0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Dear viewer, these subtitles were generated by a machine via the service Trint and therefore are (very) buggy. If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/89 Thanks! 1 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,619 Yeah, thanks for introduction, and also 2 00:00:13,620 --> 00:00:15,779 thanks for having me talking here today. 3 00:00:15,780 --> 00:00:17,879 It's a it's quite a pleasure and 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,039 an honor, and I've been coming to 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,499 this event for many years already and 6 00:00:22,500 --> 00:00:25,049 also doing. I've been doing stuff here 7 00:00:25,050 --> 00:00:26,519 over the years. 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,619 So you might recognize this or the 9 00:00:28,620 --> 00:00:29,620 other projects. 10 00:00:31,170 --> 00:00:33,539 Yeah. Thanks for autumn beauty having 11 00:00:33,540 --> 00:00:34,540 me. I think it's great. 12 00:00:35,940 --> 00:00:37,559 Just for reference, I think this is one 13 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,839 of the well, I I studied. 14 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,579 I came to Berlin in the mid-nineties and 15 00:00:41,580 --> 00:00:43,859 I studied architecture at the Eureka, 16 00:00:43,860 --> 00:00:46,019 the University of Arts in Berlin. 17 00:00:46,020 --> 00:00:48,779 And yeah, I think 97 18 00:00:48,780 --> 00:00:50,909 or 98, the Congress moved to Berlin 19 00:00:50,910 --> 00:00:51,909 from here. 20 00:00:51,910 --> 00:00:54,389 Um, and I 21 00:00:54,390 --> 00:00:57,719 came. It's like a real like a 22 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,089 I think it's an important stepping 23 00:01:00,090 --> 00:01:01,469 stone. I don't know, like the foreign 24 00:01:01,470 --> 00:01:04,169 part of my influence and my artistic 25 00:01:04,170 --> 00:01:05,219 career. Sort of. 26 00:01:07,170 --> 00:01:09,149 Yeah, we were an art school. 27 00:01:09,150 --> 00:01:10,349 We were, I don't know. 28 00:01:10,350 --> 00:01:13,319 We were still trying to draw ink plans 29 00:01:13,320 --> 00:01:15,569 and architecture while there was 30 00:01:15,570 --> 00:01:16,769 an internet coming up. 31 00:01:16,770 --> 00:01:19,229 Super interesting, I went over to the 32 00:01:19,230 --> 00:01:21,269 technical campus to write emails. 33 00:01:21,270 --> 00:01:23,129 One friend I knew of had an email address 34 00:01:23,130 --> 00:01:24,899 in Hamburg, and it was way more 35 00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:26,969 interesting to, I don't know, to 36 00:01:26,970 --> 00:01:29,069 design a house and then to play. 37 00:01:29,070 --> 00:01:31,499 I don't know some game loaded 38 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:33,599 into some game and play in there instead 39 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:34,529 of drawing by ink. 40 00:01:34,530 --> 00:01:36,599 So I was always torn in 41 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,759 between, yeah, learning this 42 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,409 like very old craft. 43 00:01:40,410 --> 00:01:42,599 And at the same time, there was something 44 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,539 super interesting happening. 45 00:01:44,540 --> 00:01:46,739 Um, and then there's always these moments 46 00:01:46,740 --> 00:01:48,809 and probably you all know this when when 47 00:01:48,810 --> 00:01:50,069 you. 48 00:01:50,070 --> 00:01:51,929 I did, I did. We did tons of projects 49 00:01:51,930 --> 00:01:54,539 like a lot of 3D, a lot of video stuff, 50 00:01:54,540 --> 00:01:56,639 etc. and we were quite free to do what 51 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:57,869 we wanted to do. 52 00:01:57,870 --> 00:02:00,299 And then I had this moment where I lost 53 00:02:00,300 --> 00:02:02,489 parents, CD-ROMs and you use data 54 00:02:02,490 --> 00:02:04,229 because you left Typekit still like the 55 00:02:04,230 --> 00:02:05,549 backups not working. 56 00:02:05,550 --> 00:02:07,739 And suddenly, like, Oh wow, like with 57 00:02:07,740 --> 00:02:09,508 all these projects like Where's the 58 00:02:09,509 --> 00:02:11,999 beauty I made and the 3D stuff 59 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,159 and I developed that 60 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,739 need to to make these things tangible, 61 00:02:16,740 --> 00:02:17,669 touchable again. 62 00:02:17,670 --> 00:02:19,709 And this is like, what? 63 00:02:19,710 --> 00:02:22,169 Yeah, big part of my artist's 64 00:02:22,170 --> 00:02:24,449 practice or like my my 65 00:02:24,450 --> 00:02:26,609 main mission like to discuss this 66 00:02:26,610 --> 00:02:28,469 online offline relationship. 67 00:02:28,470 --> 00:02:30,809 And I'm going to show like 68 00:02:30,810 --> 00:02:32,759 some very classic projects you might have 69 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,859 seen online at some 70 00:02:34,860 --> 00:02:36,929 point. And then I also will go more 71 00:02:36,930 --> 00:02:39,119 into CCC related and 72 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,429 more to the fun stuff later on. 73 00:02:41,430 --> 00:02:43,799 So just yeah, the 74 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,929 typical project, it's called map. 75 00:02:45,930 --> 00:02:48,059 It's a it's all Google 76 00:02:48,060 --> 00:02:49,559 Maps, and it's about this Google map 77 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,059 marker here in the middle. 78 00:02:51,060 --> 00:02:53,159 And I started this in 79 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,199 2006. It's about, I mean, it's an 80 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:56,669 interface object. It's sitting on the 81 00:02:56,670 --> 00:02:58,769 screen. When you zoom in, it kind of 82 00:02:58,770 --> 00:03:00,869 stays at the same pixel size, but you 83 00:03:00,870 --> 00:03:02,399 cast the shadow at the same time. 84 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,989 Like the more you zoom in, the more it 85 00:03:03,990 --> 00:03:05,549 becomes part of the city. 86 00:03:05,550 --> 00:03:07,679 So I I started to make this 87 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,139 in 2006, where it was really 88 00:03:10,140 --> 00:03:11,279 still like 89 00:03:12,330 --> 00:03:14,219 kind of this. This blurring boundary 90 00:03:14,220 --> 00:03:16,229 discussion like kind of kind of started 91 00:03:16,230 --> 00:03:18,029 off for me was quite, yeah, very 92 00:03:18,030 --> 00:03:19,079 important. 93 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,329 Today, these these sculptures 94 00:03:21,330 --> 00:03:23,039 and I've been showing this project a lot 95 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,529 over the past seven, eight years 96 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,489 here in Taiwan, Taipei 97 00:03:29,490 --> 00:03:31,229 or, yeah, in 98 00:03:32,340 --> 00:03:34,649 France, two years ago. 99 00:03:34,650 --> 00:03:36,929 It's like it's very it's very much 100 00:03:36,930 --> 00:03:39,149 about this irritating moment like, Oh 101 00:03:39,150 --> 00:03:41,609 yeah, I know this icon 102 00:03:41,610 --> 00:03:43,529 very well, but wait a second, what is it 103 00:03:43,530 --> 00:03:44,579 doing here? 104 00:03:44,580 --> 00:03:46,829 And we're very used to, 105 00:03:46,830 --> 00:03:48,809 I don't know, use all these tools and be 106 00:03:48,810 --> 00:03:50,459 online. At the same time, we are still 107 00:03:50,460 --> 00:03:52,499 made of humans, made of flesh and walk in 108 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:53,879 the city, and there's different rules 109 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,189 going on there. So I like to kind 110 00:03:56,190 --> 00:03:58,619 of break in between these boundaries 111 00:03:58,620 --> 00:04:00,449 and at the same time, of course, today 112 00:04:00,450 --> 00:04:02,549 and it's sort of like this this piece 113 00:04:02,550 --> 00:04:04,619 for me. It's like already historical in 114 00:04:04,620 --> 00:04:06,899 the sense that we overcame 115 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:09,119 that point a long time ago already, 116 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,620 especially with you guys. 117 00:04:11,660 --> 00:04:13,919 And I, 118 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,989 yeah, this is like the recent recent 119 00:04:15,990 --> 00:04:17,999 set up in Casa, where I had a show in 120 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,620 October, September, October, 121 00:04:21,060 --> 00:04:23,579 and Google is not building these 122 00:04:23,580 --> 00:04:24,509 markers, right? 123 00:04:24,510 --> 00:04:26,909 But they they are super important 124 00:04:26,910 --> 00:04:29,009 and they're occupying 125 00:04:29,010 --> 00:04:31,409 that location, this whole location 126 00:04:31,410 --> 00:04:33,249 story with, with search, etc. 127 00:04:33,250 --> 00:04:35,459 So I think it's just a question of time. 128 00:04:35,460 --> 00:04:37,589 So they will enter like public market 129 00:04:37,590 --> 00:04:40,049 marketing with face recognition. 130 00:04:40,050 --> 00:04:41,459 I read somewhere in England, this is 131 00:04:41,460 --> 00:04:43,409 already coming like the the camera on 132 00:04:43,410 --> 00:04:45,209 top, like having targeted you. 133 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,569 So it's really the step into the 134 00:04:48,570 --> 00:04:50,189 physical is coming in a different way, 135 00:04:50,190 --> 00:04:52,529 but it kind of represents 136 00:04:52,530 --> 00:04:55,019 how important it is here and 137 00:04:55,020 --> 00:04:57,659 and all these markers in these cases. 138 00:04:57,660 --> 00:04:59,669 It's always the city center. 139 00:04:59,670 --> 00:05:01,769 So I when you google for and 140 00:05:01,770 --> 00:05:03,239 also when you Google for Hamburg, I don't 141 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,309 know what pops up here, but I always 142 00:05:05,310 --> 00:05:07,079 have the goal to put it exactly at the 143 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,089 place where Google claims the city center 144 00:05:09,090 --> 00:05:10,499 to be and wow. 145 00:05:10,500 --> 00:05:12,209 Yeah. Is this a city center, so it's 146 00:05:12,210 --> 00:05:14,429 really also some 147 00:05:14,430 --> 00:05:16,199 programmer put it there because the name 148 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,239 is there, but sometimes it's in the main 149 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:19,439 square, but not always. 150 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,440 So 151 00:05:22,230 --> 00:05:23,879 I played a lot of computer games. 152 00:05:24,990 --> 00:05:26,849 Yeah, I grew up with computer games. 153 00:05:26,850 --> 00:05:28,589 This is counterstrike. 154 00:05:28,590 --> 00:05:30,839 The map called dust, and 155 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:32,759 it's the last game I really played 156 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,949 excessively 10 years ago or more than 157 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:36,029 10 years ago. 158 00:05:36,030 --> 00:05:38,219 What I like very much about these 159 00:05:38,220 --> 00:05:39,329 games? 160 00:05:39,330 --> 00:05:40,920 Yeah. When you when you look at them 161 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,679 and compare it to movies, you need to 162 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,779 know the map and the the 163 00:05:45,780 --> 00:05:47,849 architecture very, very well 164 00:05:47,850 --> 00:05:48,809 to survive on there. 165 00:05:48,810 --> 00:05:50,879 So it's not like a movie where you 166 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,099 talk about the same atmosphere scenes 167 00:05:53,100 --> 00:05:54,749 or what happened with the plot. 168 00:05:54,750 --> 00:05:56,429 The plot itself, I would say in these 169 00:05:56,430 --> 00:05:58,079 like especially like these kind of first 170 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,849 person shooter games, there's no plot. 171 00:05:59,850 --> 00:06:01,499 It's just like fighting each other, 172 00:06:01,500 --> 00:06:03,929 right? But the 173 00:06:03,930 --> 00:06:06,179 the architecture and the space itself 174 00:06:06,180 --> 00:06:08,399 unfold as a plot and you need to 175 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:09,959 like when you ever played one of these 176 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,009 games. 177 00:06:11,010 --> 00:06:13,139 You will always recognize 178 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:15,329 like the space and, you know, will know 179 00:06:15,330 --> 00:06:17,489 exactly what's right behind that door on 180 00:06:17,490 --> 00:06:19,679 your right. And and just 181 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,689 to survive in there, it's super crucial 182 00:06:21,690 --> 00:06:23,999 to to know the map by heart. 183 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,099 And as humans also, we are trained 184 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:27,059 to remember space. 185 00:06:27,060 --> 00:06:28,409 I mean, I still have trouble in this 186 00:06:28,410 --> 00:06:30,479 building here kind of right with all 187 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,549 the stairs, and I kind of get it with the 188 00:06:32,550 --> 00:06:34,079 two big rooms next to each other. 189 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,179 But yeah, so 190 00:06:36,180 --> 00:06:38,099 we got lost here or in the airport. 191 00:06:38,100 --> 00:06:40,139 You pass every, I don't know, once a 192 00:06:40,140 --> 00:06:42,299 month, but here you would 193 00:06:42,300 --> 00:06:43,829 never get lost because you played it 194 00:06:43,830 --> 00:06:45,330 like, I mean, if you played it 195 00:06:47,190 --> 00:06:49,529 and then I think the game was very early 196 00:06:49,530 --> 00:06:51,659 on, they they realized like that shift 197 00:06:51,660 --> 00:06:54,029 that they made this kind of connection. 198 00:06:54,030 --> 00:06:56,189 Oh, wow. Look, we can sit on top 199 00:06:56,190 --> 00:06:58,199 of each other in the game like, what is 200 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,579 this like to do this in real life? 201 00:06:59,580 --> 00:07:01,349 And it doesn't make sense for a sales 202 00:07:01,350 --> 00:07:03,569 team, but well, let's do it 203 00:07:03,570 --> 00:07:05,129 and the same at same point. 204 00:07:05,130 --> 00:07:07,739 So here you have the dust map from above 205 00:07:07,740 --> 00:07:09,389 and aerial view. 206 00:07:09,390 --> 00:07:10,979 And then you I found these pictures on 207 00:07:10,980 --> 00:07:13,109 the web that they were just rebuilt 208 00:07:13,110 --> 00:07:15,179 the map in the sand, on the beach, not 209 00:07:15,180 --> 00:07:16,829 because they had a printout, but because 210 00:07:16,830 --> 00:07:18,059 they know it by heart. 211 00:07:19,170 --> 00:07:21,299 And so I've been dealing with this map 212 00:07:21,300 --> 00:07:23,069 over a long time. I mean, also dust map 213 00:07:23,070 --> 00:07:25,379 and kind of stragglers, kind of, yeah, 214 00:07:25,380 --> 00:07:27,599 legendary. And this is a scary one 215 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:28,979 to one model for the show. 216 00:07:28,980 --> 00:07:30,149 And Cozumel recently had. 217 00:07:30,150 --> 00:07:32,249 So to enter the show, you needed 218 00:07:32,250 --> 00:07:33,929 to pass that crucial door. 219 00:07:33,930 --> 00:07:35,549 And yeah, if you played that game, you 220 00:07:35,550 --> 00:07:37,409 know, it's like, it's like this line of 221 00:07:37,410 --> 00:07:38,759 sight in the middle. 222 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,459 And I've been experimenting 223 00:07:41,460 --> 00:07:42,389 also in other ways. 224 00:07:42,390 --> 00:07:44,699 So here you see the section of the 225 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:46,019 of this one of these gates. 226 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,859 In August, I had to publish like 227 00:07:49,860 --> 00:07:52,649 a show in public and Sherbrooke and 228 00:07:52,650 --> 00:07:55,109 Canada near to Montreal, and 229 00:07:55,110 --> 00:07:57,389 we were building 20 of these crates who 230 00:07:57,390 --> 00:07:59,609 are like positioned in the space of 231 00:07:59,610 --> 00:08:01,679 that map in a old prison 232 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,019 yard prison yard from the 19th 233 00:08:04,020 --> 00:08:06,209 century. And it kind of fit it super well 234 00:08:06,210 --> 00:08:09,239 because it's like this closed space. 235 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,129 And yeah, with the with the sky. 236 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,809 So you get an idea like here 237 00:08:15,810 --> 00:08:17,759 the gate sort of just cardboard, but it's 238 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,719 like very precise one to one. 239 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,959 It's just the crates taken from 240 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,329 the game. And also there are pixels, 241 00:08:24,330 --> 00:08:25,350 right? And you will not 242 00:08:26,460 --> 00:08:28,049 you get an idea from far away. 243 00:08:28,050 --> 00:08:30,419 But when you look closer, you yeah, 244 00:08:30,420 --> 00:08:31,420 you really see it. 245 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,230 So this has been going on. 246 00:08:35,870 --> 00:08:38,149 And I also this 3-D prints of the 247 00:08:38,150 --> 00:08:40,189 prototypes of the of the whole map and 248 00:08:40,190 --> 00:08:42,439 like one of my FA goals will be and I 249 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,389 kind of claim, I mean, how many people 250 00:08:44,390 --> 00:08:46,129 have been in Hamburg, how many people 251 00:08:46,130 --> 00:08:47,599 have been in important places in the 252 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,609 world? And I don't know, Times Square or 253 00:08:49,610 --> 00:08:51,919 Mecca and Khobar or and how many people 254 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,339 have been in here? 255 00:08:53,340 --> 00:08:55,819 Right. A lot of people have been in here 256 00:08:55,820 --> 00:08:57,709 and they claim it's cultural heritage. 257 00:08:57,710 --> 00:08:59,989 Like it should be like why not 258 00:08:59,990 --> 00:09:02,089 having this built as a 259 00:09:02,090 --> 00:09:04,219 museum slash real like, 260 00:09:04,220 --> 00:09:05,539 real life sculpture? 261 00:09:05,540 --> 00:09:07,849 And this is like a very far goal, and it 262 00:09:07,850 --> 00:09:09,949 will be very big to build one hundred 263 00:09:09,950 --> 00:09:11,369 by one on a 20 meter. 264 00:09:11,370 --> 00:09:14,029 But yeah, I would love to see this. 265 00:09:14,030 --> 00:09:15,889 And not only from cardboard, but like 266 00:09:15,890 --> 00:09:17,599 like from a concrete. 267 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,939 And maybe it's going to be like a pilgrim 268 00:09:19,940 --> 00:09:21,049 place for the gamers. 269 00:09:21,050 --> 00:09:23,089 And in 200 years, people will think like, 270 00:09:23,090 --> 00:09:25,609 what is this like some funny 271 00:09:25,610 --> 00:09:28,549 cultural artifact? 272 00:09:28,550 --> 00:09:31,099 And I made some first tests like to 273 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:33,199 to build how to 274 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:34,849 build this. And of course, this looks 275 00:09:34,850 --> 00:09:36,559 more like Minecraft now, right? 276 00:09:38,490 --> 00:09:40,729 Um, another another 277 00:09:40,730 --> 00:09:42,889 project from the Games section World 278 00:09:42,890 --> 00:09:44,059 of Warcraft. 279 00:09:44,060 --> 00:09:45,709 You probably all know this game very 280 00:09:45,710 --> 00:09:47,389 well, but I think it's interesting in 281 00:09:47,390 --> 00:09:49,189 this screenshot is that like the party 282 00:09:49,190 --> 00:09:50,959 who just killed the dragon in the back, 283 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,119 they taking a group picture because 284 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,129 the moment is so important, right? 285 00:09:55,130 --> 00:09:57,229 They spent so many hours on like kind 286 00:09:57,230 --> 00:09:59,589 of achieving that goal and. 287 00:09:59,590 --> 00:10:01,609 And they know each other very well over 288 00:10:01,610 --> 00:10:03,049 the internet. And they. 289 00:10:03,050 --> 00:10:04,819 But it's like it's for adults and for 290 00:10:04,820 --> 00:10:07,099 people like not being in these worlds. 291 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:08,449 It's really hard to understand what's 292 00:10:08,450 --> 00:10:09,739 going on and how close these 293 00:10:09,740 --> 00:10:12,109 relationships like grow online. 294 00:10:12,110 --> 00:10:14,179 And I love this as 295 00:10:14,180 --> 00:10:16,219 a reference like when I don't know, like 296 00:10:16,220 --> 00:10:18,499 when you go to travel, uh, 297 00:10:18,500 --> 00:10:20,209 with a group, you take a group picture 298 00:10:20,210 --> 00:10:22,039 and here they take a group picture. 299 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,879 And I got interested in these name 300 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,729 markers, which are very common in all 301 00:10:25,730 --> 00:10:27,949 three games. And yeah, in any like 302 00:10:27,950 --> 00:10:29,929 other online world. 303 00:10:29,930 --> 00:10:31,189 And that's a workshop. 304 00:10:31,190 --> 00:10:33,169 I've been doing quite a lot of time here. 305 00:10:33,170 --> 00:10:34,909 This was a, I think, the last time in the 306 00:10:34,910 --> 00:10:37,219 Laguna Art Museum in California, two 307 00:10:37,220 --> 00:10:38,449 three years ago. 308 00:10:38,450 --> 00:10:40,549 So everybody builds their own real 309 00:10:40,550 --> 00:10:42,649 name from cardboard and then 310 00:10:42,650 --> 00:10:44,719 we mount them on plastic strips 311 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,209 and then we walk our names 312 00:10:47,210 --> 00:10:49,619 in the city as if we were 313 00:10:49,620 --> 00:10:50,719 MMO, right? 314 00:10:57,300 --> 00:11:00,029 And it's like, I mean, this is this is 315 00:11:00,030 --> 00:11:02,279 2007, and I think I started this 316 00:11:04,140 --> 00:11:05,339 and it's like, we're going to have this 317 00:11:05,340 --> 00:11:07,049 tomorrow, right, with Google Glass. 318 00:11:07,050 --> 00:11:09,179 I mean, that kind of or let's say 319 00:11:09,180 --> 00:11:10,529 the data is there, right? 320 00:11:10,530 --> 00:11:12,329 We all know now the data is there and 321 00:11:12,330 --> 00:11:14,189 they can put names all the time and all 322 00:11:14,190 --> 00:11:15,329 of our heads. 323 00:11:15,330 --> 00:11:17,459 They will probably kind of try 324 00:11:17,460 --> 00:11:19,769 not to put these names in the first place 325 00:11:19,770 --> 00:11:21,809 because this is always the scary moment, 326 00:11:21,810 --> 00:11:23,399 the face recognition and people will 327 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,919 freak out. But we know the data is there. 328 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,029 So. 329 00:11:27,030 --> 00:11:29,459 And it's kind of, yeah, seven years ago, 330 00:11:29,460 --> 00:11:30,899 2007, this was fun. 331 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:33,059 Now it's it's becoming sort 332 00:11:33,060 --> 00:11:35,009 of creepy a little bit. 333 00:11:35,010 --> 00:11:36,279 And. 334 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,009 And also, it's interesting to think about 335 00:11:38,010 --> 00:11:40,109 how they get 10 years ago, there 336 00:11:40,110 --> 00:11:42,419 was no reason to put your name online. 337 00:11:42,420 --> 00:11:44,399 Right? Today, when you're not can cannot 338 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,709 be found by name online, you 339 00:11:46,710 --> 00:11:47,899 might be a terrorist, right? 340 00:11:47,900 --> 00:11:50,069 I mean, it's at 341 00:11:50,070 --> 00:11:52,079 the same time in a city like public 342 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,039 space. 343 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,719 Well, I can walk up to someone and get to 344 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,849 know someone and ask for the name, but 345 00:11:56,850 --> 00:11:58,409 you don't walk your name right and 346 00:11:58,410 --> 00:12:00,689 public. It's sort of like this 347 00:12:00,690 --> 00:12:01,649 private thing. 348 00:12:01,650 --> 00:12:03,839 So it's a it's a beautiful 349 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,279 experiment also for the group. 350 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,659 And then we walk each other. 351 00:12:06,660 --> 00:12:08,789 Our names also take this level of 352 00:12:08,790 --> 00:12:10,439 play going on. 353 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,569 And yeah, we had a lot of fun on 354 00:12:12,570 --> 00:12:14,940 that beach here on a Saturday afternoon. 355 00:12:19,540 --> 00:12:21,919 Yeah, and I've been doing this in 356 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,569 different countries also. 357 00:12:23,570 --> 00:12:25,489 It's very interesting when you do this in 358 00:12:25,490 --> 00:12:27,259 Germany, in Berlin, it's like, Oh yeah, 359 00:12:27,260 --> 00:12:28,260 that's an art project. 360 00:12:29,270 --> 00:12:30,859 And you see there were people like, Oh, 361 00:12:30,860 --> 00:12:33,019 it's just like advertising for 362 00:12:33,020 --> 00:12:34,249 political party. 363 00:12:34,250 --> 00:12:36,509 And and here and then 364 00:12:36,510 --> 00:12:38,809 this was in Seoul, in South Korea and. 365 00:12:38,810 --> 00:12:40,249 And it's like a student quarter and 366 00:12:40,250 --> 00:12:42,499 people would just yell the name like 367 00:12:42,500 --> 00:12:44,269 through the whole street super loud, 368 00:12:44,270 --> 00:12:46,219 like. So the reaction to this is also 369 00:12:46,220 --> 00:12:48,619 very different from where you do it. 370 00:12:48,620 --> 00:12:50,929 And yeah, it's interesting also 371 00:12:50,930 --> 00:12:53,249 combined to the to the online rules, 372 00:12:53,250 --> 00:12:55,069 right? I mean, people strip naked online 373 00:12:55,070 --> 00:12:56,779 all the time, but you don't do it in 374 00:12:56,780 --> 00:12:58,849 public. So kind of this like this 375 00:12:58,850 --> 00:13:00,019 gap developed. 376 00:13:00,020 --> 00:13:02,149 And of course, I mean, things change 377 00:13:02,150 --> 00:13:04,489 now when there's always only Facebook 378 00:13:04,490 --> 00:13:06,739 comments, then people behave more, etc. 379 00:13:06,740 --> 00:13:09,019 But it is like it is very different 380 00:13:09,020 --> 00:13:11,149 spaces and at the same time, 381 00:13:11,150 --> 00:13:13,369 this online, offline or 382 00:13:13,370 --> 00:13:15,109 yeah, there's always the name pair of 383 00:13:15,110 --> 00:13:16,069 analog digital. 384 00:13:16,070 --> 00:13:17,959 It's kind of so much woven into each 385 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,399 other. We cannot make a separation 386 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,449 anymore, right? 387 00:13:20,450 --> 00:13:22,159 But at the same time? 388 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:23,629 Well, it's it's a different. 389 00:13:23,630 --> 00:13:24,619 It's a different style. 390 00:13:24,620 --> 00:13:27,049 I think if you talk face to face 391 00:13:27,050 --> 00:13:28,879 or if you chat online, I mean, yeah, and 392 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,709 now we come to the next project and this 393 00:13:30,710 --> 00:13:32,959 has to do little bit with also as, 394 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,220 yeah, you see a second. 395 00:13:35,570 --> 00:13:36,619 So it's about chatting. 396 00:13:36,620 --> 00:13:38,299 And here again, World of Warcraft plus 397 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:40,859 many other games to chat online. 398 00:13:40,860 --> 00:13:42,589 It's like it's like a super all 399 00:13:42,590 --> 00:13:44,719 communication channel has also has 400 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,739 very specific qualities. 401 00:13:46,740 --> 00:13:48,349 It's a very narrow channel, but people 402 00:13:48,350 --> 00:13:50,629 kind of talk moral what they would 403 00:13:50,630 --> 00:13:52,849 say, face to face, et cetera. 404 00:13:52,850 --> 00:13:54,799 So what would it be like to chat in real 405 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,689 life? So I made these two speech bubbles 406 00:13:56,690 --> 00:13:58,129 to have a backlight projection in the 407 00:13:58,130 --> 00:14:00,229 back and and the people kind 408 00:14:00,230 --> 00:14:02,329 of bearing the keyboard can type into the 409 00:14:02,330 --> 00:14:04,519 speech bubble and it will appear just 410 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:05,569 above your head. 411 00:14:05,570 --> 00:14:07,129 And what is this like? 412 00:14:07,130 --> 00:14:08,749 And it's the same same thing again with 413 00:14:08,750 --> 00:14:10,639 the NSA knows all the data, they could 414 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,979 put the speech bubble to our head. 415 00:14:12,980 --> 00:14:15,289 But when you are a drink and an 416 00:14:15,290 --> 00:14:17,229 ice club, transmit the other party here 417 00:14:17,230 --> 00:14:19,129 at the bar, you would immediately get it 418 00:14:19,130 --> 00:14:20,899 because it's really big. 419 00:14:20,900 --> 00:14:22,669 Is also stays there for 20 seconds. 420 00:14:22,670 --> 00:14:24,799 So people have the people can 421 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,869 read the message much longer. 422 00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:28,909 When you sit next to a table, people 423 00:14:28,910 --> 00:14:31,009 talking, you might hear parts of 424 00:14:31,010 --> 00:14:34,069 the conversation, but the written 425 00:14:34,070 --> 00:14:35,179 word? 426 00:14:35,180 --> 00:14:37,130 Yeah, we all know it's way more 427 00:14:39,020 --> 00:14:41,119 static and they you can always go 428 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,579 back and find out what people said. 429 00:14:43,580 --> 00:14:45,799 And this project was also part of 430 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,079 the Congress and two thousand 431 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,689 seven, I think. 432 00:14:49,690 --> 00:14:51,839 Um, and I kind of battle-tested 433 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,289 it here. We had a lot of fun. 434 00:14:54,290 --> 00:14:55,399 You might know this guy. 435 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,379 Uh, and also 436 00:14:59,380 --> 00:15:02,049 prepared us was here and this year 437 00:15:02,050 --> 00:15:03,050 and. 438 00:15:04,910 --> 00:15:05,910 Hello, hackers, 439 00:15:07,610 --> 00:15:09,319 break the system. 440 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:10,549 I hope you're here somewhere. 441 00:15:11,780 --> 00:15:13,939 Yeah, this was this was 442 00:15:13,940 --> 00:15:15,829 a lot of fun. It was also used by the 443 00:15:15,830 --> 00:15:18,229 Thibaud and today called digital Koolhaas 444 00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:20,689 for like excellence in public space. 445 00:15:20,690 --> 00:15:24,139 About RFID chips and fashion. 446 00:15:24,140 --> 00:15:25,190 And yeah, they say. 447 00:15:27,220 --> 00:15:28,989 Part of part of these projects kind of 448 00:15:28,990 --> 00:15:31,149 came came from here and also I will 449 00:15:31,150 --> 00:15:32,620 yeah, I will talk about this in the end. 450 00:15:34,420 --> 00:15:36,279 And now there's another like another 451 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,409 branch of more about. 452 00:15:38,410 --> 00:15:40,569 Well, you also internet related, but 453 00:15:40,570 --> 00:15:42,429 no 3D, no games. 454 00:15:42,430 --> 00:15:44,229 Are you humanness about capture coats? 455 00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:46,239 And we all know like the yeah, the 456 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:47,679 technology of CAPTCHA code. 457 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,749 Completely automated Turing test to tell 458 00:15:49,750 --> 00:15:51,609 humans and computers apart. 459 00:15:51,610 --> 00:15:54,129 It's like this annoying little jetpack 460 00:15:54,130 --> 00:15:56,199 at the bottom there. And it's 461 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,269 that moment where the script and the 462 00:15:58,270 --> 00:15:59,799 is asking you, Are you human? 463 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,179 Like, can you prove to me that you're 464 00:16:01,180 --> 00:16:03,099 human to prevent the spamming? 465 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:05,139 But it's interesting that the Turing test 466 00:16:05,140 --> 00:16:07,029 used to be you sitting in front of the 467 00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:08,889 screen, deciding if you talk to a human 468 00:16:08,890 --> 00:16:10,089 or to a computer. 469 00:16:10,090 --> 00:16:12,249 And now it's the software on 470 00:16:12,250 --> 00:16:14,139 the script deciding on you, right? 471 00:16:14,140 --> 00:16:16,419 And this is all one saying this is from 472 00:16:16,420 --> 00:16:18,219 USO's captures from 2007. 473 00:16:18,220 --> 00:16:19,959 They change over the years this all these 474 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,359 different song captures and 475 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:23,919 Google Street View has a number of 476 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,529 captures. And but it's 477 00:16:26,530 --> 00:16:28,929 I think it's a very crucial. 478 00:16:28,930 --> 00:16:31,029 It describes very well that the moment 479 00:16:31,030 --> 00:16:33,279 we are at where, how yeah, 480 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,469 how important, how machines 481 00:16:35,470 --> 00:16:37,480 are and software computers kind of. 482 00:16:39,020 --> 00:16:40,669 Well, it's difficult to say this here, 483 00:16:40,670 --> 00:16:42,029 they're not fighting on us, right? 484 00:16:42,030 --> 00:16:43,969 We all know it's programed and it's a 485 00:16:43,970 --> 00:16:46,189 race of like the spammers, 486 00:16:46,190 --> 00:16:48,709 right kind of get over this problem 487 00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:50,809 and the humans also try to solve 488 00:16:50,810 --> 00:16:52,669 it. Sometimes you do. 489 00:16:52,670 --> 00:16:54,799 You still like you still need a few of 490 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,450 them to kind of get to it. 491 00:16:57,500 --> 00:16:59,629 Um, I 492 00:16:59,630 --> 00:17:01,279 also in this case, I like them. 493 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,350 I like them very much because they. 494 00:17:04,970 --> 00:17:07,459 They have these extra elements in there, 495 00:17:07,460 --> 00:17:09,828 and I introduced 496 00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:12,469 them at first I introduced them as 497 00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:14,749 business cards, so maybe we come 498 00:17:14,750 --> 00:17:16,608 to that point in the future when you hand 499 00:17:16,609 --> 00:17:18,469 this over like, Oh, can you read this to 500 00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:19,470 me, please? 501 00:17:21,109 --> 00:17:22,109 Right? I mean, 502 00:17:24,290 --> 00:17:26,419 then I blew them up and made objects 503 00:17:26,420 --> 00:17:28,639 of them and put them in 504 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,679 public space next to graffiti. 505 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,809 And it's very close to like tax 506 00:17:32,810 --> 00:17:35,119 write. It's like it's excise 507 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:36,769 code for certain neighborhood. 508 00:17:36,770 --> 00:17:38,239 If you're not, if you can't read this, 509 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,739 you're not allowed to come or yeah, if 510 00:17:39,740 --> 00:17:41,899 you can't read this, you're not part 511 00:17:41,900 --> 00:17:43,369 of the group, etc. 512 00:17:43,370 --> 00:17:45,919 I I wrote this in different locations. 513 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,139 This was in Vienna in 2009, and yeah, 514 00:17:48,140 --> 00:17:49,669 it takes a while to find it down here. 515 00:17:55,890 --> 00:17:57,809 And it's also interesting how then I may 516 00:17:57,810 --> 00:18:00,419 I may also made them from from aluminum 517 00:18:00,420 --> 00:18:02,369 that because these capture codes, they're 518 00:18:02,370 --> 00:18:03,299 unique, right? 519 00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:04,979 I mean, everything else on the web, we 520 00:18:04,980 --> 00:18:06,929 copy all the time we can download. 521 00:18:06,930 --> 00:18:09,099 We still we still know how to do this 522 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:10,229 course, but. 523 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,159 Once you use them, they're gone, right? 524 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,099 There were no less than the 525 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:19,349 statistics that this exact 526 00:18:19,350 --> 00:18:21,779 capture will appear as like, super 527 00:18:21,780 --> 00:18:24,059 minimal. So there are a lot of these 528 00:18:24,060 --> 00:18:26,639 sort of these more an artistic 529 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,279 practice like unique artifacts. 530 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,619 I met them in like Apple. 531 00:18:34,390 --> 00:18:36,609 Aluminum sort of eternal, 532 00:18:36,610 --> 00:18:38,349 and then also a recent one I made for the 533 00:18:38,350 --> 00:18:40,269 show, and castle was a big one like a 534 00:18:40,270 --> 00:18:41,919 floor piece, and it's made from rusted 535 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:42,999 steel. 536 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,129 And it's also it's also disappearing by 537 00:18:45,130 --> 00:18:47,439 very slowly over time. 538 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,629 So I think a capture is a kind of 539 00:18:49,630 --> 00:18:52,269 just describe very well how 540 00:18:53,890 --> 00:18:56,529 what's our relation here and also 541 00:18:56,530 --> 00:18:57,969 kind of we all know that captures are not 542 00:18:57,970 --> 00:18:59,559 working anymore either, right? 543 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,599 Because like the computing power becomes 544 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,459 bigger and bigger and there's some more, 545 00:19:03,460 --> 00:19:05,379 some more examples like with passwords, 546 00:19:05,380 --> 00:19:07,389 cetera, how this is like these systems 547 00:19:07,390 --> 00:19:08,739 are not working anymore. 548 00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:12,609 The Google portraits it's about it's 549 00:19:12,610 --> 00:19:14,529 about his own life portraits like what is 550 00:19:14,530 --> 00:19:15,729 the portrait used to be? 551 00:19:15,730 --> 00:19:17,619 Paintings used to be photography a lot. 552 00:19:19,260 --> 00:19:21,339 Today, I claim that the contemporary 553 00:19:21,340 --> 00:19:23,199 portrait is like one I don't know you. 554 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,269 I Google. You and I get 10 results 555 00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:26,349 of you, right? 556 00:19:26,350 --> 00:19:27,909 And this is what we get to know of each 557 00:19:27,910 --> 00:19:29,979 other in the first place. 558 00:19:29,980 --> 00:19:32,289 And it's it's very fast. 559 00:19:32,290 --> 00:19:33,429 It's very responsive. 560 00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:35,529 But also and it may say a lot, but 561 00:19:35,530 --> 00:19:36,910 at the same time, it says nothing. 562 00:19:38,890 --> 00:19:41,199 And I think, yeah, and also 563 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,349 then you have name collisions. 564 00:19:42,350 --> 00:19:44,499 That's people with the same 565 00:19:44,500 --> 00:19:46,479 names. And there's all this funny stuff 566 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:47,439 going on. 567 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,959 And what I so what I did, I take we 568 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,229 took this search URL and put it into 569 00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:54,369 a this time it's like a 570 00:19:54,370 --> 00:19:56,679 semicolon. But later on, I put them into 571 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,779 QR codes and their hand 572 00:19:58,780 --> 00:20:01,059 drawn. So I make these hand-drawn 573 00:20:01,060 --> 00:20:03,369 QR codes, which 574 00:20:03,370 --> 00:20:05,349 is nothing more than just a search on 575 00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:07,779 Google, but it's a search for a person. 576 00:20:07,780 --> 00:20:09,669 So I say this is like a portrait. 577 00:20:09,670 --> 00:20:12,039 And this example Penelope on Brickell, 578 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,079 which is an artist friend from New York 579 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,280 City and 580 00:20:16,540 --> 00:20:18,909 it's hands handmade sort of the camera. 581 00:20:18,910 --> 00:20:20,529 The software doesn't really care because 582 00:20:20,530 --> 00:20:22,689 there's error correction and 583 00:20:22,690 --> 00:20:24,999 the drying esthetic, but 584 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,069 the actual portrait online kind of 585 00:20:27,070 --> 00:20:28,959 keeps changing depending on the 586 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,849 algorithm, depending on what the artist 587 00:20:30,850 --> 00:20:33,049 or the portrait person is doing. 588 00:20:33,050 --> 00:20:35,559 And so this is a self-portrait made of 589 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,179 thumbprints. 590 00:20:37,180 --> 00:20:39,369 And also, most recently, I did this one 591 00:20:39,370 --> 00:20:41,179 for show in Paris. 592 00:20:41,180 --> 00:20:42,669 Is Edward Snowden portrait? 593 00:20:42,670 --> 00:20:44,799 And you can go go pretty wild, like when 594 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,269 you when you level up the error 595 00:20:46,270 --> 00:20:47,169 correction. 596 00:20:47,170 --> 00:20:49,449 So it's like this technical process 597 00:20:49,450 --> 00:20:51,639 we can code ourselves 598 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,039 at the same time. It's a it's a I 599 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,209 would say, like Google first 600 00:20:56,210 --> 00:20:58,149 10 results. It's like the contemporary 601 00:20:58,150 --> 00:20:59,589 portrait of today, sort of 602 00:21:01,210 --> 00:21:03,099 somewhere. Yeah, we have dead drops, 603 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:05,319 which I did in 2010. 604 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,509 And for this, I'm going to show quick 605 00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:08,510 video. 606 00:21:09,930 --> 00:21:13,169 That is an offline, anonymous 607 00:21:13,170 --> 00:21:15,659 peer to peer file sharing network, 608 00:21:15,660 --> 00:21:16,859 and you can be part of it. 609 00:21:55,530 --> 00:21:57,060 OK, so you had the idea, let's take 610 00:21:58,110 --> 00:22:00,509 this off line sharing network, I 611 00:22:00,510 --> 00:22:01,949 it's an open project. Everybody can 612 00:22:01,950 --> 00:22:03,839 participate. It's very simple to make you 613 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,149 own that drop by just embedding this 614 00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:08,309 USB drive into a wall can cement 615 00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:10,109 it, then you can glue it somewhere. 616 00:22:10,110 --> 00:22:12,359 I started this in 2010, when 617 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:14,249 when I was while I was artist and 618 00:22:14,250 --> 00:22:16,589 resident at IBM, that's 619 00:22:16,590 --> 00:22:18,569 to Media Arts Center in New York City. 620 00:22:18,570 --> 00:22:20,069 I started with these, actually. 621 00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:21,569 I kind of arrived in the city. 622 00:22:21,570 --> 00:22:23,639 I fell sick. I only had like two weeks 623 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,589 left and I, Oh, let's do this little 624 00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:26,669 project here. 625 00:22:26,670 --> 00:22:28,769 And I made these five dead 626 00:22:28,770 --> 00:22:30,539 drops in New York and then posted a 627 00:22:30,540 --> 00:22:32,639 picture set on Flickr and wrote 628 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,409 a blog post. And it kind of exploded 629 00:22:34,410 --> 00:22:35,549 afterwards. 630 00:22:35,550 --> 00:22:36,959 It's it's I don't know. 631 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,729 I'm very much in love with that picture 632 00:22:38,730 --> 00:22:40,799 of of the the data 633 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,409 and the USB drive literally cemented 634 00:22:43,410 --> 00:22:44,819 into the wall. It's like super the 635 00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:46,439 opposite of what we have today with a 636 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,089 cloud and everything is connected and 637 00:22:48,090 --> 00:22:49,439 everything was controlled. 638 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,839 So it's it's really 639 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,159 you need to go to the place. 640 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,809 You don't know what's on there. 641 00:22:54,810 --> 00:22:56,639 Oh, the dead drop might be might be gone 642 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:57,640 already. 643 00:22:58,210 --> 00:22:59,129 Maybe dangerous. 644 00:22:59,130 --> 00:23:00,539 There might be a virus on there, right? 645 00:23:00,540 --> 00:23:02,429 Everybody's asking that question. 646 00:23:02,430 --> 00:23:03,690 So it has all these 647 00:23:04,770 --> 00:23:05,759 influences on it. 648 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,459 And it's really, yeah, 649 00:23:08,460 --> 00:23:10,259 for me, kind of the gesture. 650 00:23:10,260 --> 00:23:12,209 You kneel down in the street and it's wet 651 00:23:12,210 --> 00:23:14,309 and it's dirty, like instead of 652 00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:16,559 you have like a clean internet 653 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,779 and you have your clean computer, etc. 654 00:23:18,780 --> 00:23:20,969 It's it takes it back to 655 00:23:20,970 --> 00:23:22,589 the very much of the city it turns. 656 00:23:22,590 --> 00:23:24,929 Also, you put it into a house instead of, 657 00:23:24,930 --> 00:23:26,729 for me, like it turns the whole building 658 00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:27,869 into a flash drive. 659 00:23:29,130 --> 00:23:31,809 Yeah, all these effects and 660 00:23:31,810 --> 00:23:33,839 and of course, it's anonymous and it's no 661 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,059 IP address. And well, 662 00:23:36,060 --> 00:23:38,219 it's it's funny how this kind 663 00:23:38,220 --> 00:23:40,919 of I did this in 2010, and 664 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,989 while it was popular, then for a year, 665 00:23:42,990 --> 00:23:45,329 maybe, and now it got popular again after 666 00:23:45,330 --> 00:23:46,679 after the summer of Snowden. 667 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:47,680 Kind of, 668 00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:51,029 yeah, people making dead drops again 669 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:53,099 and journalists calling me if there was 670 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:54,629 like suspicious material on there, 671 00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:56,849 really. So kind of it kind of became 672 00:23:56,850 --> 00:23:58,979 like a whole different view 673 00:23:58,980 --> 00:23:59,980 angle on this. 674 00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:03,449 So these are the first five dead drops in 675 00:24:03,450 --> 00:24:05,519 New York City. This is the website 676 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,689 that drops dot com. 677 00:24:06,690 --> 00:24:08,759 You can go to the 678 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,829 yesterday, there were 1304 679 00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:14,249 drops been made over the past 680 00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:16,380 three. Yeah, exactly three years. 681 00:24:17,820 --> 00:24:19,619 This is a world map of all the dead drops 682 00:24:19,620 --> 00:24:20,609 been made. 683 00:24:20,610 --> 00:24:22,799 If we zoom in on to Hamburg 684 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,479 and there quite a lot in Hamburg, you 685 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,759 need to know like they don't stay 686 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,979 long. There depends on how you put them, 687 00:24:28,980 --> 00:24:31,439 how they kind of visible 688 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,149 they are. And of course, it's public 689 00:24:33,150 --> 00:24:35,129 space. You can also see this a wireless 690 00:24:35,130 --> 00:24:37,409 one up here, which 691 00:24:37,410 --> 00:24:38,640 is a pirate box. 692 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,809 And there's this these all these 693 00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:44,579 single pages for each dead drop, so you 694 00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:46,469 have always three pictures from the 695 00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:48,809 location and the map and a description 696 00:24:48,810 --> 00:24:50,579 to it. So these are pictures from a 697 00:24:50,580 --> 00:24:52,410 workshop I recently did in Barcelona. 698 00:24:53,670 --> 00:24:55,739 These are some early pictures, 699 00:24:55,740 --> 00:24:57,450 and it's it's interesting. 700 00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:01,829 Yeah, I guess there's more coming. 701 00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:02,880 I also like this one. 702 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:11,379 Yeah. So and the fun part 703 00:25:11,380 --> 00:25:13,449 about this sort of open project, 704 00:25:13,450 --> 00:25:15,669 and for me, it's like it's like an art. 705 00:25:15,670 --> 00:25:16,929 You could even call this an art 706 00:25:16,930 --> 00:25:18,999 performance because everybody taking 707 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,189 part in a lot of these people doing 708 00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:23,139 this don't care if it's art or not. 709 00:25:23,140 --> 00:25:24,129 It's just fun to do. 710 00:25:24,130 --> 00:25:26,409 Right? And it also has reference to geo 711 00:25:26,410 --> 00:25:27,369 caching, of course. 712 00:25:27,370 --> 00:25:28,959 And then there's like the reference to 713 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,639 the spy game with dead drops and the 714 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,369 hidden stuff and the and the place. 715 00:25:33,370 --> 00:25:35,079 But people then took it further and made 716 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,669 all these versions of it. 717 00:25:36,670 --> 00:25:39,009 And so this was a show in Leon 718 00:25:39,010 --> 00:25:41,019 where, like a graphic design blog, put 719 00:25:41,020 --> 00:25:42,849 out five dead drops or I don't know a 720 00:25:42,850 --> 00:25:43,749 bunch of them. 721 00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:45,849 And you needed to go to these dead drops 722 00:25:45,850 --> 00:25:48,069 to see the show, to see the art 723 00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:49,329 they produce. 724 00:25:49,330 --> 00:25:51,579 Also, people music bands 725 00:25:51,580 --> 00:25:53,769 kind of promoted death albums on 726 00:25:53,770 --> 00:25:56,019 it, so you can download our new album on, 727 00:25:56,020 --> 00:25:58,149 I don't know, iTunes, but you can get 728 00:25:58,150 --> 00:26:00,009 it for free here when you go there. 729 00:26:00,010 --> 00:26:02,109 So like, there was tons of press, there 730 00:26:02,110 --> 00:26:04,539 was all these variations of the project, 731 00:26:04,540 --> 00:26:06,699 but it was shown in the MoMA in 732 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:09,489 2011 at the Talk to Me show, 733 00:26:09,490 --> 00:26:10,600 where also people could 734 00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:14,409 connect with their laptop and live life 735 00:26:14,410 --> 00:26:15,819 stuff in the MoMA. 736 00:26:15,820 --> 00:26:18,009 I made this blog post to encourage 737 00:26:18,010 --> 00:26:20,079 all artists to bring their 738 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,029 digital files and to upload them. 739 00:26:22,030 --> 00:26:23,709 And then you can claim you had art in the 740 00:26:23,710 --> 00:26:25,779 moment, just kind of like it's a 741 00:26:25,780 --> 00:26:26,780 good thing to have. 742 00:26:28,090 --> 00:26:30,189 I made I make my own versions and I don't 743 00:26:30,190 --> 00:26:31,809 have. I didn't have the pictures for this 744 00:26:31,810 --> 00:26:33,999 pirate box by David 745 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,400 Dart's, but it's a pretty big community. 746 00:26:37,810 --> 00:26:39,969 I bet those people from Pirate 747 00:26:39,970 --> 00:26:42,039 Box here, also in France, is very 748 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,929 big. So it's the same idea, but it's 749 00:26:43,930 --> 00:26:44,979 wireless for us. 750 00:26:44,980 --> 00:26:47,799 It's driven on open w.r.t 751 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,509 and occupy here. 752 00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:51,609 This always like all kinds of projects 753 00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:53,889 and in a similar field, that 754 00:26:53,890 --> 00:26:56,019 swap by Dmitri, which 755 00:26:56,020 --> 00:26:58,329 was actually prior to this project, 756 00:26:58,330 --> 00:26:59,980 was the idea to yeah, to swap 757 00:27:01,270 --> 00:27:03,039 your feed drives some person. 758 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,049 It's a I think it's a very interesting 759 00:27:05,050 --> 00:27:07,269 field. I made these for the 760 00:27:07,270 --> 00:27:08,289 Museum of Moving image. 761 00:27:08,290 --> 00:27:10,929 I made the DVD that which was like, 762 00:27:10,930 --> 00:27:12,069 it's like a museum version. 763 00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:14,139 It's only one directional, so you get 764 00:27:14,140 --> 00:27:15,309 a burn DVD. 765 00:27:15,310 --> 00:27:17,439 But from the building and and again, 766 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,929 like, it's like this almost 767 00:27:19,930 --> 00:27:22,419 deprecated media 768 00:27:22,420 --> 00:27:24,489 technology. But you can you can 769 00:27:24,490 --> 00:27:26,559 go in there, you get a DVD in the 770 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,839 museum shop and you burn your own DVD 771 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,789 was it ran for a whole year? 772 00:27:30,790 --> 00:27:33,219 And it has like I put monthly curated 773 00:27:33,220 --> 00:27:35,559 content on there, like also from shows to 774 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,419 movies to different materials. 775 00:27:37,420 --> 00:27:39,309 And again, like the whole building has 776 00:27:39,310 --> 00:27:41,829 like this very little suspicious 777 00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:43,869 outlet, but it kind of becomes a DVD 778 00:27:43,870 --> 00:27:46,299 burning drive for a medium, 779 00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:48,039 which is kind of, yeah, it's over 780 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,040 already. 781 00:27:51,310 --> 00:27:52,509 What else? 782 00:27:52,510 --> 00:27:54,639 I've done a couple years of 783 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,049 getting to the more interesting stuff 784 00:27:56,050 --> 00:27:58,059 now. It's a performance piece I did in 785 00:27:58,060 --> 00:27:59,589 New York. Also, when I was there while I 786 00:27:59,590 --> 00:28:01,659 was there, I had 787 00:28:01,660 --> 00:28:03,639 my 3G hotspot with me. 788 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,319 So you could connect to internet, 789 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,449 actually. I had open internet, but at the 790 00:28:07,450 --> 00:28:09,519 same time, also this was kind of, 791 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,279 yeah, protest for the open internet. 792 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,409 So I had funny conversations in the city 793 00:28:14,410 --> 00:28:15,399 with people. Kind of, oh yeah. 794 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,419 Is this a new? 795 00:28:16,420 --> 00:28:19,029 Is this a new business kind of model? 796 00:28:19,030 --> 00:28:20,140 And at the same time, 797 00:28:21,370 --> 00:28:22,779 yeah, for me, kind of. 798 00:28:22,780 --> 00:28:24,879 It was already in that time where net 799 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,829 neutrality and all these topics kind of 800 00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:28,899 really became 801 00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:30,669 very popular. 802 00:28:30,670 --> 00:28:33,009 I made protest signs of them. 803 00:28:33,010 --> 00:28:34,330 So you kind of. 804 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,899 Kerry, the open internet of protests for 805 00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:38,900 the open internet, 806 00:28:40,030 --> 00:28:42,159 this was shown recently in a show 807 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,809 in the Netherlands, 808 00:28:45,220 --> 00:28:47,319 another piece which I also 809 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,599 showed here two years ago at the Congress 810 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,359 Oh Vacuum Forum is a workshop table, and 811 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,669 vacuum forming is of quite classic 812 00:28:54,670 --> 00:28:56,439 technique to kind of form plastic 813 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,599 material. All the other production design 814 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,029 people know this kind of all 815 00:29:01,030 --> 00:29:02,889 the lid of your coffee cup is kind of 816 00:29:02,890 --> 00:29:03,819 vacuum formed. 817 00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:05,169 So I have this workshop. 818 00:29:05,170 --> 00:29:06,819 I made this kind of the mold and 819 00:29:06,820 --> 00:29:08,859 everything to vacuum from this. 820 00:29:08,860 --> 00:29:11,089 And people at the at the Congress 821 00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:13,299 in 2012 were invited 822 00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:15,549 to to vacuum from their own Guy Fawkes 823 00:29:15,550 --> 00:29:17,829 mask. It was always, I mean, often said 824 00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:19,569 on the web, like, don't buy these masks 825 00:29:19,570 --> 00:29:21,879 like you only pour money into the company 826 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,199 who's owning the rights? 827 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,199 And so why not making them 828 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,999 ourselves? And a lot of people like this, 829 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,859 all these versions with paper and 830 00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:33,069 printed, I guess. 831 00:29:33,070 --> 00:29:35,229 But this is like a very fast, quick 832 00:29:35,230 --> 00:29:36,819 one to make. There's some pictures of the 833 00:29:36,820 --> 00:29:38,259 production. 834 00:29:38,260 --> 00:29:40,479 It's like a mold. It's like a cast 835 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,549 of the mask and then a mold of the the 836 00:29:42,550 --> 00:29:43,749 cast again. 837 00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:46,149 And this was at the Congress 838 00:29:46,150 --> 00:29:47,079 2012. 839 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,089 People could make their own masks. 840 00:29:49,090 --> 00:29:51,279 And then also, yeah, kind of. 841 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,439 You cut them. You, you customize 842 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,440 them. 843 00:29:54,940 --> 00:29:57,069 And then there's a 844 00:29:57,070 --> 00:29:58,809 transparent version, which is 845 00:29:58,810 --> 00:29:59,810 interesting, right? 846 00:30:01,930 --> 00:30:04,149 So yeah, what about like? 847 00:30:04,150 --> 00:30:06,309 I mean, yet this whole anonymous 848 00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:09,009 story is also kind of as 849 00:30:09,010 --> 00:30:10,299 I don't know of the peak, as you know, 850 00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:12,009 well, there's still a lot going on. 851 00:30:12,010 --> 00:30:13,010 I know. 852 00:30:15,850 --> 00:30:18,009 And Phil, you can recognize the person, 853 00:30:18,010 --> 00:30:20,199 right? So it's interesting. 854 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,479 And then, of course, also 855 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,920 Nancy Dockside, right? 856 00:30:29,710 --> 00:30:31,779 So who who's on the who's 857 00:30:31,780 --> 00:30:32,780 on the dockside? 858 00:30:36,340 --> 00:30:37,340 Can be only term. 859 00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:40,149 This wasn't an opening and beginning of 860 00:30:40,150 --> 00:30:42,429 2012, and I put them in public 861 00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:44,619 space to and 862 00:30:44,620 --> 00:30:46,689 yeah, kind of again 863 00:30:46,690 --> 00:30:47,920 in the context of street art, 864 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,739 how to turn coat tie. 865 00:30:50,740 --> 00:30:52,599 This is, I thought it was something fun 866 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,889 to talk about here. 867 00:30:53,890 --> 00:30:55,959 I make I make a lot of these DIY 868 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,909 projects like the mask making, etc. 869 00:30:57,910 --> 00:31:00,009 And I think this whole DIY movement 870 00:31:00,010 --> 00:31:02,169 is it's a super interesting form. 871 00:31:02,170 --> 00:31:04,449 It's also like how 872 00:31:04,450 --> 00:31:05,979 how DIY movies are. 873 00:31:05,980 --> 00:31:08,049 Tutorials kind of become 874 00:31:08,050 --> 00:31:10,389 more as an entertaining, yeah, 875 00:31:10,390 --> 00:31:12,729 entertaining entertainment than 876 00:31:12,730 --> 00:31:14,439 exile the tutorial itself. 877 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,509 So I've done a bunch of them. 878 00:31:16,510 --> 00:31:18,849 This is like, Yeah, this is the tutorial 879 00:31:18,850 --> 00:31:20,379 how to turn code into art. 880 00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:22,479 And sometimes that's very important code. 881 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,579 And also I I want to encourage 882 00:31:24,580 --> 00:31:27,129 you to print code and to frame it. 883 00:31:27,130 --> 00:31:29,859 So I'm yeah, I'm explaining how to 884 00:31:29,860 --> 00:31:31,199 to frame you. 885 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,039 You go to the shop, you buy frames. 886 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,319 Do you put it on the wall and art, right? 887 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,479 Sort of. This is sometimes you think 888 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,399 this is how it works and it is. 889 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,579 Yeah. And 890 00:31:41,580 --> 00:31:43,869 and in this case, it's a very what's 891 00:31:43,870 --> 00:31:46,539 very important code, and it was very well 892 00:31:46,540 --> 00:31:48,759 already well printed by the Frankfurter 893 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,099 Allgemeine Zeitung in Germany, where the 894 00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:53,799 CCC kind of disassembled 895 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,109 the the German trillion 896 00:31:56,110 --> 00:31:58,959 government spy software 897 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,729 and found all these these parts. 898 00:32:00,730 --> 00:32:02,919 And there were yeah, 899 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,019 there was like a back door again in the 900 00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:07,209 in the back door software legal one. 901 00:32:07,210 --> 00:32:09,489 So and I thought they just 902 00:32:09,490 --> 00:32:11,529 the and I think this is due to 903 00:32:11,530 --> 00:32:13,629 functionality that he really gets 904 00:32:13,630 --> 00:32:15,969 the point about many things. 905 00:32:15,970 --> 00:32:17,410 They printed this on on 906 00:32:18,430 --> 00:32:20,409 three spreadsheets and this is super 907 00:32:20,410 --> 00:32:23,139 important. The biggest German newspaper 908 00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:25,029 and and code is I don't know. 909 00:32:25,030 --> 00:32:27,039 Yeah, well, I don't have to tell you, 910 00:32:28,060 --> 00:32:30,219 you know, much better than me, but how 911 00:32:30,220 --> 00:32:32,709 important code is today and how kind of. 912 00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:33,699 And that's what we learned. 913 00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:34,869 Now, all this year 914 00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:38,349 affects us very, very much. 915 00:32:38,350 --> 00:32:40,419 Right. So I 916 00:32:40,420 --> 00:32:42,069 like code as art very much. 917 00:32:43,540 --> 00:32:45,849 Greetings from the internet is a postcard 918 00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:48,039 serious. I collect whenever you travel 919 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,109 somewhere, you want to go 920 00:32:50,110 --> 00:32:52,269 on Wi-Fi online and west a password 921 00:32:52,270 --> 00:32:54,219 and then your friend write it down and 922 00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:55,749 you have this moment of like you have to 923 00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:56,989 decode again. 924 00:32:56,990 --> 00:32:58,959 Oh, is this a sixth or is it a g? 925 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,309 I can't really read it. 926 00:33:00,310 --> 00:33:02,469 So you have to guess like the password. 927 00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:04,959 So this moment before you go online, 928 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,759 I take pictures because you always need 929 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,219 the code again for your friend coming 930 00:33:09,220 --> 00:33:10,359 for your other device. 931 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,709 But then I had this collection. 932 00:33:11,710 --> 00:33:13,959 I thought, I may get me this postcard 933 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,129 series out of it. 934 00:33:15,130 --> 00:33:16,929 And of course, there's always these 935 00:33:16,930 --> 00:33:18,279 errors, right? 936 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,359 Password like kitten love. 937 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,579 I know. All lowercase, right? 938 00:33:21,580 --> 00:33:22,539 It's always. 939 00:33:22,540 --> 00:33:23,649 It's yeah, it's like this. 940 00:33:23,650 --> 00:33:24,650 This awkward moment 941 00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:28,659 I. And this summer I printed 942 00:33:28,660 --> 00:33:30,849 my open p-gp code, my public 943 00:33:30,850 --> 00:33:33,039 PDP code and print it on 944 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,029 canvas again. 945 00:33:34,030 --> 00:33:36,279 Like making this like a real painting. 946 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,709 Like, it's a very important picture 947 00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:40,839 this. Yeah, I'm not going to talk 948 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:41,769 about cryptography. 949 00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:43,779 There's nothing said already yesterday in 950 00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:46,029 the keynote how important this is. 951 00:33:46,030 --> 00:33:47,949 It's not the salvation to all the 952 00:33:47,950 --> 00:33:50,439 problems now, but it's really I 953 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,239 thing where, you know, obviously we were 954 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,669 at this moment. Now this year, now we're 955 00:33:54,670 --> 00:33:56,589 going to have internet. 956 00:33:56,590 --> 00:33:58,659 Uh, yeah, lust 957 00:33:58,660 --> 00:34:00,799 is, uh, 958 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:01,800 has the same 959 00:34:03,850 --> 00:34:05,979 kind of kind of these these these 960 00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:08,229 moments where the internet was a nice 961 00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:09,759 place to play. 962 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,198 Definitely over. 963 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,299 And encryption is going to be more and 964 00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:14,379 more important. 965 00:34:14,380 --> 00:34:16,669 And again, also about passwords. 966 00:34:16,670 --> 00:34:18,819 Forgot your password is an added 967 00:34:18,820 --> 00:34:21,249 volume printed 968 00:34:21,250 --> 00:34:24,459 books. And in these books you find 969 00:34:24,460 --> 00:34:26,619 seven and a 4.7 million 970 00:34:26,620 --> 00:34:28,899 clear text passwords from LinkedIn, 971 00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:31,959 which got stolen in 2012. 972 00:34:38,650 --> 00:34:40,779 So you you are when when 973 00:34:40,780 --> 00:34:42,999 this is on, so you can just like try 974 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,769 to check if your passport is in there. 975 00:34:44,770 --> 00:34:46,988 I mean, the whole database was much 976 00:34:46,989 --> 00:34:48,638 bigger and there was just a small amount, 977 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,589 which was kind of somewhat, yeah, the 978 00:34:50,590 --> 00:34:52,689 hackers kind of dropped on the in some 979 00:34:52,690 --> 00:34:54,999 forums like decode this or decrypt this, 980 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,589 and people kind of decrypt it, and you 981 00:34:56,590 --> 00:34:58,839 find a quite big chunk of decrypted 982 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,759 passwords. And yeah, I mean, all these 983 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,589 services lose their passwords all the 984 00:35:02,590 --> 00:35:03,769 time, right? 985 00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:05,619 And another again, like something a 986 00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:07,389 system which is not really working 987 00:35:07,390 --> 00:35:08,390 anymore. 988 00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:12,339 And it's this very private, 989 00:35:12,340 --> 00:35:14,049 right? You supposed to keep it super 990 00:35:14,050 --> 00:35:16,389 private. And they're 991 00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:17,390 there. 992 00:35:17,830 --> 00:35:19,359 And yeah, it was on the on the web 993 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,429 recently. I'm going to quickly talk about 994 00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:23,529 Fat Lab. It's a it's an artist group 995 00:35:23,530 --> 00:35:25,779 founded by James Padilla and Evan 996 00:35:25,780 --> 00:35:27,369 Roth in 2007. 997 00:35:27,370 --> 00:35:29,469 I'm part of it. Since 2009, it's 998 00:35:29,470 --> 00:35:31,899 very much dedicated to the 999 00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:34,209 connection or the sweet spot in between 1000 00:35:34,210 --> 00:35:36,729 open source and pop culture. 1001 00:35:36,730 --> 00:35:38,199 It's very much a few scifi, which is 1002 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,239 derived from the graffiti research lab 1003 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,519 Evan and James were doing before. 1004 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,459 And it's a lot about copyright, about 1005 00:35:45,460 --> 00:35:47,559 about these privacy 1006 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,659 questions online and, you know, with 1007 00:35:49,660 --> 00:35:52,419 an artistic, provocative approach. 1008 00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:54,519 This is a book which just came out. 1009 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,529 You can download it for free on the 1010 00:35:56,530 --> 00:35:58,809 website or you can also have a print. 1011 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,929 And in 2010, I'm going to show this one 1012 00:36:01,930 --> 00:36:04,149 project. We were invited to Google 1013 00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:06,219 Earth to transmit Diyala 1014 00:36:06,220 --> 00:36:08,319 in Berlin, to the media festival, 1015 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,419 and we did a whole week of fake Google 1016 00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:11,499 projects. 1017 00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:13,659 And there were like all kinds of 1018 00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:15,369 little interventions, online browser plug 1019 00:36:15,370 --> 00:36:16,449 ins, etc. 1020 00:36:16,450 --> 00:36:18,309 But we also went. 1021 00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:22,939 In the city with a with a fake Google 1022 00:36:22,940 --> 00:36:25,339 car. And so we 1023 00:36:25,340 --> 00:36:27,409 were building this camera top there 1024 00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:29,479 and put this mounted all this on the 1025 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,069 on the car. 1026 00:36:31,070 --> 00:36:32,959 Yes. There's no tech in there. 1027 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,409 It's just a mock up. 1028 00:36:34,410 --> 00:36:36,739 There's no cameras, nothing recording. 1029 00:36:36,740 --> 00:36:38,629 But the moment you put a Google sticker 1030 00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:40,939 on your car, you are Google. 1031 00:36:40,940 --> 00:36:42,779 And nobody would doubt it also. 1032 00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:45,019 That was prior to the Germany 1033 00:36:45,020 --> 00:36:46,969 very big discussion in 2010, in the 1034 00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:48,229 summer about privacy. 1035 00:36:50,030 --> 00:36:51,439 And it's interesting how 1036 00:36:52,530 --> 00:36:53,540 how well it's what's it. 1037 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,659 Yes, all these weird things happened to 1038 00:37:17,660 --> 00:37:19,849 the Google car, and it kind 1039 00:37:19,850 --> 00:37:21,949 of he doesn't 1040 00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:23,179 know its way, right? 1041 00:37:30,970 --> 00:37:32,359 Whole, yeah, 1042 00:37:33,830 --> 00:37:35,690 there was a big topic in 2010. 1043 00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:39,779 And they have all these weird problems 1044 00:37:39,780 --> 00:37:41,279 all the time, right? I mean, it's just 1045 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,280 not working. 1046 00:37:55,290 --> 00:37:56,519 What do you want? 1047 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,019 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 1048 00:37:59,020 --> 00:38:00,989 hey. This is Google Glass. 1049 00:38:00,990 --> 00:38:03,209 Turn off the camera 1050 00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:05,519 and we can't tell you we had a second 1051 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,889 car and we were following 1052 00:38:07,890 --> 00:38:09,119 ourself through the city. 1053 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,339 So kind of we claimed on Twitter we found 1054 00:38:11,340 --> 00:38:13,409 the bunker. We following it and kind 1055 00:38:13,410 --> 00:38:15,779 of demonstrated against it playing 1056 00:38:15,780 --> 00:38:18,929 the snake. This was all fake garage, 1057 00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:20,759 but immediately people kind of interacted 1058 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:21,760 in the streets. 1059 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,609 Well, they got drunk really bad 1060 00:38:27,610 --> 00:38:28,610 and. 1061 00:38:45,090 --> 00:38:47,039 And again, a brave citizen. 1062 00:38:51,690 --> 00:38:53,789 He was reaching into his pocket, so it 1063 00:38:53,790 --> 00:38:54,689 was like, everybody's. 1064 00:38:54,690 --> 00:38:55,690 This is the movie. 1065 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,209 So we had a lot of fun with the car and 1066 00:39:01,350 --> 00:39:02,350 I think it's. 1067 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,039 I think it's very interesting how, 1068 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,229 again, like it's super easy 1069 00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:16,599 to understand for the public. 1070 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,819 Oh yeah, there's a car going 1071 00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:20,139 in the country. They're making pictures 1072 00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:22,089 of every house, every fence like my 1073 00:39:22,090 --> 00:39:24,429 garden and how like data 1074 00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:26,289 is collected and browsers and cookies and 1075 00:39:26,290 --> 00:39:28,359 all this. It's like it's so hard to 1076 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,429 understand and to kind of, 1077 00:39:30,430 --> 00:39:32,049 yeah, to teach people this. 1078 00:39:32,050 --> 00:39:33,949 And it's very it's again this moment. 1079 00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:35,619 I mean, Google wants to be the portal 1080 00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:37,659 plug in the wall you don't think about, 1081 00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:40,029 right? But they ever tried to call 1082 00:39:40,030 --> 00:39:41,589 someone. They're like, Oh yeah, I have a 1083 00:39:41,590 --> 00:39:42,699 problem with my Gmail. 1084 00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:43,779 It's just not possible. 1085 00:39:43,780 --> 00:39:46,119 It's like these invisible companies and 1086 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,679 about the moment there's a car in the 1087 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,079 city and was really quite an experience 1088 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,639 to drive that car because everybody's 1089 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,589 reacting to it. You could just like stop 1090 00:39:53,590 --> 00:39:55,059 in the middle of traffic. Nobody will 1091 00:39:55,060 --> 00:39:56,979 yell at you. It's just because you're 1092 00:39:56,980 --> 00:39:59,379 Google. So it's kind of 1093 00:39:59,380 --> 00:40:01,329 you get you get the idea of the impact 1094 00:40:01,330 --> 00:40:02,409 these companies have. 1095 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,429 Yeah, some other fun project. 1096 00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:07,839 They coming to an end soon to 1097 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,339 the Pirate Bay movie came out. 1098 00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:11,679 Beginning of this year, I was lucky 1099 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,199 to be in the premiere in the cinema, 1100 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,419 and I also had 1101 00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:18,969 the idea to made a cam screening 1102 00:40:18,970 --> 00:40:20,079 version, right? 1103 00:40:24,270 --> 00:40:26,819 So this was my first cam 1104 00:40:26,820 --> 00:40:28,919 camera Cornet movie I had, no, not 1105 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,019 you. You can you can download 1106 00:40:31,020 --> 00:40:32,849 it on this. 1107 00:40:32,850 --> 00:40:34,499 There's interviews in the front and up 1108 00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:36,209 front and also after the movie. 1109 00:40:36,210 --> 00:40:38,069 This was the best scene in the movie 1110 00:40:38,070 --> 00:40:39,389 theater, actually. 1111 00:40:39,390 --> 00:40:41,609 People were like yelling, like, really 1112 00:40:41,610 --> 00:40:42,629 loud. 1113 00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:43,630 And 1114 00:40:44,910 --> 00:40:46,499 the editor of the movie was sitting right 1115 00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:48,009 in front of me, and I was like, busy with 1116 00:40:48,010 --> 00:40:49,619 the duct tape, like the whole show. 1117 00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:52,889 And you can download it on as a as 1118 00:40:52,890 --> 00:40:54,569 a torrent. Of course, it's also on 1119 00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:55,570 YouTube, but. 1120 00:40:57,350 --> 00:40:59,179 Well, yeah, this this is good stuff I 1121 00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:01,489 made for for Fat Lab the fuck 3D 1122 00:41:01,490 --> 00:41:03,379 glasses with 2009. 1123 00:41:03,380 --> 00:41:05,479 I think Avatar was out 1124 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,800 and it was really kind of. 1125 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,139 So are these like little projects, very 1126 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:18,209 fast projects like doing on site labs, 1127 00:41:18,210 --> 00:41:20,129 a lot of fun. And then. 1128 00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:22,319 Yeah. And June Obama was visiting 1129 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:23,909 Berlin, and this was right two weeks 1130 00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:26,399 after the first revelations by Snowden. 1131 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,659 So I made this mask. 1132 00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:29,879 And of course, I mean, Obama never 1133 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,949 wore the Google Glass before, 1134 00:41:31,950 --> 00:41:33,599 right? But we all know like what what's 1135 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,369 going to happen when all this technology 1136 00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:37,589 comes in place. And yeah, that's 1137 00:41:37,590 --> 00:41:39,029 a prism in the front, right? 1138 00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:40,030 So. 1139 00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:42,509 And who's who has access to the data? 1140 00:41:42,510 --> 00:41:44,129 Of course, that's recording all the time 1141 00:41:44,130 --> 00:41:45,480 to improve the service, right? 1142 00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:48,749 So I took this in the city and also kind 1143 00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:50,969 of got it into into the into 1144 00:41:50,970 --> 00:41:53,009 the media, but also made some nice tweets 1145 00:41:53,010 --> 00:41:55,439 about it. Obama is visiting the Stasi 1146 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,929 Museum. This was quite successful 1147 00:41:57,930 --> 00:41:58,930 online. 1148 00:42:00,630 --> 00:42:02,309 This was on the show dropping the 1149 00:42:02,310 --> 00:42:03,989 internet, yeah, and that's again, that's 1150 00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:05,820 what I was missing that word before. 1151 00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:08,549 It's a very recent piece and it's a 1152 00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:10,109 quote. It's like, this is this famous 1153 00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:12,269 piece by Chinese famous artist AI 1154 00:42:12,270 --> 00:42:14,129 Weiwei, and he's dropping the urn like 1155 00:42:14,130 --> 00:42:16,079 this super expensive earned from 5000 1156 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,239 years ago. Just dropping it. 1157 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:20,439 And it's like this. 1158 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,679 Yeah, that. Yeah, well, I mean, for me, 1159 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,299 like the innocence is kind of the 1160 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:25,289 innocence of the internet. 1161 00:42:25,290 --> 00:42:27,089 It's over like we all knew this, 1162 00:42:27,090 --> 00:42:28,499 something was going on, etc. 1163 00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:30,659 But now it's like it's on a bigger scale. 1164 00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:33,269 And yeah, more people get the idea now. 1165 00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:35,369 But also the and I discussed 1166 00:42:35,370 --> 00:42:37,829 this a lot even with with Alice, 1167 00:42:37,830 --> 00:42:39,989 who talked yesterday the morning, she was 1168 00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:41,789 like, Oh, this is naive to believe in it. 1169 00:42:41,790 --> 00:42:43,949 But I mean that that belief and 1170 00:42:43,950 --> 00:42:45,929 like this internet will change. 1171 00:42:45,930 --> 00:42:48,029 Will they make better society, 1172 00:42:48,030 --> 00:42:49,619 more democracy, all these things and we 1173 00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:51,929 know, yeah, it's not necessarily only 1174 00:42:51,930 --> 00:42:54,389 due to that depends on us, right? 1175 00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:56,579 But it still it had that 1176 00:42:56,580 --> 00:42:58,619 that and it's also the sub line of the 1177 00:42:58,620 --> 00:43:00,179 talk how to make art after Snowden. 1178 00:43:00,180 --> 00:43:01,589 I mean, there's a lot of these projects 1179 00:43:01,590 --> 00:43:03,929 which kind of go 1180 00:43:03,930 --> 00:43:05,070 to the topic. But 1181 00:43:06,570 --> 00:43:08,609 right now, like after this revelations of 1182 00:43:08,610 --> 00:43:10,409 the summer, I've kind of like, I kind of 1183 00:43:10,410 --> 00:43:12,359 feel numb, like, Oh shit, what should I 1184 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,609 do now? I mean, this is like so big. 1185 00:43:14,610 --> 00:43:16,859 You do like a fun fact project, 1186 00:43:16,860 --> 00:43:19,049 but it's like, it's not 1187 00:43:19,050 --> 00:43:20,309 touching it, really. 1188 00:43:20,310 --> 00:43:22,499 It's. And I also I don't have an answer 1189 00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:23,789 to that question yet. 1190 00:43:23,790 --> 00:43:25,289 I mean, of course, there needs to be more 1191 00:43:25,290 --> 00:43:27,569 time. And also, I think on the technology 1192 00:43:27,570 --> 00:43:29,699 level, there's the most interesting 1193 00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:31,019 stuff not happening. 1194 00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:33,179 But yeah, of course, there's now a lot 1195 00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:36,159 of art in that in that field, too. 1196 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,089 And the angle of of prior projects, 1197 00:43:39,090 --> 00:43:41,369 the prospectus people see them 1198 00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:43,019 has changed, which is interesting. 1199 00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:44,519 What I said about that drafts kind of 1200 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,169 people really like, see it in a different 1201 00:43:46,170 --> 00:43:47,819 light today. 1202 00:43:47,820 --> 00:43:50,639 And last but not least, 1203 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,159 this was my very first show. 1204 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,289 Let's say my I started 1205 00:43:55,290 --> 00:43:57,239 making art like after school, but 1206 00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:59,639 beginning of 2000 and 1207 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,169 but not really like, Oh yeah, maybe I 1208 00:44:01,170 --> 00:44:02,099 make art. Maybe not. 1209 00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,229 And then there was blinking lights, which 1210 00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:05,309 I love very much. 1211 00:44:05,310 --> 00:44:07,439 You probably all know this interactive 1212 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,659 facade project for the 20th 1213 00:44:09,660 --> 00:44:11,789 birthday day of the CCC in 2000. 1214 00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:13,979 One. 1215 00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:16,679 And then there was the blinking area 1216 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,289 in which is still down stairs, and 1217 00:44:19,290 --> 00:44:21,939 actually I showed my my first pieces, 1218 00:44:21,940 --> 00:44:24,479 my first artwork and let's say in a show 1219 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,399 right here on the window. 1220 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,739 And it's kind of I was inspired and like, 1221 00:44:28,740 --> 00:44:30,659 we guys were inspired by blinking lights 1222 00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:32,789 and its brilliance, and I made 1223 00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:35,609 this analog 1224 00:44:35,610 --> 00:44:37,919 screen, which was driven by a punch 1225 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,479 card system. 1226 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,009 And that's a punch spot where you can 1227 00:44:41,010 --> 00:44:42,269 program the screen. 1228 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,929 I don't give you much time to understand 1229 00:44:45,930 --> 00:44:48,179 this now, but this 64 tracks 1230 00:44:48,180 --> 00:44:50,669 on the paper, which control 1231 00:44:50,670 --> 00:44:53,489 the 64 pixels in the field 1232 00:44:53,490 --> 00:44:54,869 and you can program them. 1233 00:44:55,980 --> 00:44:56,939 And also, yeah, maybe. 1234 00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:58,619 Yeah, that's a super shot movie. 1235 00:44:59,860 --> 00:45:02,139 To get an idea, so the light 1236 00:45:02,140 --> 00:45:04,269 in the back is constant light, there's no 1237 00:45:04,270 --> 00:45:06,489 electronic circuits going on, it's 1238 00:45:06,490 --> 00:45:08,949 just a Christmas candle chain 1239 00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:11,259 and just the holes of the on the punch 1240 00:45:11,260 --> 00:45:12,399 card. Kind of. 1241 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,829 Yeah, give free, free 1242 00:45:14,830 --> 00:45:16,839 way to the light to shine through there. 1243 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,969 And it's sort of like what 1244 00:45:18,970 --> 00:45:20,650 the what the piano and all the other 1245 00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:24,219 weaving and all these things were. 1246 00:45:26,020 --> 00:45:28,089 Yeah, but as a as a screen sort of 1247 00:45:28,090 --> 00:45:30,009 reinvented the screen as it never has 1248 00:45:30,010 --> 00:45:31,629 been invented, sort of. 1249 00:45:31,630 --> 00:45:33,489 And also, I showed and that's the last 1250 00:45:33,490 --> 00:45:36,189 piece I'm showing random screen 1251 00:45:36,190 --> 00:45:38,319 in 2005 at the 1252 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,299 Congress, but also I showed it in many 1253 00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:42,369 shows afterwards its pixels, 1254 00:45:42,370 --> 00:45:44,619 they're blinking very random, 1255 00:45:44,620 --> 00:45:47,229 and the pixel itself 1256 00:45:47,230 --> 00:45:49,329 is very much digital language to us. 1257 00:45:49,330 --> 00:45:51,339 When you see them, it's like the icon of 1258 00:45:51,340 --> 00:45:52,340 of digital. 1259 00:45:53,620 --> 00:45:55,509 It's funny today when you show this kids, 1260 00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:57,070 they would say it's Minecraft. 1261 00:45:58,300 --> 00:45:59,709 And then when you see when you look on 1262 00:45:59,710 --> 00:46:01,299 the backside, you will notice that all 1263 00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:03,459 these pixels, each pixel is controlled 1264 00:46:03,460 --> 00:46:05,649 by a T candlelight and it has a spinning 1265 00:46:05,650 --> 00:46:07,929 beer can on top, which is like 1266 00:46:07,930 --> 00:46:10,569 rotating by the rising heat. 1267 00:46:10,570 --> 00:46:13,089 And so this only fire on the back 1268 00:46:13,090 --> 00:46:14,090 right? 1269 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,749 And this very much illustrates what I 1270 00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:23,889 like these what? 1271 00:46:23,890 --> 00:46:25,659 Yeah, what I like to talk about these two 1272 00:46:25,660 --> 00:46:28,099 sites and we're very stuck. 1273 00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:30,279 So I show this on a show and that's 1274 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,439 a tech guy from another piece like 1275 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,179 asking me how I control all these Tesla 1276 00:46:34,180 --> 00:46:36,009 Motors and they're like, Wait, and 1277 00:46:36,010 --> 00:46:37,419 there's no motors in there. 1278 00:46:37,420 --> 00:46:39,519 We really kind of have the technology 1279 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,890 thinking also for these kind of events. 1280 00:46:43,540 --> 00:46:45,699 OK, so I think this is 1281 00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:48,159 the this was the talk. 1282 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,069 What else? I'm doing a workshop upstairs. 1283 00:46:51,070 --> 00:46:53,319 It's based on this mobile phone blocking 1284 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,739 pouch, which I also did in 2003. 1285 00:46:56,740 --> 00:46:58,269 Now it's like there's a lot of products 1286 00:46:58,270 --> 00:47:00,489 out there already, but you can 1287 00:47:00,490 --> 00:47:01,719 come upstairs. 1288 00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:03,789 I will open up afterwards in the 1289 00:47:03,790 --> 00:47:05,619 four year detail and you can make your 1290 00:47:05,620 --> 00:47:07,989 own mobile phone blocking pouch from this 1291 00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:10,509 copper cloth material. 1292 00:47:10,510 --> 00:47:12,579 And yeah, 1293 00:47:12,580 --> 00:47:13,689 this is my website. 1294 00:47:13,690 --> 00:47:15,249 You find me on Twitter. 1295 00:47:15,250 --> 00:47:16,250 Thank you. 1296 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,579 Thank you for your great show. 1297 00:47:31,580 --> 00:47:33,639 And we still have some time 1298 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,379 to take some questions. 1299 00:47:35,380 --> 00:47:36,909 There are microphones on the 1300 00:47:38,140 --> 00:47:40,449 in the aisles and also there 1301 00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:43,029 is a signal angel who's been monitoring 1302 00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:44,319 the I.R.S. 1303 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,320 and Twitter. 1304 00:47:46,090 --> 00:47:47,710 Any questions anywhere? 1305 00:47:52,220 --> 00:47:54,779 Woops. Okay, so no questions. 1306 00:47:54,780 --> 00:47:57,409 You think you have to pose the question? 1307 00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:58,460 Oh, somebody is waving. 1308 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,459 Here, oh, there's one question. 1309 00:48:02,460 --> 00:48:04,019 Microphone two. 1310 00:48:04,020 --> 00:48:06,329 Yeah, I would like to ask whether 1311 00:48:06,330 --> 00:48:07,949 it would make sense 1312 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,309 concerning the backdrops because 1313 00:48:11,310 --> 00:48:13,439 they are broken down often enough, 1314 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,079 and I have seen that in the past. 1315 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,289 Would it make sense to create wireless 1316 00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:18,899 last drops? 1317 00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:20,949 Yeah, there are wireless dead drops. 1318 00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:23,009 They should. It was not in the slideshow. 1319 00:48:23,010 --> 00:48:24,570 I don't know for some reason, but. 1320 00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:27,390 There is. 1321 00:48:28,580 --> 00:48:29,580 Pirate Fox. 1322 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,440 Very 1323 00:48:34,420 --> 00:48:35,829 OK, now you know what I'm watching, 1324 00:48:35,830 --> 00:48:36,830 right? 1325 00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:40,999 Which is which was made by David Dart's, 1326 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,119 we also made a workshop together 1327 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,469 a year or two years ago, and 1328 00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:47,169 there's all these wireless versions of 1329 00:48:47,170 --> 00:48:49,599 it. Oh, now this don't 1330 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:50,600 know. 1331 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,749 So it's out there. 1332 00:48:52,750 --> 00:48:55,029 Just search for Pirate Box and 1333 00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:56,829 there's the library version. 1334 00:48:56,830 --> 00:48:58,659 There's a whole bunch of people coding 1335 00:48:58,660 --> 00:49:00,909 for the open w.r.t field, 1336 00:49:00,910 --> 00:49:02,199 wrote us so. 1337 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,059 And also, like other tech, people always 1338 00:49:04,060 --> 00:49:05,709 say, like, use the cable right, you will 1339 00:49:05,710 --> 00:49:06,909 break it, etc.. 1340 00:49:06,910 --> 00:49:08,889 For me, it was very important that you 1341 00:49:08,890 --> 00:49:11,919 you plug in your laptop like really 1342 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,739 hot where I took the building and 1343 00:49:14,740 --> 00:49:16,359 then not lasting long, but at the same 1344 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,189 time. Also, it's super easy to make 1345 00:49:18,190 --> 00:49:20,469 right. You don't let kids make them you, 1346 00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:22,599 you buy them for five bucks, you put 1347 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,289 them in the wall done right. 1348 00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:26,709 It's and it's like, 1349 00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:28,539 they're not. I mean, also, TorrentFreak 1350 00:49:28,540 --> 00:49:29,949 wrote about it. They were like, Oh yeah, 1351 00:49:29,950 --> 00:49:30,999 it's a cool project. 1352 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,039 It's not very efficient, though, for file 1353 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,229 sharing, right? I mean, you 1354 00:49:35,230 --> 00:49:36,399 don't know what's on there. 1355 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,719 You have to go to the place. 1356 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:38,720 Might be broken. 1357 00:49:39,550 --> 00:49:40,629 OK, thank you. 1358 00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:41,559 It's symbolic for me. 1359 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:42,639 It's very symbolic. 1360 00:49:47,620 --> 00:49:48,909 Next question, please. 1361 00:49:48,910 --> 00:49:49,910 OK. 1362 00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:53,349 Um, I'm a little bit, 1363 00:49:53,350 --> 00:49:55,659 uh, irritating, 1364 00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:57,849 uh, because of the subtitle, uh, 1365 00:49:57,850 --> 00:50:00,039 how to Make Art after Snowden. 1366 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,229 Uh, the most of the art you show 1367 00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:05,499 was before Snowden. 1368 00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:08,349 Um, was it just, uh? 1369 00:50:08,350 --> 00:50:10,539 Why? Catchy subtitle or. 1370 00:50:10,540 --> 00:50:12,639 I mean, do you really think that 1371 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,849 that this, uh, 1372 00:50:15,850 --> 00:50:17,840 all that that what happened, uh, 1373 00:50:18,850 --> 00:50:21,369 would change art in the future? 1374 00:50:21,370 --> 00:50:24,369 Or do you just think that's, uh, 1375 00:50:24,370 --> 00:50:27,339 it's just not so much fun anymore? 1376 00:50:27,340 --> 00:50:29,379 Well, I mean, that's that's a it's a good 1377 00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:31,539 question. And also that's what 1378 00:50:31,540 --> 00:50:33,039 I meant when I talked about these three 1379 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,040 pictures that 1380 00:50:35,140 --> 00:50:37,299 there's no like the 1381 00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:38,349 proper answer to it. 1382 00:50:38,350 --> 00:50:40,389 Artists are obviously a mirror of society 1383 00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:43,269 and it and it takes time to kind of 1384 00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:45,519 see how kind of art reacted to this. 1385 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,889 There will be, I mean, well, 1386 00:50:47,890 --> 00:50:49,779 tonight there's a talk by Trevor Paglen. 1387 00:50:49,780 --> 00:50:51,039 I mean, now there's all these people 1388 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,169 who've been like doing stuff on that 1389 00:50:53,170 --> 00:50:55,299 field. And now that kind of there's 1390 00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:56,980 a lot of attention to this coming, 1391 00:50:59,020 --> 00:51:00,559 of course. Take the sublime. 1392 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,689 The kind of was like a teaser to 1393 00:51:02,690 --> 00:51:04,149 make you come here, right? 1394 00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:05,589 A hack. 1395 00:51:05,590 --> 00:51:07,780 But that's not I mean, it's really 1396 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,209 for me, it's like a question. 1397 00:51:10,210 --> 00:51:12,099 And also when when this whole thing 1398 00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:14,259 happen, it it 1399 00:51:14,260 --> 00:51:16,749 also makes me sad. Like like the the 1400 00:51:16,750 --> 00:51:19,329 they just believe in all this stuff and. 1401 00:51:20,850 --> 00:51:23,729 And I ask this myself, 1402 00:51:23,730 --> 00:51:24,869 right? 1403 00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:26,669 What do you think is the 1404 00:51:26,670 --> 00:51:28,199 right, the proper answer? 1405 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,299 Well, we have to find out right 1406 00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:32,759 now what what do you think is 1407 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:33,760 has to? 1408 00:51:36,290 --> 00:51:38,569 And City of Karbala couldn't get 1409 00:51:38,570 --> 00:51:40,639 that nasty and 1410 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,319 Ignis Mount Snowdon. 1411 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,379 Yeah, this should be the worst 1412 00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:46,609 of it. I couldn't see. So the 1413 00:51:46,610 --> 00:51:47,989 the task of the art? 1414 00:51:49,100 --> 00:51:51,319 Well, I mean this there's always a venue. 1415 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,419 Then then we can start to discuss about 1416 00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:55,579 art and its role in society. 1417 00:51:55,580 --> 00:51:57,679 And that's a very broad topic. 1418 00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,869 And it goes like from high end market 1419 00:51:59,870 --> 00:52:02,149 to like very 1420 00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:03,619 low end Tumblr blog. 1421 00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:05,839 I make it like people make 1422 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,119 stuff so much, which is super important, 1423 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,889 but don't even consider it art. 1424 00:52:12,110 --> 00:52:13,110 It's. 1425 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:15,679 Well, yeah, that's a that's a big 1426 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,119 question. You have an idea for it, 1427 00:52:18,650 --> 00:52:20,849 whether this is Google Street View, 1428 00:52:20,850 --> 00:52:21,319 could 1429 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,719 you actually, if you're OK with 1430 00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:25,429 take a conversation with the artist? 1431 00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:27,889 Yeah, we might be here on some 1432 00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:30,139 other place and I've got a question from 1433 00:52:30,140 --> 00:52:31,140 the internet. 1434 00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:34,579 Yeah. First of all, I'm asked 1435 00:52:34,580 --> 00:52:36,769 to say thank you again for the Goodnight 1436 00:52:36,770 --> 00:52:39,949 White Pride shirt you gave to Kitty. 1437 00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:42,169 And second, 1438 00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:44,839 Frost asked, How do you 1439 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,519 how do you make a living? 1440 00:52:47,540 --> 00:52:49,609 And he said, perhaps he does that, 1441 00:52:49,610 --> 00:52:50,899 but 1442 00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:53,000 well, yeah, it's it's a mix of like 1443 00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:56,329 giving talks, getting 1444 00:52:56,330 --> 00:52:57,439 paid for giving talks. 1445 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,109 Not here, but so it's like workshops, 1446 00:53:00,110 --> 00:53:02,329 giving talks, showing art like any artist 1447 00:53:02,330 --> 00:53:03,949 fees for showing art, but also selling 1448 00:53:03,950 --> 00:53:05,689 art. It's like a whole. 1449 00:53:05,690 --> 00:53:07,969 I do the whole wide 1450 00:53:07,970 --> 00:53:10,299 range of that, so it's 1451 00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:12,229 it's not easy to make a living as an 1452 00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:14,449 artist. If you want to make money, don't 1453 00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:15,469 make art, right? 1454 00:53:17,060 --> 00:53:19,279 But at some point, I don't make anything 1455 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,869 like anything on the site. 1456 00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:22,999 But it's say like what I 1457 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,289 showed since 2003. 1458 00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:25,899 I mean, I did a lot of stuff on the site. 1459 00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:27,259 This was just like, this was my side 1460 00:53:27,260 --> 00:53:29,509 project. Now I only make art, 1461 00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:30,949 but it's 1462 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,000 it's never easy. 1463 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,079 OK, so there are no more questions. 1464 00:53:40,130 --> 00:53:42,170 Once again, thank you very much and. 1465 00:53:44,020 --> 00:53:46,409 Oh, I just I 1466 00:53:46,410 --> 00:53:48,789 overlook the microphone, I'm so sorry. 1467 00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:51,389 So one question on microphone one. 1468 00:53:51,390 --> 00:53:53,309 Hi. Yeah, it's I mean, I think we've got 1469 00:53:53,310 --> 00:53:54,629 three minutes. I was wondering about the 1470 00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:56,159 Google car project. 1471 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,579 What did you do with that? 1472 00:53:57,580 --> 00:53:59,549 Was that just for the performance of 1473 00:53:59,550 --> 00:54:00,809 doing it in the time? I know you showed 1474 00:54:00,810 --> 00:54:03,239 some video here, but was there 1475 00:54:04,260 --> 00:54:06,129 was it was it documented? 1476 00:54:06,130 --> 00:54:09,299 Was the point of it just the performance 1477 00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:11,849 of doing it? Or is there more 1478 00:54:11,850 --> 00:54:13,169 on it? Is there a 1479 00:54:13,170 --> 00:54:14,339 longer? 1480 00:54:14,340 --> 00:54:15,749 Yeah. Well, I saw something. 1481 00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:16,749 Yeah, well, that's the thing. 1482 00:54:16,750 --> 00:54:18,179 It has different layers, of course. 1483 00:54:18,180 --> 00:54:19,649 That's always when you do performance in 1484 00:54:19,650 --> 00:54:20,760 public space and 1485 00:54:21,950 --> 00:54:24,119 the video, when there's video 1486 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,949 of it, that's the only documentation. 1487 00:54:25,950 --> 00:54:28,109 And this is not always the discussion 1488 00:54:28,110 --> 00:54:30,029 is the documentation of the piece or not. 1489 00:54:30,030 --> 00:54:32,069 Most people have seen this on as a as a 1490 00:54:32,070 --> 00:54:34,169 video, and fewer people have seen 1491 00:54:34,170 --> 00:54:35,459 it in public space. 1492 00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:37,199 So you can't argue about this. 1493 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,209 And as is true for many, like performance 1494 00:54:39,210 --> 00:54:41,909 art from over all the decades 1495 00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:44,219 and in this case, I mean, 1496 00:54:44,220 --> 00:54:46,319 left works very much online. 1497 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,219 Very so. 1498 00:54:47,220 --> 00:54:49,529 There was a it was like it started 1499 00:54:49,530 --> 00:54:51,149 as a hoax, actually. So there was all the 1500 00:54:51,150 --> 00:54:53,489 big press, Huffington Post, etc. 1501 00:54:53,490 --> 00:54:54,829 They were like, Oh yeah, that's this fed 1502 00:54:54,830 --> 00:54:56,459 lab. And they they following the Google 1503 00:54:56,460 --> 00:54:58,559 car in Germany, it really started as 1504 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,539 a hoax online and kind of a few days 1505 00:55:00,540 --> 00:55:01,919 later was then uncovered. 1506 00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:06,729 And of course, it's also 1507 00:55:06,730 --> 00:55:08,379 when you when you work with Google and 1508 00:55:08,380 --> 00:55:10,539 you do. I mean, the idea was to make 1509 00:55:10,540 --> 00:55:12,729 stuff with Google Car, which they 1510 00:55:12,730 --> 00:55:14,559 wouldn't do and don't want to see it and 1511 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:15,759 that kind of light. 1512 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,949 So at the same time, 1513 00:55:17,950 --> 00:55:20,229 you knew that was like while driving 1514 00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:21,549 their car is so kind of scary. 1515 00:55:21,550 --> 00:55:23,349 Everybody was like, Oh yeah, the Google 1516 00:55:23,350 --> 00:55:25,989 car kind of being enthusiastic 1517 00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:28,389 about it. So it's it's 1518 00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:30,879 it's as also as an artist. 1519 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,949 It's important when you make these 1520 00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:34,719 things that you kind of, yeah, you're on 1521 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:36,819 a thin line to very important 1522 00:55:36,820 --> 00:55:38,379 how you make this. 1523 00:55:38,380 --> 00:55:39,339 I think. 1524 00:55:39,340 --> 00:55:40,340 Thanks. 1525 00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:43,969 One last question. 1526 00:55:43,970 --> 00:55:46,219 My question is also about the Google 1527 00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:48,469 car and about 1528 00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:49,789 being critical. I'm a little bit 1529 00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:52,849 surprised that you said that 1530 00:55:52,850 --> 00:55:55,249 Snowden was such a big shock because I 1531 00:55:55,250 --> 00:55:57,409 knew you as being critical 1532 00:55:57,410 --> 00:55:59,509 against capitalism and 1533 00:55:59,510 --> 00:56:02,059 surveillance. And can you just 1534 00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:03,109 describe it a bit? 1535 00:56:03,110 --> 00:56:03,769 What? 1536 00:56:03,770 --> 00:56:04,849 Well, yes. So yeah, 1537 00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:08,029 that's that's a discussion. 1538 00:56:08,030 --> 00:56:09,769 I also already mentioned it with less. 1539 00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:11,979 I mean, it's saying it's 1540 00:56:11,980 --> 00:56:14,089 that this and then and it was mentioned 1541 00:56:14,090 --> 00:56:16,309 over the past months also often 1542 00:56:16,310 --> 00:56:18,169 one said, Oh, we all knew you knew this. 1543 00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:19,999 Nothing new. While you say, like, why are 1544 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,049 you freaking out? 1545 00:56:21,050 --> 00:56:23,179 And on the other hand, a lot of people, 1546 00:56:23,180 --> 00:56:24,799 for a lot of people, it's new. 1547 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,229 It's not like it's really 1548 00:56:27,230 --> 00:56:28,879 I mean, it's it's so important that this 1549 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,339 happened and it's really good, of course. 1550 00:56:31,340 --> 00:56:33,499 And but it's 1551 00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:34,500 it's. 1552 00:56:35,390 --> 00:56:37,459 It kind of makes or as my 1553 00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:39,259 my my works and all these things and what 1554 00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:40,699 I also showed in the beginning. 1555 00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:42,619 That's what I said about the names above 1556 00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:44,999 our head. A kind of this guy was talking 1557 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,759 was thinking about digital and online and 1558 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:47,719 offline, etc.. 1559 00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:48,979 And now it's so close. 1560 00:56:48,980 --> 00:56:50,929 It's already here. It's kind of like, 1561 00:56:50,930 --> 00:56:53,089 hmm. Like and and all 1562 00:56:53,090 --> 00:56:54,109 the info is out there. 1563 00:56:54,110 --> 00:56:56,179 They have like all the data to just 1564 00:56:56,180 --> 00:56:58,279 make this and it and it becomes so 1565 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,379 scary. Like, that's like, I 1566 00:57:00,380 --> 00:57:02,269 think for myself, sort of like the 1567 00:57:02,270 --> 00:57:04,519 experience, what kind 1568 00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,649 of makes me so much think about it. 1569 00:57:06,650 --> 00:57:08,659 It's not so shocking. 1570 00:57:08,660 --> 00:57:10,149 Super shocking news, right? 1571 00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:11,150 Yeah. 1572 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,019 OK, thank you. 1573 00:57:15,020 --> 00:57:17,079 And thank you for attending if you 1574 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,629 like this, talk. You can rate it 1575 00:57:19,630 --> 00:57:20,800 on the air. 1576 00:57:22,140 --> 00:57:24,569 Conference wiki or 1577 00:57:24,570 --> 00:57:26,369 actually the Penta Bar? 1578 00:57:26,370 --> 00:57:28,469 And as 1579 00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:30,059 you leave the room, please take 1580 00:57:30,060 --> 00:57:32,399 everything with you, you brought in 1581 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,349 with you. That includes everything that 1582 00:57:34,350 --> 00:57:36,839 might have transformed into trash 1583 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,429 and empty bottles. 1584 00:57:38,430 --> 00:57:39,430 Thank you.