any backing
by a corporation or by
government or American
Life funding organization, something that
is such that is that everything on
ourselves.
So it's always a big question for
us how we can sustain
the operation
and the question about how to
continue to grow and develop photo.
We constantly think of a model, how open
source can generate
an income financially that's have to
continue to be and work
on the projects of some
of our interests and that we are
passionate about a different way
for us to sustain to.
For instance, we offer
services abroad is the way that we
develop. We sell hardware and we
also do a consultancy.
The scale of the organization, we
have about 35000
surprised both to our mailing lists and
media, social media, about 4000
developers registered on Kiho,
a true outstanding education program.
We are on board 2000
young developers and students every year
through coding programs.
We organize a lot of Face-To-Face
meetings be reversed.
You know, we do a lot of
virtual events and also Hecate
horns and we maintain a technical
blog. So basically this is a space
for for people to share
technical knowledge.
D asked some of
the
software and software
projects that we develop
into Asia community
today, I would just
emphasize I want to introduce two
projects.
As an example, how
open source work in a global scale
starting from somewhere in
Asia, first of all.
So even Yazeed, a project
that started in 2015,
so this is an open source
event management system.
We organize event as
in 2009.
And it's always challenging
for us to
see what kind of tooling to use
for call for papers, what to use
for er for scheduling for a
particular thing. And we always have to
use like multiple tools
in the beginning. In the very beginning
we use Google form just to collect
like submission.
But we also want to at
one point to realize that
there should be an open source solution
that help organizer to
run event. It's really important to
do events related to the Congress
where people can get together.
We can share the idea that was the
original goal
to have an open source event management
system. So we started to
to view this event here.
And now it's become a fully
functional is which
to call for papers, scheduling,
ticketing.
And we also recently integrating
videoconferencing to
solution entirely open source.
And we also work with other open source
project points. And we integrated GCP
Blue Button.
And of course, there
are also bridges to audio
video solutions.
And this is something
that we see as an alternative
to the proprietary software
like you've been. Right.
A native of projects that I am
so it's one
thing that I forget to mention, and
so we have about 100 contributors
in 2015 contribute
to Evanthia, and
they are not only coming from
from, uh, from Vietnam into
the park where we are, but we also got
developable from from Europe and
a system being used
by an organization
in the U.S.
as well.
Um, and now we can
continue to collaborate with more
projects to develop photo EVGA
pocket sized lab.
And this is another example
we revisit, I think the past few
years. We have our assembly at ACTC
and we also run wash up
onto Puckett's. I left a city open
source hardware device for
education that bew as
a teacher student project starting
film from India.
But now it's become, um,
a um,
a consumer product.
We distribute it
in many different continents,
including Europe, the U.S.
and the collaboration
here. And we came to the
CCC some years ago and we got like
feedback from the community,
how to change the design,
the blueprint of of the hardware.
And we also collaborate
with, um, a
European level project, the Horizon
2020 and
a science lab work together
with Fraunhofer Institute here in
Germany on the production
off of the hardware.
So I want
to talk
a little bit about something that we
learned over the years of
developing projects
and also building the community.
I often get a question from people
so how the whole thing gets started.
How do you get people to contribute?
How do you come up with a project
to work with?
So back in 2009, what
started out as a as a place,
as a conference, an event where people
meet any change idea, and
when people come together, they start to
develop a project, they start to go
together. But it's really important
in the beginning of building
a community.
And we need to understand
the landscape.
So people around you, what kind
of technology they they are familiar
with.
When you introduce something, you need to
to be sure that the people in
the community are excited about
the ideas for the project.
And it's a you see on
the picture, the people around
us at that time are very young
people. They're just getting out from
university and also
did not ask for a lot to do, the
whole dopa
open source movement.
So we tried to promote a a contribution
apart form from coding.
So there are a lot of things that people
can contribute and do.
A design writing
article promoting a
project, organize event, doing
fundraising and many more.
And we realized that to
to promote contribution
are like a platform technical
and a Kenya can
help to to widen to attract
new neutropenia.
And one thing is still
valid. It valid answer today, which
is try to keep the their entry
very low
enough to contribute
to various projects.
As always, a project you can see
in order to set it up on your local
server. So they send somebody before
they start to contribute.
They need somehow to install it on their
local machine.
And it's always a different experience
for different projects, not something
like out of the box can easily be
done by a beginner.
So so for us through now, the question is
how to keep the entry barrier
very low, how to get people let's set it
up inside it before they can actually
contribute.
Another lesson that we learned is
to understand and of
the motivation of development.
So if you want to do to check
like people who write code, which is
like a core thing of the project.
Right. So you need to
do to a word of their motivation.
So a lot of
people from from Asia community
are motivated by opportunities
to to get higher in the future,
opportunity to travel outside of the
country, which is very difficult for
them for many states and
cities and in a particular
region.
And of course, the day are motivated
to work on tooling that
they're familiar with.
So we undescended
undescended motivation and what we try to
offer to our contributors
is something that Chumash and that's
can satisfy their wish.
So in 2012, we
we tried to reach out to more
international communities and invite
developers to speak from the West
to come and connect with our
people to share the knowledge.
And at the same time, we look for
opportunities to bring to contribute
to us like oversea, where they
can get exposure to more
global environment.
And another thing
that we we learned over the year,
there are so many open source projects
out there, right.
And it's not just one
day you develop something to put it
online. And and that will attract
the attention of the community
is really difficult these days
to get to on board new developers
or to get people actually engaged
and contribute to your project.
And we learn that
as a developer.
So it's a cult, right?
People people like to improve
their skill.
So we organized
something like a contest been
going on for the past four years already.
So we do it throughout the year,
try to do to to help people
at first to learn how to code and end
a scene as they
get bigger and better.
They also win the prize for contributing
to to our project.
And it's we find it really
useful not only to attract new
contributors, but at the same time
you you need to widen the pool
of contributor.
It is the first step to
to guide people to do
and to to show people
how to contribute to not only the
project, but also open
source in general.
Develop a retention,
so to say, so I just want to
make sure that there are a lot of things
that happened in there in the last 10
years, I'm not be able to
to share any details, but I hope that
to do the summary, a few
highlights in this
presentation, uh, retention
is a big question for many projects.
Not only also, a,
when you compute an
open source project you like,
you need to win. Understand that at one
point people will move on.
So Bubo need to go on with their
lives to find something more interesting.
It difficult to keep the people
they continue to engage over the years.
So therefore it's important
to always
reach out to more people
in the community, try to
do to to do to engage in
change newcomer's.
At the same time, you should not
like put the knowledge into
like one call person.
It's always important to make sure that
you have a back up on what
you are doing.
I introduce like peer review to
ensure that there are more people can
review the course and
of course minimum to maintain it
so that you can you don't have to rely on
one percent of
over the term delegate
has. This is something that we find very
useful when people join the project
and people like to have more
responsibilities and
it also motivated them.
This is quite interesting
finding. So people are not only motivated
by by financial
benefit or by
traveling, but some people too motivated
by the responsibilities that they have.
So we introduce like mentor roles
where people can can help
the the younger
developers on New Kumbo to
do to to get involved.
And this is something that can't motivate
and keep people engaged
in the project.
Um, uh, yeah.
And we also introduce
development practices.
This is something that is not new
to many, like a project
out there. The, um, the
question is, how can
these practices being
enforced and implemented
in the in your development?
This is the question.
So a few things that we
got our form of from our development
practices, which is always Magowan
issue to one port request.
This sound very simple, but a lot of
people don't do it right.
Big issue into Modibo.
Small issue is that all is also easier
for people to review.
Doesn't have to require so much effort
from, uh, from the review of
a test before making a port request.
So, of course,
this is a standard way, but a
lot of people would you do make a yeah.
Without testing before they
make up? Yeah, we make things more
difficult. If you say then something goes
wrong, you have to to reverse the change
and only change.
Yeah. That you say.
Oh yeah. You said yeah on one thing
but actually a lot of different Cotchin
into one. Yeah. Which is not
welcome. I encourage um
Hapkido review, Ishido Port request.
This is like a peer review practice
that we always encourage
document y coding.
So document
it's, it's not a
favorite thing to do for developer.
Um but we always
encourage our contributors to, to,
to document why they are according
to the next person, can understand
and follow up with with the broadest
under access.
So basically I have to contribute
to the project for some time to be able
to own the right access to the
repository.
And one thing that's very important is
to avoid private conversation
and only collaborate
with the community, with the
on the project level chat.
So we you get to our
chat and every single project have their
own project channel.
So instead of two developer talking
like on private about how to fix an
issue, we encourage people to
do to have that conversation on,
um, on Dode on
the public channel.
Um,
yeah, and, um, yeah,
and how can you make sure that people
really follow the practices?
So it's about encourage
people to remind each other.
It's a practice that, um,
the developers are
continuously helping
each other and being appraised for
and being appreciated for
for for follow
there to practice.
So, again, so open source is
a decentralized software development
model that encourages open collaboration,
has proven how collaboration
could work successfully on a global
scale. Of course, the project that
we develop is on
a very
small scale compared to
Wikipedia or compared to
the Linux kernel.
But you could imagine starting from
a project somewhere in Asia is now being
used
by many other
countries at the same time, heavy
contributors from everywhere.
So we can achieve and
local collaboration with this
project. Imagine how much
impact it could have, if
opensource, be done on the national
level or on government level.
So, yeah, so
I just want to give one quick example
here, a decadent coronavirus
pandemic, right?
So a lot of
these shattered Sudarshan had been
developed everywhere around the world.
This is an example of the digital contact
tracing application
developed in Southeast Asia.
As you can see here, we only have
10 countries in in
Asia and Southeast Asia region,
NDA country.
They all lie, develop their own
solution. Yeah.
And it's all Altec or similar
problem.
They all say that they all want to have
a digital contact tracing
at bit different
country so that it's their own
application, even though
it could be possible to share
and call like in some way.
But it did not happen.
So I don't know how much it costs
for for this country to develop the
solution. But I read somewhere online,
the Corona Fund is developed
in Germany, does cost over 20,
20 million euro.
So you imagine if each country spend
as much money to develop a similar
solution, why?
There is no collaboration
across nations
so that we can't save the resources
at the same time, speed up the whole
process.
Karoonda pandemic is only one
of the challenges that we are
facing leaders this day, climate
change, political war, so many issues.
Open source collaboration could be
a solution to too many problems.
But we need more examples.
We need to successfully assemble to
accelerate the whole open model
in all industry.
Open source should not be only about
software. It could be the
open model, could apply for for
hardware, for pharmaceutical
formula, could apply for processors
and
it should be open source, open sender,
or should be a default for
and for all different
editrix and
encourage more collaboration across
borders.
Moving on, I want to
talk a little bit on the trains
that bring negative effects
to open source ecosystem
that I have observed
in the past year.
First of all, for that, I want to
to talk about digital shaming,
so digital shaming is being
electronically attacked online.
It can literally destroy people's lives
financially and emotionally.
And sadly, there
there is an increasing number
of openside contributors
or anyone could be victims
of this digital shaming.
Have you ever participate in a digital
shaming act,
for example, if you unconsciously
lie or treat or retrieve something that
you read online?
Yeah, so I don't know if you anyone
remember
a tweet that happened in PYKEN some
years ago where
some people put
talk about a conversation, a private
conversation of two male
developers in a
sexual way,
considering the sexy way, and then these
people got fired for
for for.
Yeah, and this is just one of
the example.
If you see something that
it's happening online and you see
so many people lie to treat
and you think that you
should also support
this activity by Lionel Richie.
So think about it before you do
something.
If you are not if you do not
know the person, do not
and do not have lied end in spending
the whole situation do not be part of
digital shaming.
One thing I think that it's important
to to understand is
the self-serving bias.
Self-serving bias is an action
done only for
one's own benefit is sometimes
at the expense of the avocado's.
It's happened.
Every day in our life,
for example.
A few days ago, I forgot
I forgot to call a doctor to change
my doctor appointment,
and then when I was asked by my
partner if I've done this because I don't
want myself to look bad, I just said,
oh, I called the doctor's office, but
nobody answered the call.
So we tend to to be always
bias on our side
when I say, OK, right.
So whatever information that you see,
people claim online, you need to
to see that people often talk on their
own, their own perspective.
Yeah. And
and of course, I can be a very
fair person, but I always tried
to protect myself.
So and
a lot of activities like
this happen on the Internet.
And many I
see that I see many
older generation of contributors
are leaving the community because
of this digital shaming,
because something that that they might
have missed spoken in public
and then being criticized so much by the
public and in forcing them to leave the
community.
And it really creates
an unhealthy environment for people
who who contribute and involve
in open source community.
And there's also something that
we should be aware of.
There are a lot of people out there who
use vulnerable act
for public interest because they maybe
they think that if you
if you express yourself
as a victory to you, you
could get the attention and the support
from the public.
And it's also good to to you up
your profile and interest.
So this is, um,
it's out and reasoned
and reasonable, but it's still a practice
that happened on onli
on on the Internet.
So important for us to be aware and
do not be part of this
whole thing if
we do not support a support
initiative, if you do not know
the people who are involved or do not
have a clear understanding of the
real story.
Another thing that another train that I
also want to highlight here,
diversity and inclusive
inclusion, I'm really glad that
there's so many,
so many initiative
and so many efford
in our society to put diversity
and inclusion.
These days, by definition,
diversity prefers to the traits
and characteristics that
make people unique.
Why? Inclusion refers
to the behaviors and social
norms that ensure people feel welcome.
Yeah, and as you can
see,
there's so many corporation,
big company and now
embrace diversity inclusion
by saying that they
want to to get more
women into leadership position.
They want to develop a more
inclusive recruitment process
where
discrimination in
recruitment could be limited and
so on. So many more.
Yeah. So you can see there's
more agency now
being formed to advise
on diversity, inclusion.
There's more jobs created for
for people who do research and
who want to develop for
the photo
in that interview.
So I'm also very happy because myself
as a minority,
I have a diverse background.
I'm a woman at the same time coming from
Asia. So this whole beats
life for many years.
During my my career
life, I also experienced discrimination.
And this is a really great
thing for her for for people
like myself and also
a great thing towards a more
equal society.
However, there
are some side effects that I
want to emphasize here on this.
Um, there's different initiative,
right. That that we should support.
But there are also something that create
more confusion
for for for people, especially people
coming from a non
English native speakers.
Yeah.
Have you ever experienced that you come
to a meeting room with
a you with your colleagues,
the people you work with and you afraid
of bringing
up word, afraid of saying something
because you're not sure of real address
push because you're not sure what kind of
broncho you should
use to address that person.
Yeah, and there's a lot of rules
about the way how you used to speak
in public. Yeah, of course,
if I am the
advantages for being a
non-native speaker, I can always say that
I'm not aware of all the
implications in the languages.
But is it really difficult for people
or for white people who consider
as a native speaker?
So they now started to to be
worry about what is the right thing
they allowed us to say or not.
Would they be like offend
somebody in public?
And I heard a lot in in the
communities these days.
So I just want to see that
diversity, inclusion is a good thing.
We definitely need to support
it. But we also need to be aware that
white people, white man is also part
of the community.
Part of the diversity and
inclusion of it should be about
everyone. So we should not exclude
or make people feel uncomfortable
about like coming up with new initiative
that only applicable for people
in particular countries.
Yeah. And again,
I'm sorry about.
Is it the whole diversity and inclusion,
the effect is our freedom
of speech being limited because of too
many rules apply these days?
And do people really like can
freely give their
feedback and criticism?
Actually, it's not always bad,
so it's happy to improve and become
better.
I want to give another example that has
happened to me recently.
I was as an open source event
where there was a group of people
talking, presenting about
policy on a European level.
So so this is a group that advised
the Commission on
on policy and they're using
a closed door software like PowerPoint,
Microsoft, PowerPoint to present.
And there was a message
in the community saying that, OK,
so if we we advise the
commission on using open source,
we don't. We don't.
We should should when we use open
source Owasso and this person gave
to come and being attached so much
by
anda chassÃ© that OK.
So this is an act of
excluding the people.
Right. So even though he just lets say
the truth, that if you work on
open source don't use when you use open
source yourself.
And he's being like joal by many
people saying that this is a
bad act because you should know
and not redecide people allow
people to do to to participate.
So so for me, it's so I don't think it's
it's a big thing, but but I see that
people have different opinion.
And then that person did not like wanted
to come back any more just by saying
AFAC and then hitlist
stating the fact being
redecide is not support
and inclusion
practice in the community.
So this is something
that we we should be Olby aware and
we should all be aware and
and think about.
They support the initiative and
be more open
play. Put yourself into what
type of people should I
not everyone have the same understanding.
And when people like
say the fact, it doesn't mean that they
try to to criticize
a person.
A call to action
in each and every
one of us can have can also support
with we are capable of,
there's so many things that we can do
to to become
a good a good citizen.
First of all, use open source software,
as I mentioned that example earlier.
Yeah. So my
grandmother. My my mother.
Yeah. So they
have no passport or software before I
could understand. It's difficult to get
these people. But if you have working
as an organization that
advise government on open source level,
please use open source.
If you got funding from the government to
develop open source project, use open
source products yourself.
There's so many alternatives instead
of some UTSA big blue button instead
of even pride, you even been Yanes leader
of Google Cloud you Nestler.
There's so many options out there that
you that you can that you can use.
And just by using open source
software, you'd like to have
a have a better support on
the ecosystem, contribute
to open source projects.
There's so many ways.
So if writing code contribute
to a documentation, globalized
global localization, including
localization, so changeless, project
into different languages, organize and
vojtko events and try to
bring people together, um,
they are also a lot of like DesignWorks
and and also make donation to
Open Source Project.
Talk about different open source
projects. There's something that anyone
can do.
If you are a developer, release your
work, open source
and assemble audio about
chasing after.
So imagine how much money we could save
just by sharing,
develop fly together.
Um, if you have one
problem. Yeah.
So why, why do we with DeLay develop
10, 20 different
solutions to tackle one problems
there so we can also work together
and advocate for open source model in
your organization.
So open source is not only about
software, it's about open
collaboration.
It's about sharing the knowledge.
Yeah, bring the knowledge to two more
people and advocate for
this model inside your organization,
in company and in
your government.
There's so much that you can do here if
you live in Europe.
So in Asia, it's so difficult.
And we never have a slight opportunity
to talk directly with our politician.
But you have the chance here.
So do that
and make sure that there's
a support of open source development.
I know that there is a new open source
strategy that being introduced
by the commission for twenty
and twenty three.
So you can check out that as well
as support open source, small
and medium enterprises.
So if you could give
a contract okayo someone to work,
so why not work
with small and medium companies so we
don't want open source.
Is a few of it
a better for, for a corporation, multi
national companies and
any more? We want more
companies to come into,
um, and also
being part of the ecosystem
and finally bring
open source ineducation.
So there's a way that you
can do that you can make education
possible for INSEAD.
I, I teach my mom how to use
012 or labor office.
So education kazatchkine you are in your
home and then it could be
like in school work was together with
techo university
do education cotting program.
I like what we
well like what we do at Davos Asia
best. There's so many small thing
that you that you could do, like connect
with people, you educate people
around you, your friend, your family,
both.
And finally, take
an active role, everyone,
anyone can make a difference.
We just need to.
To do it
and yeah, I would like
to take the chance to invite you as well
to our summit in
Somalia in March
between 13 to 20 first
two-thirds of March 2008 21
to connect and collaborate with open
source community in Asia.
Is it going to be a virtual
event as well?
Am I below is my
email and I'm
happy to to stay in
touch. And if you have any
questions about our
projects or about his presentation,
please feel free to to contact
me.
Thank you. All right, so
I have four questions
as of current standing, and
I think I'm just going to go with the
first one.
Do you know of solutions to avoid
information hierarchy's,
in essence, to single people knowing
crucial information?
And so I don't know a solution
like to avoid a hierarchy,
but I could say that
at the open source
development model.
So when the calls and
a process open openly available
to everyone.
So this is a way to avoid
information in top of a hierarchy.
Yes. So if you do open source and
light into open way, so you
documented your work due to how
the infrastructure
develops. So everything is openly
documented so everyone can have access.
So it's the same with with many open
source Wacek out there. If you look up on
GitHub, there's no secret on
on our repository, right.
The way we develop and how the
infrastructure set up.
What is the blueprint for where
everything is publicly available
to everyone.
So I would say that the open source model
is a way to limit
hierarchy to your
information.
OK. Thank you.
We have a question about inclusion.
How is it or
is there an easy way to break the
language barrier in an international
community?
Many people want to contribute, but not
everyone does speak English well enough
to discuss technical or other
issues that deeply.
Yes, so the language
barrier, it has
been a topic for so, so many
years. So what do you
think that it could be a suitable
solution? What is so this legislation
application out there?
But of course, this is a barrier that is
always there, the language barrier.
Right. However,
on the good side, more and more people
getting a life
being changed on on English.
So, so, so.
So you can see this there.
Even in developing country like
Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, more and more
people started to learn and speak
English. And you have very,
very good influentially.
So it's about
the need. We need time
for people to get into
play, to learn the language and at the
same time to contribute.
There is not an easy solution to
break the language barrier.
There's always some project they
they do they translate to make sure
that they translate
to the contributor like they would
contribute to Galai.
So to show people
how to contribute and
indeed in different languages.
But at the same time, you know, it's not
a glutamate
solution because in order to
write a code Mozgov at
the same time you know and and
overset written in English, people
need to do to understand and
also have a certain level.
But the good thing is that
people are getting better
and better. So there's so many
way that people can can
have to learn the
language. So I think that in the next
few years, hopefully there won't
be a language barrier anymore.
Everyone could be able to speak in
writing English.
And do you have plans on expanding
outside of Asia or with
Asia, maybe to Africa or
other continents?
Yes, so full force
Asia, right, as I mentioned, we base
our Asia, but the projects that we do, it
actually not only focus on Asia.
So we have a partner
here in Europe. So we work together with
the European
Union, we work together with Spotfire
Institute, and we are part of the
Open Next, a program
so that there is already
existing collaboration.
So we not focus only on
the Asian market because open source
E across borders so anyone can
do, anyone can contribute.
And Africa is also
a very good
question here. So we connect with
Africa for us.
So it's again,
so it's not on
any and there's no nothing concrete
that that I could share at the moment.
But there's also initiative
and and you so rup that
active in in Africa.
And we also like connect with them,
I promise. I, I don't know if anyone from
from Africa is here to Congress,
but at the Open Source
Initiative Asia Summit,
we do have people coming and exchange
and connect with us. Yeah.
OK, very cool.
And the last question for today
would be how much of Asia's
interest or activities promote
contribution to existing popular
software projects?
Could you repeat that question, please?
It's quite low how much of
Asia's interest is into promoting
contribution to existing
open source free software projects?
Yes, so actually, we promote
not only our object, but we actually do
promote a lot of Ordos open source
project as a market and we
we usually see from the stack.
Yeah. So it's almost the entire
pandemic. We we tried to to use
open source solution, almost impossible.
We set up our own nikolaou instead.
And in the project we use Lepo
office for several years
and we use Inskip.
So we promote also in our training
at university and it's school and we work
with, we offer training on open
source solutions to, to people.
So not only we do not only promote our
own Air Force Asia project, but
we actively promote auto projects.
And I believe that there's also
some project that I know in the community
getting contributors from
the East Asia community.
So which is something that we are very
glad in order to survive.
Yeah. And in order to grow the ecosystem.
It's not only about your organization,
it's about the collaboration.
You need to work with other
organizations and you need to
foster collaboration in order to grow
and and foster
the entire network.
So we are very open to
work with Auto Pacheco's.
As I said, we integrated Jesty already
in Evanthia and and also the
blue button.
Yeah. And yeah.
So dance anymore is okay.
I think that really nicely
concludes this great talk.
And you left your details in the slides.
So if anyone still has questions, as
she said, write her an email.
And I think from our side
this stock is finished.
And if you have anything more to say,
say so. And apart from that.
So we're.
Yeah, so I just want to say thank
you very much again for having me
now. Thank you, Lenny, in Mako's
for setting up the whole thing.
I really appreciate it.
Joe.