0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Dear viewer, these subtitles were generated by a machine via the service Trint and therefore are (very) buggy. If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/663 Thanks! 1 00:00:13,610 --> 00:00:15,379 Super welcome. 2 00:00:15,380 --> 00:00:18,139 Welcome to this lecture from 3 00:00:18,140 --> 00:00:19,939 I have to now have to look up here 4 00:00:19,940 --> 00:00:22,069 because it's Nick. I know Nick. 5 00:00:22,070 --> 00:00:24,139 I have to. I hope I pronounce your name 6 00:00:24,140 --> 00:00:26,479 right. It's Dabrowski. 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,479 Nick Dabrowski is born in the USSR. 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,459 I think it was USSR at the time. 9 00:00:31,460 --> 00:00:32,809 Yes, Phil. 10 00:00:32,810 --> 00:00:35,719 So not the Soviet Union, but the USSR. 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,879 And he moved over to 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,949 New York. I understood. 13 00:00:39,950 --> 00:00:41,869 And then the last six years living in 14 00:00:41,870 --> 00:00:42,870 Berlin. 15 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,589 She's an artist. 16 00:00:45,590 --> 00:00:47,749 And luckily, artists make our 17 00:00:47,750 --> 00:00:49,949 life better and try 18 00:00:49,950 --> 00:00:52,549 to give certain color and feeling 19 00:00:52,550 --> 00:00:53,659 to this world. 20 00:00:53,660 --> 00:00:55,099 She's next to being an artist. 21 00:00:55,100 --> 00:00:57,499 She's an engaged in projects 22 00:00:57,500 --> 00:00:58,579 like this one. 23 00:00:58,580 --> 00:00:59,839 Anthropology for kids. 24 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,419 And there is a project here 25 00:01:02,420 --> 00:01:03,919 that's going to be related. 26 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,019 In an open source book called 27 00:01:06,020 --> 00:01:07,790 What is privacy? What is privacy? 28 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,429 I'm going to give you the stage, I think. 29 00:01:12,430 --> 00:01:13,530 All right. Thank. 30 00:01:21,650 --> 00:01:23,719 So I'm working on this 31 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,569 project for a couple of years already. 32 00:01:26,570 --> 00:01:28,099 Yeah, I'm very happy to be here. 33 00:01:28,100 --> 00:01:31,009 And I'm not an experienced speaker, 34 00:01:31,010 --> 00:01:32,329 so I'm nervous. 35 00:01:32,330 --> 00:01:34,819 And yeah, I'm going to describe 36 00:01:34,820 --> 00:01:37,309 this project and hopefully get some 37 00:01:37,310 --> 00:01:39,769 advice or maybe find your collaborators. 38 00:01:41,450 --> 00:01:43,639 So I started to work on this 39 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,829 because I bought a 40 00:01:45,830 --> 00:01:47,959 book about pirates to my six years old 41 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,179 son who was learning to read, 42 00:01:50,180 --> 00:01:52,369 and I was hoping that it will be a 43 00:01:52,370 --> 00:01:54,529 dramatic book about first unrealistic 44 00:01:54,530 --> 00:01:56,899 communities with blot and 45 00:01:56,900 --> 00:01:59,629 all kind of amazing events. 46 00:01:59,630 --> 00:02:00,680 But it was 47 00:02:01,820 --> 00:02:03,589 quite opposite with those very close 48 00:02:03,590 --> 00:02:05,779 product, sugary 49 00:02:05,780 --> 00:02:08,329 and kitschy 50 00:02:08,330 --> 00:02:10,939 and completely, but 51 00:02:10,940 --> 00:02:12,199 nothing true. 52 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,059 So I was thinking, OK, actually, it's 53 00:02:14,060 --> 00:02:15,439 really great to do books 54 00:02:16,580 --> 00:02:18,979 for kids. But books that 55 00:02:18,980 --> 00:02:21,149 will talk about Dostoyevsky calls, 56 00:02:21,150 --> 00:02:23,479 cures questions, something 57 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,089 that every human being have to decide 58 00:02:26,090 --> 00:02:28,489 for themselves, which is family, 59 00:02:28,490 --> 00:02:30,710 which is death, which is 60 00:02:32,180 --> 00:02:34,169 LIBOR or what? 61 00:02:34,170 --> 00:02:36,259 Just money, for example, and what 62 00:02:36,260 --> 00:02:37,609 is privacy as well. 63 00:02:37,610 --> 00:02:40,009 So and then I started to do these books 64 00:02:40,010 --> 00:02:42,229 that kind of, 65 00:02:42,230 --> 00:02:44,809 oh, I understand them like a social 66 00:02:46,250 --> 00:02:47,749 hack into the social courts 67 00:02:49,010 --> 00:02:51,759 because we 68 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,869 when we get our education 69 00:02:53,870 --> 00:02:55,999 and when I saw my son 70 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,359 good and his education, we are 71 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,399 presented with again this close 72 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,499 product that then we 73 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:05,569 have to rehearsal and 74 00:03:05,570 --> 00:03:08,119 repeat. And it's very rarely 75 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,489 that the kids 76 00:03:10,490 --> 00:03:12,619 and adults as well are allowed 77 00:03:12,620 --> 00:03:14,689 to them to really 78 00:03:14,690 --> 00:03:16,939 take apart the major 79 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,629 important social ideas 80 00:03:20,630 --> 00:03:23,119 and then reconstruct, reconstruct 81 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,109 him for himself. 82 00:03:24,110 --> 00:03:25,849 And I want to say that one of the 83 00:03:25,850 --> 00:03:28,669 important influence for me was Soviet 84 00:03:28,670 --> 00:03:31,189 children's literature in the 1920s, 85 00:03:31,190 --> 00:03:33,199 and that was very important also for the 86 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:35,760 the beginning of 87 00:03:37,430 --> 00:03:39,439 construction of the revolutionary, the 88 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,539 Institute of Soviet People, because 89 00:03:41,540 --> 00:03:43,849 this identity of Soviet people didn't 90 00:03:43,850 --> 00:03:44,809 exist. 91 00:03:44,810 --> 00:03:47,239 So before 92 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,699 1937, the 93 00:03:49,700 --> 00:03:51,139 Stalin scrubbed 94 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,409 the Soviet 95 00:03:54,410 --> 00:03:55,909 children. Literature was really, really 96 00:03:55,910 --> 00:03:58,129 progressive and has a lot of 97 00:03:58,130 --> 00:03:59,919 qualities that I think 98 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:03,469 were important now. 99 00:04:04,820 --> 00:04:07,909 So the anthropology for kids is 100 00:04:07,910 --> 00:04:10,339 supposed to be a web project 101 00:04:10,340 --> 00:04:12,439 or were freely downloaded 102 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,599 books. That's also 103 00:04:15,620 --> 00:04:17,689 the bottom becasue 104 00:04:17,690 --> 00:04:19,939 kids in this 105 00:04:19,940 --> 00:04:22,849 is a doodle books that the 106 00:04:22,850 --> 00:04:25,039 kids can draw and 107 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,079 write in. 108 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,479 So the anthropological idea 109 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,639 that for each core 110 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,979 question like which is 111 00:04:33,980 --> 00:04:36,289 familiar, you can have many 112 00:04:36,290 --> 00:04:38,809 answers depending from which cultural 113 00:04:38,810 --> 00:04:41,059 background or historical time you come 114 00:04:41,060 --> 00:04:43,609 in. And in 115 00:04:43,610 --> 00:04:44,610 each of 116 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,649 this question, the the books 117 00:04:48,650 --> 00:04:50,090 provide in a framework 118 00:04:51,470 --> 00:04:54,049 where you can comment and draw 119 00:04:54,050 --> 00:04:56,749 in, imagine 120 00:04:56,750 --> 00:04:57,949 and construct your 121 00:05:00,050 --> 00:05:01,009 identity. 122 00:05:01,010 --> 00:05:02,869 So this is a book about history of 123 00:05:02,870 --> 00:05:05,179 protests in Russia and its whole course 124 00:05:05,180 --> 00:05:07,399 called History of Justice, because 125 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,949 it's not possible to 126 00:05:09,950 --> 00:05:12,229 publish and to do workshops with 127 00:05:12,230 --> 00:05:15,149 the protest books right now. 128 00:05:15,150 --> 00:05:17,519 And so this is a story 129 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,489 cases that describe in 130 00:05:20,810 --> 00:05:22,849 a different type of protest. 131 00:05:22,850 --> 00:05:25,399 And one part of the page is always 132 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,589 organize, like a school book where 133 00:05:27,590 --> 00:05:28,920 the child can 134 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:31,800 come. 135 00:05:32,270 --> 00:05:34,729 But in this case, not repeat it, 136 00:05:34,730 --> 00:05:35,730 but comment. 137 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,899 Then there, 138 00:05:40,900 --> 00:05:42,979 another book one of her books are doing 139 00:05:42,980 --> 00:05:45,149 is about privacy, and that's where this 140 00:05:46,340 --> 00:05:47,749 conversations here. 141 00:05:47,750 --> 00:05:49,999 So this is a different way 142 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,099 of relating to the 143 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:54,709 privacy, you know, from my presentation 144 00:05:54,710 --> 00:05:56,749 because the book is not finished yet. 145 00:05:56,750 --> 00:05:59,659 I'm going to share the ideas that 146 00:05:59,660 --> 00:06:02,299 I have about privacy now 147 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:03,410 and the term collection. 148 00:06:05,150 --> 00:06:07,219 So the privacy could be understood in 149 00:06:07,220 --> 00:06:08,329 the many different ways, 150 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,049 like level of access, 151 00:06:12,050 --> 00:06:14,179 exclusion, control over the body, home, 152 00:06:14,180 --> 00:06:15,500 public space and 153 00:06:16,730 --> 00:06:17,730 so on. 154 00:06:18,980 --> 00:06:21,349 But it also could be 155 00:06:21,350 --> 00:06:23,779 described as a 156 00:06:23,780 --> 00:06:26,329 privacy of the body and 157 00:06:26,330 --> 00:06:28,549 the privacy 158 00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:30,859 inside of the public. 159 00:06:30,860 --> 00:06:33,199 Space in the relationship between 160 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,210 public and private is one of 161 00:06:36,470 --> 00:06:38,629 the most important and 162 00:06:38,630 --> 00:06:39,630 fascinating 163 00:06:40,700 --> 00:06:42,889 subjects for me. 164 00:06:42,890 --> 00:06:45,019 So we know, we know 165 00:06:45,020 --> 00:06:47,369 that in Babylon, the privacy 166 00:06:47,370 --> 00:06:49,519 privacy was a privilege, 167 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,589 so only wealthy woman were able 168 00:06:51,590 --> 00:06:53,959 to cover their face and their hands, 169 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,329 and the prostitute or the poor woman 170 00:06:56,330 --> 00:06:58,729 actually have to, well, the obligate 171 00:06:58,730 --> 00:07:01,039 obliged to them 172 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,959 to go out of there or 173 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,019 uncover it in. 174 00:07:06,020 --> 00:07:08,089 It was a big punishment for not 175 00:07:08,090 --> 00:07:09,259 following the rules. 176 00:07:09,260 --> 00:07:11,539 So in Saudi Arabia, it's quite 177 00:07:11,540 --> 00:07:13,399 opposite. There of 178 00:07:14,490 --> 00:07:16,549 the appearances belong to the to the 179 00:07:16,550 --> 00:07:18,529 man of the woman. 180 00:07:18,530 --> 00:07:20,899 So they they must cover their face 181 00:07:20,900 --> 00:07:23,029 in now in Europe or 182 00:07:23,030 --> 00:07:24,319 one country have to know that 183 00:07:25,700 --> 00:07:28,009 the burqa is born 184 00:07:28,010 --> 00:07:30,199 in in order to protect 185 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,389 women and protect our understanding 186 00:07:32,390 --> 00:07:33,390 of what is 187 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,919 which is put. 188 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,059 Privacy is so precious. 189 00:07:39,060 --> 00:07:41,149 You of are this could become a problem 190 00:07:41,150 --> 00:07:43,310 for us. And this is a French 191 00:07:44,780 --> 00:07:47,539 beach. Last year, a woman 192 00:07:47,540 --> 00:07:49,669 who was within walking on the beach 193 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:50,750 in France, she was 194 00:07:53,510 --> 00:07:56,239 stopped by the armed police and 195 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,939 was forced to undress because 196 00:07:58,940 --> 00:08:01,129 French government passed 197 00:08:01,130 --> 00:08:03,389 a law against wearing 198 00:08:03,390 --> 00:08:04,459 Burkina. 199 00:08:04,460 --> 00:08:06,829 So this yeah, 200 00:08:06,830 --> 00:08:08,899 the privacy of others could be 201 00:08:08,900 --> 00:08:11,329 a threat, but could be understood 202 00:08:11,330 --> 00:08:13,699 as a threat as well. 203 00:08:13,700 --> 00:08:15,919 So this is a different way 204 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,139 of relating to privacy as a protesters. 205 00:08:19,140 --> 00:08:20,930 So the 206 00:08:22,490 --> 00:08:24,559 balaclavas has a 207 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,959 kind of a sign 208 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,449 that used to invite everybody 209 00:08:29,450 --> 00:08:31,609 to to to their struggle 210 00:08:31,610 --> 00:08:32,538 and to relate to them. 211 00:08:32,539 --> 00:08:34,639 It's also very 212 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,709 important tools that they 213 00:08:36,710 --> 00:08:37,710 use 214 00:08:39,230 --> 00:08:41,658 in order to be successful 215 00:08:41,659 --> 00:08:44,029 in their own struggles 216 00:08:44,030 --> 00:08:46,579 with the government because you 217 00:08:46,580 --> 00:08:49,609 actually gathered in to fight. 218 00:08:49,610 --> 00:08:51,409 So comandante Markus, so Guillaume, I 219 00:08:51,410 --> 00:08:53,859 because nobody can really prove 220 00:08:53,860 --> 00:08:56,479 it is here one person 221 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,579 or like, you know, somebody else. 222 00:08:58,580 --> 00:09:01,309 And this 223 00:09:01,310 --> 00:09:03,769 type of relationship to the privacy 224 00:09:03,770 --> 00:09:05,839 is also allowing them to create a 225 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,040 new collectivity 226 00:09:08,270 --> 00:09:10,339 that many people in 227 00:09:10,340 --> 00:09:11,340 the world can 228 00:09:13,220 --> 00:09:15,649 relate to. In this report, the take 229 00:09:15,650 --> 00:09:17,179 gorgeous. 230 00:09:17,180 --> 00:09:18,180 So we can then would 231 00:09:19,850 --> 00:09:21,409 protect it. 232 00:09:21,410 --> 00:09:23,509 So it is our Russian wish 233 00:09:23,510 --> 00:09:25,969 right to theatrical anonymity. 234 00:09:25,970 --> 00:09:27,020 This signals were 235 00:09:28,790 --> 00:09:29,719 not at to lock when you were. 236 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,479 My solution of a very well known 237 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,909 faces and names was public, 238 00:09:34,910 --> 00:09:36,619 and then they started to use this 239 00:09:36,620 --> 00:09:38,089 balaclavas. 240 00:09:38,090 --> 00:09:40,229 That mostly coverage, not them, but 241 00:09:40,230 --> 00:09:41,779 somebody else. 242 00:09:41,780 --> 00:09:44,449 So this is another 243 00:09:44,450 --> 00:09:47,210 way of private related to privacy. 244 00:09:49,070 --> 00:09:51,019 If you show in the public space some 245 00:09:51,020 --> 00:09:53,239 parts that are considered to be private 246 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,549 and forbidden, even 247 00:09:55,550 --> 00:09:57,769 then you really talking to the media. 248 00:09:57,770 --> 00:09:59,689 And by doing that, you can hook into the 249 00:09:59,690 --> 00:10:01,879 public space and deliver some 250 00:10:03,830 --> 00:10:06,209 agenda that would be difficult 251 00:10:06,210 --> 00:10:08,059 to do otherwise. 252 00:10:08,060 --> 00:10:10,399 And now looks the big fashion industry 253 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:11,400 is also 254 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,169 a kind of 255 00:10:15,170 --> 00:10:17,209 full on this agenda, and it's a lot of 256 00:10:17,210 --> 00:10:18,210 projects that 257 00:10:19,460 --> 00:10:20,460 are 258 00:10:21,620 --> 00:10:23,869 helping us or could help us if 259 00:10:23,870 --> 00:10:26,209 we want to control our visibility 260 00:10:26,210 --> 00:10:28,669 and to to really change 261 00:10:28,670 --> 00:10:30,739 the way how we 262 00:10:30,740 --> 00:10:33,409 relate to our appearance 263 00:10:33,410 --> 00:10:35,749 on the fly so we can change our gender 264 00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:37,940 or age. 265 00:10:39,340 --> 00:10:41,409 Or whatever we really want to 266 00:10:41,410 --> 00:10:42,579 change. 267 00:10:42,580 --> 00:10:44,590 So I grew up in Soviet Union, and 268 00:10:45,700 --> 00:10:47,559 of course, it was the most important 269 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:50,139 private public relationship 270 00:10:50,140 --> 00:10:51,889 in this country, for example, the way how 271 00:10:51,890 --> 00:10:52,960 Soviet people look 272 00:10:54,340 --> 00:10:55,509 was very known. 273 00:10:55,510 --> 00:10:57,669 So we kind of were all very much 274 00:10:57,670 --> 00:10:58,929 the same. And that if you see the 275 00:10:58,930 --> 00:11:01,209 foreigners who Leningrad, when 276 00:11:01,210 --> 00:11:03,429 I grew up, then they would be 277 00:11:03,430 --> 00:11:05,619 the colorful people who immediately stuck 278 00:11:05,620 --> 00:11:08,019 out in the crowd. 279 00:11:08,020 --> 00:11:10,329 Well, so many people who lived in this 280 00:11:10,330 --> 00:11:12,819 famous communal apartment that 281 00:11:12,820 --> 00:11:14,079 they didn't cure choice. 282 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,759 Then they chose their neighbors. 283 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,249 It wasn't to Berlin. 284 00:11:18,250 --> 00:11:20,889 It's more or less some special 285 00:11:20,890 --> 00:11:22,899 way of being collective. 286 00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:25,329 And of course, we have 287 00:11:25,330 --> 00:11:27,589 mass surveillance that now looks like 288 00:11:27,590 --> 00:11:29,199 very innocent because the government 289 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,329 relied on their friends and 290 00:11:31,330 --> 00:11:33,909 neighbors, children and the children in 291 00:11:33,910 --> 00:11:36,129 until such a moment 292 00:11:36,130 --> 00:11:38,649 when I grew up in Beijing. 293 00:11:38,650 --> 00:11:41,109 That's practice wasn't popular anymore. 294 00:11:41,110 --> 00:11:43,209 So some people are saying the Soviet 295 00:11:43,210 --> 00:11:44,799 Union was defeated by the 296 00:11:47,260 --> 00:11:49,629 citizens telling the joke about so 297 00:11:49,630 --> 00:11:51,100 to each other about Soviet 298 00:11:52,570 --> 00:11:53,570 regime. 299 00:11:54,370 --> 00:11:57,699 And of course, Lenin was our collective 300 00:11:57,700 --> 00:12:00,359 grandfather. The Taurus, which which 301 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,360 forms 302 00:12:03,670 --> 00:12:05,949 an important part of 303 00:12:05,950 --> 00:12:08,049 the Soviet elite, 304 00:12:08,050 --> 00:12:10,179 was in and the artists and 305 00:12:10,180 --> 00:12:12,669 the Georgians who 306 00:12:12,670 --> 00:12:14,979 have been over this successfully fought 307 00:12:14,980 --> 00:12:18,159 for their artistic autonomy 308 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,829 and against the forced collectivity. 309 00:12:20,830 --> 00:12:22,569 Here's like, perform a very famous 310 00:12:22,570 --> 00:12:24,640 performance of your courage 311 00:12:26,620 --> 00:12:28,719 in the so 312 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:29,129 sitting 313 00:12:29,130 --> 00:12:31,430 in the back seat. 314 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,160 So. 315 00:12:40,710 --> 00:12:42,779 So this term, 316 00:12:42,780 --> 00:12:45,119 this was a generation 317 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,279 decision to not just was a generation of 318 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,039 my parents 319 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,269 and oh, 320 00:12:52,500 --> 00:12:55,169 by the time I grow, they looks to me very 321 00:12:55,170 --> 00:12:57,869 heroic and important. 322 00:12:57,870 --> 00:12:58,870 And then 323 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,339 when it was socialism to come, 324 00:13:02,340 --> 00:13:04,439 then I kind 325 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,199 of little bit reconsider my position. 326 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,299 So this is a performance of the 327 00:13:09,300 --> 00:13:11,429 artist who Moscow just way 328 00:13:11,430 --> 00:13:14,069 too close to, mostly with the 329 00:13:14,070 --> 00:13:16,139 Leninist who still is. 330 00:13:16,140 --> 00:13:17,459 So this is a cake. 331 00:13:17,460 --> 00:13:19,889 And the the people 332 00:13:19,890 --> 00:13:21,539 who were invited to it, it was. 333 00:13:23,070 --> 00:13:25,919 It was an art gallery, some private 334 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,959 club crowd, including some kids. 335 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,779 So they successfully to 336 00:13:30,780 --> 00:13:33,689 o collective great grandfather. 337 00:13:33,690 --> 00:13:35,849 And that's how like, I think 338 00:13:35,850 --> 00:13:37,229 for me took a very, very 339 00:13:38,310 --> 00:13:41,159 brutal and successful image 340 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,259 of how the privatization 341 00:13:43,260 --> 00:13:46,259 actually happens in 342 00:13:46,260 --> 00:13:48,659 Soviet countries. 343 00:13:48,660 --> 00:13:51,269 So in this this called Leningrad 344 00:13:51,270 --> 00:13:53,369 looked in the nineties a lot of 345 00:13:53,370 --> 00:13:55,469 the small places where people sell 346 00:13:55,470 --> 00:13:56,479 each other everything. 347 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,479 Well, total total. 348 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,029 Um, total 349 00:14:03,030 --> 00:14:04,349 privatization. 350 00:14:04,350 --> 00:14:06,449 And another good example 351 00:14:06,450 --> 00:14:08,879 of a relationship between private 352 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,999 and public was this two guys? 353 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,029 One of them on the left. 354 00:14:12,030 --> 00:14:14,039 His name was Mikhail Verbinski. 355 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,289 He's an author of 356 00:14:16,290 --> 00:14:18,479 a book called Sino Copyright, 357 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,789 where he explained his time 358 00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:22,139 in Russian work, which was Richard 359 00:14:22,140 --> 00:14:23,140 Stallman and 360 00:14:24,780 --> 00:14:26,729 no license. And all of this important 361 00:14:26,730 --> 00:14:28,949 things. He's also 362 00:14:28,950 --> 00:14:30,839 a successful mathematician. 363 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,000 He was making he is making money go and 364 00:14:34,230 --> 00:14:35,789 working in the Western universe, just 365 00:14:35,790 --> 00:14:37,289 given lectures. 366 00:14:37,290 --> 00:14:39,539 So the guy on the right watch 367 00:14:39,540 --> 00:14:41,669 list from Russian, it can translate like 368 00:14:41,670 --> 00:14:42,899 being scary. 369 00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:45,179 In his oh, 370 00:14:45,180 --> 00:14:48,419 he organized company calls Bertolucci 371 00:14:48,420 --> 00:14:50,879 in which the sole sole purpose 372 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,099 of this company was 373 00:14:53,100 --> 00:14:54,379 paid in the rights for. 374 00:14:54,380 --> 00:14:57,179 They destroyed the trademark 375 00:14:57,180 --> 00:14:59,279 on his beard and he was shooting 376 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,859 other people or for wearing 377 00:15:01,860 --> 00:15:04,529 a bearded that he thinks looks like his. 378 00:15:04,530 --> 00:15:05,999 So this Verbinski was moved. 379 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,189 He stopped in the airport and 380 00:15:08,190 --> 00:15:10,469 was because he has an open court 381 00:15:10,470 --> 00:15:11,639 case against him. 382 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,669 I'm supposed to pay him for around $10000 383 00:15:14,670 --> 00:15:17,159 because he was announced 384 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:18,160 that him 385 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,709 violated the copyright of Mr. 386 00:15:22,710 --> 00:15:23,969 Gotch on the beard. 387 00:15:23,970 --> 00:15:25,919 And he wrote on his blog, like, it's 388 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,289 looks like a joke, but it's actually not. 389 00:15:28,290 --> 00:15:30,659 And then he actually did pay 390 00:15:30,660 --> 00:15:32,729 to it. 391 00:15:32,730 --> 00:15:34,469 I don't know if you succeed to Alito, 392 00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:36,659 somehow get 393 00:15:36,660 --> 00:15:39,079 out of that, but it was like 394 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:39,989 a big deal. 395 00:15:39,990 --> 00:15:42,089 So and 396 00:15:42,090 --> 00:15:43,090 I think what 397 00:15:45,420 --> 00:15:47,190 happens now with this, like total 398 00:15:49,830 --> 00:15:52,529 privatization of our privacy everywhere 399 00:15:52,530 --> 00:15:55,139 is that it's again become 400 00:15:55,140 --> 00:15:57,390 a human rights issue very much 401 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,449 as it was during the Soviet times, which 402 00:16:00,450 --> 00:16:02,339 on a completely different scale. 403 00:16:02,340 --> 00:16:04,589 So in Soviet times, so really innocent 404 00:16:04,590 --> 00:16:05,590 and 405 00:16:07,710 --> 00:16:09,789 home like 406 00:16:09,790 --> 00:16:10,790 Putin, 407 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:14,249 it was especially 408 00:16:14,250 --> 00:16:16,589 the times when I grew up in 409 00:16:16,590 --> 00:16:18,959 a house in 410 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:19,960 which I'm 411 00:16:22,020 --> 00:16:24,269 thinking by doing these 412 00:16:24,270 --> 00:16:25,270 books is 413 00:16:27,390 --> 00:16:29,729 like how, what, what, what could be done 414 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,059 in order to to 415 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,109 to prevent it from developing. 416 00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:38,129 And they want. 417 00:16:38,130 --> 00:16:41,009 One of the things that 418 00:16:41,010 --> 00:16:43,019 I think is very important is 419 00:16:45,390 --> 00:16:47,709 to try to develop 420 00:16:47,710 --> 00:16:48,710 the tools 421 00:16:50,220 --> 00:16:52,529 for some kind of social hack 422 00:16:52,530 --> 00:16:54,749 in organizing the social 423 00:16:54,750 --> 00:16:56,939 crypt, the parties with kids and 424 00:16:56,940 --> 00:16:59,339 with everybody else, where 425 00:16:59,340 --> 00:17:00,649 the um, 426 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,399 where the different ideas of 427 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,588 how we can relate, for 428 00:17:07,589 --> 00:17:10,259 example, to privacy could be distributed 429 00:17:10,260 --> 00:17:12,568 on a very large scale 430 00:17:12,569 --> 00:17:14,430 and become understandable 431 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:16,769 to other people. 432 00:17:16,770 --> 00:17:18,838 So I took an interview and publish it in 433 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:19,839 Russian 434 00:17:21,150 --> 00:17:23,729 media from the David Stayton, 435 00:17:23,730 --> 00:17:25,559 one of my friends in Berlin. 436 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,509 And so he was telling them this interview 437 00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:30,029 that sir, 438 00:17:30,030 --> 00:17:31,880 if we will have a 439 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,189 certain percentage of people not even be 440 00:17:36,190 --> 00:17:37,979 cool, use encryption in the. 441 00:17:37,980 --> 00:17:39,179 Private communication communications will 442 00:17:39,180 --> 00:17:41,459 be too expensive 443 00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:43,169 for government to spy on us, and the 444 00:17:43,170 --> 00:17:45,329 question is why it didn't happen, why we 445 00:17:45,330 --> 00:17:47,699 don't use encryption in this 446 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:50,399 amount of people, why don't why don't we 447 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,139 all just join the crowd in? 448 00:17:52,140 --> 00:17:54,659 One thing says encryption is complicated 449 00:17:54,660 --> 00:17:56,819 to use, but actually, probably 450 00:17:56,820 --> 00:17:58,169 it's not a wrong answer. 451 00:17:58,170 --> 00:18:00,449 It's the real answer is that's how 452 00:18:00,450 --> 00:18:02,639 we understand our collectivity, 453 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,069 that we don't need to use encryption 454 00:18:05,070 --> 00:18:07,439 so that our privacy is not really 455 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,549 so important to 456 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:10,679 to protect. 457 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:11,680 And 458 00:18:13,290 --> 00:18:15,509 so coming back to the Soviet children's 459 00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:16,469 literature. 460 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:18,539 I think these guys who are very 461 00:18:18,540 --> 00:18:20,609 active in the way, how they 462 00:18:21,870 --> 00:18:24,539 how they distribute 463 00:18:24,540 --> 00:18:26,969 their revolutionary ideas 464 00:18:26,970 --> 00:18:29,699 in one vast 465 00:18:29,700 --> 00:18:31,769 and hundreds of millions of 466 00:18:31,770 --> 00:18:34,109 people to 467 00:18:34,110 --> 00:18:36,299 live in the Russian Empire empire 468 00:18:36,300 --> 00:18:38,459 in 1917 to 469 00:18:38,460 --> 00:18:40,439 a revolution had hope on Sunday, 470 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,929 immediately after the switch evolution 471 00:18:42,930 --> 00:18:44,309 introduce a 472 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:46,619 they call it here. 473 00:18:46,620 --> 00:18:47,620 Like the 474 00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:51,869 social equality, the 475 00:18:51,870 --> 00:18:53,729 accommodates this huge amount of people 476 00:18:53,730 --> 00:18:56,009 who came from from villages 477 00:18:56,010 --> 00:18:58,349 during the Civil War and 478 00:18:58,350 --> 00:18:59,369 give them jobs and 479 00:19:00,930 --> 00:19:03,149 feed to them and the basic 480 00:19:03,150 --> 00:19:05,339 rights. And so, you know, Soviet Union 481 00:19:05,340 --> 00:19:06,340 was 482 00:19:08,790 --> 00:19:09,790 preserved. 483 00:19:10,590 --> 00:19:12,929 So like in the previous 484 00:19:12,930 --> 00:19:15,119 book, I'm going to speak to one 485 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:16,649 of the experts. I'm going to speak with 486 00:19:16,650 --> 00:19:18,869 Michelle Kosinski, who's this 487 00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:21,599 guy from Cambridge 488 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:22,889 Psychometrics. 489 00:19:22,890 --> 00:19:25,259 It's a company. It's not a company. 490 00:19:25,260 --> 00:19:27,339 It's a part of the university that 491 00:19:27,340 --> 00:19:29,249 to later become a model for Cambridge 492 00:19:29,250 --> 00:19:31,230 Analytica, the company that 493 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,009 created a software that apparently was 494 00:19:35,010 --> 00:19:37,529 used for the Brexit selection 495 00:19:37,530 --> 00:19:39,989 political campaign and for the 496 00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:41,369 election of Trump. 497 00:19:41,370 --> 00:19:43,679 And so Michelle 498 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,169 Kosinski was up to 499 00:19:46,170 --> 00:19:47,179 him here 500 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:49,840 and 501 00:19:51,450 --> 00:19:53,400 created his program of 502 00:19:55,620 --> 00:19:57,719 getting information from social network 503 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,279 on a big scale about people. 504 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,099 He was going around and wouldn't Woodham 505 00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:04,439 that it could be used for 506 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,509 for lack of very 507 00:20:06,510 --> 00:20:08,309 harmful things. 508 00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:11,069 So he has seen the term didn't 509 00:20:11,070 --> 00:20:12,929 build the bomb, but just showed that it 510 00:20:12,930 --> 00:20:15,689 could be could be 511 00:20:15,690 --> 00:20:17,759 built, which 512 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,049 could be harmful. 513 00:20:19,050 --> 00:20:21,179 And yeah, so 514 00:20:21,180 --> 00:20:23,489 I was thinking that maybe here 515 00:20:23,490 --> 00:20:25,829 in Congress, I can find out also somebody 516 00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:28,409 who will participate 517 00:20:28,410 --> 00:20:30,989 in some ways of 518 00:20:30,990 --> 00:20:32,970 making this privacy book more 519 00:20:35,490 --> 00:20:36,399 like better. 520 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,609 But maybe given this different form, not 521 00:20:38,610 --> 00:20:40,889 be in the book, but being some kind of 522 00:20:40,890 --> 00:20:42,329 small piece of software that can 523 00:20:42,330 --> 00:20:44,759 distribute through the social network 524 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,189 and then the people. Not only can 525 00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:49,349 can answer this question, a lot 526 00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:51,299 of questions could deter regionally, but 527 00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:52,619 they can see the answers. 528 00:20:52,620 --> 00:20:54,930 For example, if they see that, 529 00:20:56,190 --> 00:20:58,679 like, I wouldn't care about my privacy, 530 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,229 I wouldn't spend time in crypto anymore. 531 00:21:01,230 --> 00:21:03,299 And then he will say, OK, if like 20 532 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:05,789 percent of the people will answer, I will 533 00:21:05,790 --> 00:21:07,979 then most surveillance in if like 534 00:21:07,980 --> 00:21:10,919 13 percent of people will answer 535 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,479 that we don't care and, you know, 536 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,919 surveillance everywhere. 537 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,079 So maybe some people like that which 538 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,670 could do good work, 539 00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:20,520 and maybe that's that's it. 540 00:21:28,970 --> 00:21:31,489 Nicole Dabrowski, fine, 541 00:21:31,490 --> 00:21:32,490 thank you. 542 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:34,999 That was great. Actually, I have a 543 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,739 personally, I have a first question and I 544 00:21:36,740 --> 00:21:38,119 would love to see some other corrections 545 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,699 here as well. First, the practical thing, 546 00:21:40,700 --> 00:21:42,229 I understood that the next lecture will 547 00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:44,719 not go through, so we have some more 548 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,939 time to discuss and maybe 549 00:21:46,940 --> 00:21:48,739 find that collaborators that you were 550 00:21:48,740 --> 00:21:50,059 looking for. 551 00:21:50,060 --> 00:21:52,159 But one practical question you 552 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,919 did some sessions with kids to 553 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:55,789 make this month 554 00:21:55,790 --> 00:21:57,889 or two for privacy, yet 555 00:21:57,890 --> 00:22:00,139 not for privacy yet are the books 556 00:22:00,140 --> 00:22:02,419 like Crime and Punishment and Protest 557 00:22:02,420 --> 00:22:04,579 Books. Some of the books are 558 00:22:04,580 --> 00:22:06,129 familiar. 559 00:22:06,130 --> 00:22:08,359 OK. On a small scale 560 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:10,429 and in Berlin or before in New 561 00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:11,930 York, where you were staying. 562 00:22:13,130 --> 00:22:15,409 So the way the workshops were done 563 00:22:15,410 --> 00:22:17,749 on the workshop is a big, important 564 00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:19,700 part. So you kind of 565 00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:23,329 said important to to to 566 00:22:23,330 --> 00:22:25,579 look at the kids eye to eye, not just 567 00:22:25,580 --> 00:22:27,229 to impose on them some knowledge, but 568 00:22:27,230 --> 00:22:29,299 then to to make them allow 569 00:22:29,300 --> 00:22:30,949 them to draw and write and then maybe 570 00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:32,419 introduce something in the book. 571 00:22:32,420 --> 00:22:34,609 So I did a projection in 572 00:22:34,610 --> 00:22:36,709 Russian and the process book is 573 00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:39,169 for South Africa, and 574 00:22:39,170 --> 00:22:41,479 I did two tours workshops in Berlin. 575 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,459 OK, so that was my next question what is 576 00:22:43,460 --> 00:22:44,899 your actually your audience? 577 00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:47,119 Because before this lecture, you told 578 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:50,059 me, like, we are all kids still 579 00:22:50,060 --> 00:22:51,229 in a way. 580 00:22:51,230 --> 00:22:53,209 Yeah, it's mean. Like kids are mature. 581 00:22:53,210 --> 00:22:55,729 Yeah. So if you some, if I will look, 582 00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:58,099 I will be described how to encrypt 583 00:22:58,100 --> 00:23:00,499 my email. I will be a much less capable 584 00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:02,479 than my 14 years old son. 585 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,579 OK, so you have this little kit there 586 00:23:04,580 --> 00:23:06,199 in the back that I heard that would be 587 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,359 joining your party next to all the other 588 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:09,360 kits here? 589 00:23:10,850 --> 00:23:12,319 Is there someone who has a question for 590 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,929 Chanukah guys, 591 00:23:14,930 --> 00:23:15,930 girls? 592 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,240 Android's 593 00:23:19,670 --> 00:23:21,799 boss, someone 594 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,800 there on the Web. 595 00:23:24,430 --> 00:23:25,539 No one. 596 00:23:25,540 --> 00:23:27,249 OK, then I have to come up with another 597 00:23:27,250 --> 00:23:28,250 question. 598 00:23:29,540 --> 00:23:30,889 How do we use that book? 599 00:23:30,890 --> 00:23:32,449 When is it there, when it will be 600 00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:34,099 published? It's open source, I 601 00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:34,939 understood. 602 00:23:34,940 --> 00:23:37,609 Yeah, just put it on 603 00:23:37,610 --> 00:23:40,099 Wiki kids, be kids, you and then 604 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:41,449 when can we find this? 605 00:23:41,450 --> 00:23:42,589 Yes. 606 00:23:42,590 --> 00:23:43,590 The 607 00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:46,759 Oh, it's a website where 608 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,859 you can download it. But we also put it 609 00:23:48,860 --> 00:23:50,929 on Mickey Kizza 610 00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:53,039 website. There's a for kids that 611 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:53,899 talk 612 00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:55,479 a for kids dot 613 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,899 dot dot dot 614 00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:58,819 dot org or. 615 00:23:58,820 --> 00:23:59,909 OK. 616 00:23:59,910 --> 00:24:02,419 Um, so my question was then 617 00:24:02,420 --> 00:24:04,400 when can we see this, 618 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,619 when this book will be done? 619 00:24:06,620 --> 00:24:08,509 Hope like three months 620 00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:10,030 and three months, something like that. 621 00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:13,279 Other people hear what I like to 622 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,929 collaborate. Probably will. 623 00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:16,609 They will connect you after this lecture. 624 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,940 No one here has a question. 625 00:24:22,380 --> 00:24:23,699 I feel guilty. 626 00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:24,700 Oh my God. 627 00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:27,599 Hey, thank you very much, Nick. 628 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,239 Once again, I hope to talk like later 629 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,240 with you.