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If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/115 Thanks! 1 00:00:17,580 --> 00:00:19,829 Hello, good evening, thank you for having 2 00:00:19,830 --> 00:00:20,939 us here. 3 00:00:20,940 --> 00:00:22,589 Great pleasure to be here. 4 00:00:22,590 --> 00:00:25,109 We are meeting a meeting of the beatnik 5 00:00:25,110 --> 00:00:26,339 artist group from Zurich. 6 00:00:26,340 --> 00:00:27,599 My name is Carmen. 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,759 This is Dorma and we would like 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,249 to talk about our artistic work. 9 00:00:32,250 --> 00:00:34,979 Work deals a lot with public spaces 10 00:00:34,980 --> 00:00:37,709 and the possibilities of publics, 11 00:00:37,710 --> 00:00:40,139 and our practice is very exploitive 12 00:00:40,140 --> 00:00:42,629 and interventionist. 13 00:00:42,630 --> 00:00:44,459 You could say one of our main artistic 14 00:00:44,460 --> 00:00:46,769 practices is hacking. 15 00:00:46,770 --> 00:00:48,989 We take hacking from computer 16 00:00:48,990 --> 00:00:51,179 culture and transfer 17 00:00:51,180 --> 00:00:54,029 it onto our or into our arts 18 00:00:54,030 --> 00:00:55,030 practice. 19 00:00:56,340 --> 00:00:58,829 But instead of trying to explain what 20 00:00:58,830 --> 00:01:00,959 we do in theory, we'll show you two 21 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:01,960 of our works. 22 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,729 The first is called up recording. 23 00:01:05,730 --> 00:01:07,439 It's an older work. 24 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,839 It's from 2007, 25 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,119 and we produced it in collaboration 26 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,939 with Voltaire, which is 27 00:01:14,940 --> 00:01:17,009 another is the art space in Zurich. 28 00:01:17,010 --> 00:01:19,169 It's not space 29 00:01:19,170 --> 00:01:20,819 which is in the house where the other was 30 00:01:20,820 --> 00:01:23,669 founded 100 years ago in Zurich. 31 00:01:23,670 --> 00:01:25,979 And we started 32 00:01:25,980 --> 00:01:28,049 out this work 33 00:01:28,050 --> 00:01:30,119 from accurate curiosity 34 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,279 about opera 35 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,769 and opera 36 00:01:34,770 --> 00:01:37,169 in general as an art form, but also 37 00:01:37,170 --> 00:01:39,509 the Zurich Opera House 38 00:01:39,510 --> 00:01:41,699 coming from digital 39 00:01:41,700 --> 00:01:44,279 culture and the collaborative 40 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,799 practices of the internet. 41 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,809 Opera is a very strange art form. 42 00:01:48,810 --> 00:01:50,069 It's very closed. 43 00:01:51,570 --> 00:01:53,909 You need to be dressed in a certain way 44 00:01:53,910 --> 00:01:55,589 to go there. You need to go there in 45 00:01:55,590 --> 00:01:57,239 person. 46 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,099 There's no way of participating. 47 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:01,289 Otherwise the fees are quite 48 00:02:01,290 --> 00:02:03,389 high, so you need some money also to get 49 00:02:03,390 --> 00:02:04,739 in. And 50 00:02:06,090 --> 00:02:07,659 this led 51 00:02:09,210 --> 00:02:10,499 to this project. 52 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:12,449 So also to give you a little bit more of 53 00:02:12,450 --> 00:02:13,359 a local context. 54 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,509 So 85 percent of all 55 00:02:15,510 --> 00:02:17,649 the cultural budgets of the count 56 00:02:17,650 --> 00:02:19,889 of the week goes directly to this house. 57 00:02:19,890 --> 00:02:22,109 So the rest so the remaining 58 00:02:22,110 --> 00:02:24,179 15 percent are shared by all other art 59 00:02:24,180 --> 00:02:27,239 forms dance theater, museums, 60 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,129 fine art spaces, whatever. 61 00:02:29,130 --> 00:02:31,379 I mean, like 50 percent, whereas 85 62 00:02:31,380 --> 00:02:32,339 so. 63 00:02:32,340 --> 00:02:34,499 And additionally, at the beginning of 64 00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:37,289 the 80s in Zurich, yup, 65 00:02:37,290 --> 00:02:39,359 you had started in front of the Opera 66 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,789 House. So there was a youth 67 00:02:41,790 --> 00:02:44,009 demanding space for 68 00:02:44,010 --> 00:02:46,079 self-organized youth culture and 69 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:47,080 a little bit of money. 70 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,819 So if you talk about opera and 71 00:02:50,820 --> 00:02:52,739 everybody knows about those two 72 00:02:52,740 --> 00:02:55,109 backgrounds, so they always resonate 73 00:02:55,110 --> 00:02:56,110 somehow. 74 00:02:56,550 --> 00:02:58,709 So we asked ourselves, how can we 75 00:02:58,710 --> 00:03:00,929 open up this closed 76 00:03:00,930 --> 00:03:03,509 system of the Zurich Opera House? 77 00:03:03,510 --> 00:03:05,759 How can we become part of the opera 78 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,830 audience without actually going there? 79 00:03:10,660 --> 00:03:12,909 In our research, we stumbled across 80 00:03:12,910 --> 00:03:15,279 this very beautiful image. 81 00:03:16,610 --> 00:03:18,759 It's it shows 82 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,829 the forgotten use of the telephone from 83 00:03:20,830 --> 00:03:23,229 the outgoing 19th century. 84 00:03:23,230 --> 00:03:25,209 So right after the telephone was 85 00:03:25,210 --> 00:03:27,489 invented, companies started 86 00:03:27,490 --> 00:03:30,009 to try to sell the media. 87 00:03:30,010 --> 00:03:32,859 But they couldn't say, Well, you know, 88 00:03:32,860 --> 00:03:34,929 buy yourself a phone and wait for a 89 00:03:34,930 --> 00:03:36,729 while, and maybe somebody else will buy 90 00:03:36,730 --> 00:03:38,949 one in your neighborhood and then you can 91 00:03:38,950 --> 00:03:40,179 call each other. 92 00:03:40,180 --> 00:03:41,919 So what they did was they 93 00:03:43,060 --> 00:03:45,159 they connected whatever local 94 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,679 cultural institutions they had 95 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,279 up to the telephone network. 96 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,639 So you had something called 97 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,889 the auto phone or the 98 00:03:53,890 --> 00:03:56,499 opera phone in in Paris. 99 00:03:56,500 --> 00:03:57,500 And 100 00:03:59,260 --> 00:04:01,329 this this was in place until 101 00:04:01,330 --> 00:04:02,499 the radio was invented. 102 00:04:02,500 --> 00:04:04,629 So basically the telephone was used as 103 00:04:04,630 --> 00:04:05,649 a radio. 104 00:04:05,650 --> 00:04:08,859 Up until the invention of the radio 105 00:04:08,860 --> 00:04:11,289 you see here on the right, 106 00:04:11,290 --> 00:04:13,929 the opera singer in front of her 107 00:04:13,930 --> 00:04:16,208 microphones on the stage. 108 00:04:16,209 --> 00:04:18,429 In the center, you see the telephone 109 00:04:18,430 --> 00:04:20,919 switchboards and then 110 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,229 the family at home receiving 111 00:04:23,230 --> 00:04:25,359 this opera transmission in front of the 112 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,409 telephone. 113 00:04:26,410 --> 00:04:28,539 The telephone doesn't have 114 00:04:28,540 --> 00:04:30,759 a receiver like we know it today. 115 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,489 It's more gramophone loudspeakers, 116 00:04:33,490 --> 00:04:35,179 so it was really used. 117 00:04:35,180 --> 00:04:37,979 This is sort of a wall telephone. 118 00:04:37,980 --> 00:04:40,479 This was like one of the first uses of 119 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,789 live transmission of something, so it was 120 00:04:42,790 --> 00:04:44,139 super strange for the people to 121 00:04:44,140 --> 00:04:46,029 experience something which is not 122 00:04:46,030 --> 00:04:47,030 happening in the same room. 123 00:04:49,390 --> 00:04:51,939 We really like this, and we 124 00:04:51,940 --> 00:04:54,099 sort of asked ourselves what would 125 00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:57,039 happen if we would recreate the service 126 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,079 as a public service? 127 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,149 Nobody had asked for 100 years 128 00:05:01,150 --> 00:05:01,899 later. 129 00:05:01,900 --> 00:05:04,539 So instead of using these microphones, 130 00:05:04,540 --> 00:05:06,649 we decided to install 131 00:05:06,650 --> 00:05:09,399 box like audio box hidden microphones 132 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,779 inside your house. 133 00:05:10,780 --> 00:05:13,179 And we had like an exhibition space 134 00:05:13,180 --> 00:05:16,179 in the couple will tell which was 135 00:05:16,180 --> 00:05:18,309 which would get the life out you 136 00:05:18,310 --> 00:05:19,599 fit out of the opera. 137 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,849 And there we had a telephone 138 00:05:21,850 --> 00:05:24,159 server running connecting like 139 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,930 local households in the. 140 00:05:27,670 --> 00:05:28,809 Just like calling them. 141 00:05:28,810 --> 00:05:30,219 So basically, there was like a random 142 00:05:30,220 --> 00:05:32,559 generator scanning through the telephone 143 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,959 book of Zurich and just like randomly 144 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,149 picking one number and 145 00:05:37,150 --> 00:05:39,219 saying, Hey, here's here's the 146 00:05:39,220 --> 00:05:40,209 life opera. 147 00:05:40,210 --> 00:05:41,289 You want to hear it. 148 00:05:41,290 --> 00:05:42,699 Just stay connected, beep. 149 00:05:42,700 --> 00:05:43,700 And here it is. 150 00:05:51,900 --> 00:05:53,969 This is the auditorium of 151 00:05:53,970 --> 00:05:56,159 the Opera House, and we 152 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,409 quickly found out it's not a good place 153 00:05:58,410 --> 00:05:59,939 to place the box. 154 00:05:59,940 --> 00:06:02,519 You need to place them behind the stage 155 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,709 so they stay there a lot longer. 156 00:06:07,380 --> 00:06:08,380 So. 157 00:06:09,780 --> 00:06:11,549 So this is a screenshot from a newspaper 158 00:06:11,550 --> 00:06:12,810 on Swiss television 159 00:06:13,890 --> 00:06:15,189 in the picture, you see the director of 160 00:06:15,190 --> 00:06:17,279 the Zurich Opera House showing one of 161 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:19,619 those box. They found a 162 00:06:19,620 --> 00:06:21,239 life on telly. 163 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,319 So they were expecting the box to be like 164 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,379 James Bond like devices, and 165 00:06:25,380 --> 00:06:27,089 they were really, really surprised that 166 00:06:27,090 --> 00:06:29,459 we just used like normal mobile 167 00:06:29,460 --> 00:06:31,379 phones we could call in and they would 168 00:06:31,380 --> 00:06:33,779 pick up automatically and give us like 169 00:06:33,780 --> 00:06:36,689 something like light can hold your feet. 170 00:06:36,690 --> 00:06:38,969 So they were not really happy about 171 00:06:38,970 --> 00:06:41,279 those thing, about the thing about 172 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:42,359 this project going on. 173 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,429 So we received a really 174 00:06:44,430 --> 00:06:46,559 harsh letter saying 175 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,409 we should immediately remove all the bugs 176 00:06:49,410 --> 00:06:51,509 to give us two days, or they would 177 00:06:51,510 --> 00:06:53,819 call the military service to 178 00:06:53,820 --> 00:06:56,009 debug or I don't know what the word is, 179 00:06:56,010 --> 00:06:58,319 but to debug the Opera House, and 180 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,419 we would have to pay the fee. 181 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:02,999 So the last letter also said 182 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,289 they would sue us for copyright 183 00:07:04,290 --> 00:07:06,419 infringement, while at the same time 184 00:07:06,420 --> 00:07:08,579 the opera singers 185 00:07:08,580 --> 00:07:10,649 union wanted 186 00:07:10,650 --> 00:07:12,989 to sue us for transmission fees. 187 00:07:12,990 --> 00:07:14,249 Normally you have to pay something if you 188 00:07:14,250 --> 00:07:16,409 broadcast and for 189 00:07:16,410 --> 00:07:18,539 libel because of the 190 00:07:18,540 --> 00:07:21,359 bad audio quality, so people could think, 191 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,219 Hey, within like this telephone 192 00:07:23,220 --> 00:07:25,259 transmission, we sound so badly. 193 00:07:25,260 --> 00:07:27,869 Nobody the people will think 194 00:07:27,870 --> 00:07:28,949 we can't see. 195 00:07:28,950 --> 00:07:31,019 So this was like this 196 00:07:31,020 --> 00:07:32,020 were the affect. 197 00:07:34,030 --> 00:07:36,159 This is the fog, what it looked 198 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,229 like when it was 199 00:07:38,230 --> 00:07:40,389 not being unwrapped by the 200 00:07:40,390 --> 00:07:42,069 director of the 201 00:07:42,070 --> 00:07:45,069 and cheaply made like gaffer tape 202 00:07:45,070 --> 00:07:46,959 and the external microphone for a little 203 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,729 bit better audio quality. 204 00:07:48,730 --> 00:07:50,899 And it was taped so. 205 00:07:50,900 --> 00:07:52,539 So just like if we call it the mobile 206 00:07:52,540 --> 00:07:54,699 phone, the display wouldn't 207 00:07:54,700 --> 00:07:56,529 let up. So it's really like Martin, we 208 00:07:56,530 --> 00:07:57,970 could produce it really fast. 209 00:07:59,050 --> 00:08:00,050 Mm hmm. 210 00:08:00,430 --> 00:08:02,529 This was the telephone machine at the 211 00:08:02,530 --> 00:08:05,229 exhibition space in the water. 212 00:08:05,230 --> 00:08:06,879 This was the only place where you could 213 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,219 listen to the work without 214 00:08:09,220 --> 00:08:11,319 having to receive the call at home so 215 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,749 you could come here and listen in 216 00:08:13,750 --> 00:08:15,909 on the opera while the 217 00:08:15,910 --> 00:08:17,889 at the service was running. 218 00:08:17,890 --> 00:08:18,890 So, 219 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:21,500 yeah, we produced 220 00:08:23,470 --> 00:08:24,609 like a small film. 221 00:08:24,610 --> 00:08:26,679 It's basically one call 222 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,540 showing a family receiving 223 00:08:30,100 --> 00:08:32,589 this operatic strange opera telephone. 224 00:08:32,590 --> 00:08:33,820 It's Sunday afternoon 225 00:08:35,289 --> 00:08:37,808 in March 25th, and 226 00:08:37,809 --> 00:08:39,849 yeah, we'll just listen in for a few 227 00:08:39,850 --> 00:08:42,009 minutes to so you get a little bit of 228 00:08:42,010 --> 00:08:43,269 context what it was about. 229 00:08:46,700 --> 00:08:48,090 Just sort of playing, yes. 230 00:08:49,150 --> 00:08:51,610 So it's a black screen with subtitles. 231 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:54,369 Can we have a more sound level? 232 00:08:59,490 --> 00:09:00,490 No, alibi, we don't. 233 00:09:04,570 --> 00:09:06,639 Yeah, hello, pretty hard, 234 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,429 is this album on the open terrified 235 00:09:09,430 --> 00:09:11,619 is that's pretty little 236 00:09:11,620 --> 00:09:14,169 hopeful. I mean, the TV. 237 00:09:14,170 --> 00:09:15,879 I wanted to see it in. 238 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,279 Then you can see that life 239 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,829 is open house something 240 00:09:20,830 --> 00:09:23,019 he can bitcoin for me, Tim Fontenot of 241 00:09:23,020 --> 00:09:25,139 the Hoisington for staying open. 242 00:09:25,140 --> 00:09:27,249 The rosenkavalier that we set 243 00:09:27,250 --> 00:09:29,440 out to bring new stuff 244 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,000 to 245 00:09:34,150 --> 00:09:35,150 the 246 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:37,959 shops. 247 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,719 So I thought, 248 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,419 but all of us sold us 249 00:09:47,330 --> 00:09:48,820 too close to 250 00:09:50,020 --> 00:09:51,020 call them 251 00:09:52,890 --> 00:09:55,779 to the same tiles. 252 00:09:55,780 --> 00:09:57,969 It's the same golfer, so I'm just going 253 00:09:57,970 --> 00:09:59,720 to just buy the OPA. 254 00:10:00,730 --> 00:10:01,730 They 255 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,929 should not listen to it. 256 00:10:07,930 --> 00:10:09,729 So you don't seem tired of what they're 257 00:10:09,730 --> 00:10:10,730 saying 258 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:13,500 to 259 00:10:15,010 --> 00:10:16,010 me. 260 00:10:21,730 --> 00:10:22,730 So, 261 00:10:24,410 --> 00:10:27,639 you know, it's so, you know, 262 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,959 I was like, Yes, 263 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,389 I am commerce. 264 00:10:31,390 --> 00:10:32,390 The guy 265 00:10:33,550 --> 00:10:36,029 I sold the acoustic 266 00:10:36,030 --> 00:10:38,709 spinoff to a little Cottage Grove. 267 00:10:38,710 --> 00:10:39,919 I love that. 268 00:10:42,070 --> 00:10:45,729 Let's bring this up 269 00:10:45,730 --> 00:10:46,730 to us to the 270 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,859 meter. Is it 271 00:10:56,860 --> 00:10:59,169 most likely until next year? 272 00:10:59,170 --> 00:11:01,299 He's also going to be 273 00:11:01,300 --> 00:11:01,969 in the house 274 00:11:01,970 --> 00:11:04,629 after the first student after 275 00:11:04,630 --> 00:11:06,909 that open House of Foodstuffs up to 15 276 00:11:06,910 --> 00:11:08,049 years with new direction. 277 00:11:08,050 --> 00:11:09,789 But this is really about him going to 278 00:11:09,790 --> 00:11:10,809 number one. 279 00:11:10,810 --> 00:11:12,819 We just had his uncle, Andrew Kraft, 280 00:11:12,820 --> 00:11:15,099 wanted the company over his life, 281 00:11:15,100 --> 00:11:17,139 so to speak. He gives us someone just to 282 00:11:17,140 --> 00:11:19,659 open it, and then it can benefit 283 00:11:19,660 --> 00:11:22,119 from the system. 284 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,120 It's great. 285 00:11:34,250 --> 00:11:36,329 Key to 286 00:11:36,330 --> 00:11:37,450 the case, because it 287 00:11:40,270 --> 00:11:42,080 doesn't seem 288 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,419 like any kind of maneuver that 289 00:11:48,420 --> 00:11:51,149 24.0 know £270 290 00:11:51,150 --> 00:11:52,979 is not these days are numbered because 291 00:11:52,980 --> 00:11:53,980 you think in 292 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,819 a way 293 00:11:59,820 --> 00:12:00,719 that it 294 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,459 goes for another four minutes. 295 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:03,460 It's a beautiful piece. 296 00:12:12,190 --> 00:12:14,199 And I like to try to find out which our 297 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,429 price playing. 298 00:12:15,430 --> 00:12:17,349 So a kid will join in and they will 299 00:12:17,350 --> 00:12:19,749 explain what the oil price is and 300 00:12:19,750 --> 00:12:20,919 blah blah blah. And so they're really 301 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,359 excited, so it goes for about eight 302 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:23,979 minutes. It's on our website if you want 303 00:12:23,980 --> 00:12:24,980 to check it. 304 00:12:30,170 --> 00:12:32,839 Well, and as the woman, 305 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,579 as you saw before, and the woman already 306 00:12:34,580 --> 00:12:36,709 explained so that the media picked 307 00:12:36,710 --> 00:12:38,989 up heavily on the on the project 308 00:12:38,990 --> 00:12:39,990 locally it 309 00:12:41,180 --> 00:12:43,849 there was a big discussion about who owns 310 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:46,309 a publicly funded culture, 311 00:12:46,310 --> 00:12:47,509 who has access. 312 00:12:47,510 --> 00:12:48,510 And 313 00:12:49,580 --> 00:12:50,720 yeah. And 314 00:12:52,610 --> 00:12:54,649 it went back and forth for a while. 315 00:12:54,650 --> 00:12:56,929 Also the legal battle between 316 00:12:56,930 --> 00:12:59,089 the Opera House and us 317 00:12:59,090 --> 00:13:00,319 and the people there. 318 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,659 And because the media also 319 00:13:02,660 --> 00:13:05,239 sort of made it into this David 320 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,549 against Goliath story with 321 00:13:07,550 --> 00:13:09,979 the small, poor artists 322 00:13:09,980 --> 00:13:12,049 against this big subsidize 323 00:13:12,050 --> 00:13:14,269 the Opera House. 324 00:13:14,270 --> 00:13:16,639 They sort of accepted 325 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,249 the the work then as an enhancement 326 00:13:19,250 --> 00:13:21,559 of their performance repertoire. 327 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:23,659 So it ran for 328 00:13:23,660 --> 00:13:25,099 three months. 329 00:13:25,100 --> 00:13:27,739 We re transmitted every 330 00:13:27,740 --> 00:13:30,169 performance, every night 331 00:13:30,170 --> 00:13:31,819 from the Opera House. 332 00:13:31,820 --> 00:13:34,069 And so we re transmitted 333 00:13:34,070 --> 00:13:36,229 about 100 hours of 334 00:13:36,230 --> 00:13:38,989 opera to around 335 00:13:38,990 --> 00:13:41,269 four and a half thousand households 336 00:13:41,270 --> 00:13:42,409 in Zurich. 337 00:13:42,410 --> 00:13:43,410 Wow. 338 00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:44,990 Oh, good. 339 00:13:48,540 --> 00:13:49,540 Well, 340 00:13:50,850 --> 00:13:52,769 the second work we would like to talk 341 00:13:52,770 --> 00:13:56,069 about is very recent work. 342 00:13:56,070 --> 00:13:58,439 It's called delivery for Mr. Assange. 343 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,899 We produced it in January 344 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:03,149 this year, so about 11 months 345 00:14:03,150 --> 00:14:05,489 ago and the starting 346 00:14:05,490 --> 00:14:07,889 point for this work was our interest 347 00:14:07,890 --> 00:14:09,959 in the circumstances under which 348 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,389 Julian Assange has been living at the 349 00:14:12,390 --> 00:14:14,549 Ecuadorian Embassy in London 350 00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:15,929 since seeking asylum 351 00:14:17,190 --> 00:14:19,320 in June 2012. 352 00:14:20,490 --> 00:14:22,199 The embassy was surrounded by British 353 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,629 police in August 2012, 354 00:14:26,610 --> 00:14:29,159 around the time the embassy announced 355 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,619 that they granted they would grant 356 00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:32,909 Julian Assange asylum. 357 00:14:34,860 --> 00:14:37,019 And for us, this 358 00:14:37,020 --> 00:14:39,359 this very strange 359 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,539 setting in the heart of London 360 00:14:41,540 --> 00:14:43,739 in in the very touristic area 361 00:14:43,740 --> 00:14:45,959 of western London 362 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,099 sort of became 363 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,509 the sign of a global diplomatic crisis 364 00:14:51,510 --> 00:14:53,999 going on between the powers that be 365 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,509 and internet aficionados, 366 00:14:57,510 --> 00:15:00,419 whatever transparency people 367 00:15:00,420 --> 00:15:02,849 and with them, Julian Assange. 368 00:15:05,270 --> 00:15:07,489 So normally you don't see this 369 00:15:07,490 --> 00:15:09,829 kind of conflict at something which 370 00:15:09,830 --> 00:15:11,899 shows itself in the media or on 371 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:12,859 the internet. 372 00:15:12,860 --> 00:15:14,989 But in long run, it manifests 373 00:15:14,990 --> 00:15:18,169 itself in this terrific career 374 00:15:18,170 --> 00:15:20,389 west of London. So you pass 375 00:15:20,390 --> 00:15:22,879 all those people when you get 376 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:23,839 nearby. 377 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,819 So they're are just like many tourists 378 00:15:25,820 --> 00:15:27,889 and stuff, and suddenly you 379 00:15:27,890 --> 00:15:29,689 are in front of this police barrier and 380 00:15:29,690 --> 00:15:31,699 they have like strange police cars and 381 00:15:31,700 --> 00:15:34,069 vans with strange antennas, won't 382 00:15:34,070 --> 00:15:35,989 you? You, I don't know. 383 00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:38,599 You kind of really feel the conflict 384 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:39,679 physically. 385 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,929 So it's 386 00:15:41,930 --> 00:15:43,159 I would say it's a war zone. 387 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:44,719 So you enter there and you feel it, OK, 388 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:45,979 it's a war zone. 389 00:15:45,980 --> 00:15:48,019 So we ask ourselves, how can we intervene 390 00:15:48,020 --> 00:15:50,089 into this geopolitical situation 391 00:15:50,090 --> 00:15:52,219 where both sides are not really moving 392 00:15:52,220 --> 00:15:54,119 any more? Source it since months, they 393 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,759 are start places outside us, which is 394 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:56,760 inside. 395 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,299 So we ask ourselves which communication 396 00:15:59,300 --> 00:16:01,579 channels into the 397 00:16:01,580 --> 00:16:03,889 Ecuadorian embassy are still open 398 00:16:03,890 --> 00:16:06,079 physically. Also, I mean, we knew 399 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,359 we can't just go there and walking 400 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:09,769 by ourselves. 401 00:16:09,770 --> 00:16:12,349 So we started to analyze the situation. 402 00:16:12,350 --> 00:16:14,599 And one question was what 403 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,699 happens if we introduce a bit 404 00:16:16,700 --> 00:16:19,219 of normality into this 405 00:16:19,220 --> 00:16:21,469 exceptional circumstances? 406 00:16:21,470 --> 00:16:23,659 So we realized that the postal system 407 00:16:23,660 --> 00:16:26,029 could be an interesting tool 408 00:16:26,030 --> 00:16:28,969 to test the situation. 409 00:16:28,970 --> 00:16:31,219 Sending a parcel is an everyday 410 00:16:31,220 --> 00:16:32,599 act, basically. 411 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,519 So but what happens if you send a parcel 412 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:35,520 to Julian Assange? 413 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,739 So we basically 414 00:16:39,740 --> 00:16:42,259 built a parcel and 415 00:16:42,260 --> 00:16:44,779 we want a better feedback than just 416 00:16:44,780 --> 00:16:47,299 going to the post office and posting it. 417 00:16:47,300 --> 00:16:49,639 So we made the whole 418 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,319 thing to the parcel into the side of the 419 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:52,399 parcel. 420 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,559 Behind the whole is a camera, which 421 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,839 takes a picture every 15 seconds, 422 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,119 10 to 15 seconds and uploads 423 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,279 the image to observer. 424 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,349 So we really had to 425 00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:05,929 parcel with a live tracking 426 00:17:05,930 --> 00:17:08,479 image system, and 427 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,669 we addressed it to Julian 428 00:17:10,670 --> 00:17:13,309 Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy 429 00:17:13,310 --> 00:17:15,409 in London, and 430 00:17:15,410 --> 00:17:17,539 we basically just wanted to see 431 00:17:17,540 --> 00:17:20,059 whether the parcel would reach him. 432 00:17:20,060 --> 00:17:22,189 Would it be open or would it be 433 00:17:22,190 --> 00:17:24,889 removed from this postal system? 434 00:17:24,890 --> 00:17:27,229 In a sense, it was like 435 00:17:27,230 --> 00:17:29,599 maybe a real world ping or 436 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,329 a trace route or 437 00:17:32,330 --> 00:17:33,229 a system test. 438 00:17:33,230 --> 00:17:35,509 We called it inserted into a highly 439 00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:38,329 tense diplomatic crisis. 440 00:17:38,330 --> 00:17:39,579 So. 441 00:17:39,580 --> 00:17:41,689 So we also published this picture 442 00:17:41,690 --> 00:17:44,089 showing the what it looks like 443 00:17:44,090 --> 00:17:46,369 when it's scanned by an X-ray 444 00:17:46,370 --> 00:17:47,359 machine. 445 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:49,529 So and we published it also 446 00:17:49,530 --> 00:17:50,929 on the same website where the live feed 447 00:17:50,930 --> 00:17:53,209 was. So we have like this strange 448 00:17:53,210 --> 00:17:55,609 device here, something here and 449 00:17:55,610 --> 00:17:57,289 a battery blob on this side. 450 00:18:00,590 --> 00:18:02,929 The outcome of the experiment was totally 451 00:18:02,930 --> 00:18:05,029 open equally for us, as for 452 00:18:05,030 --> 00:18:06,349 anyone watching online. 453 00:18:07,370 --> 00:18:09,889 This is something we really like about 454 00:18:09,890 --> 00:18:12,319 art that it has this. 455 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,899 It holds this opportunity 456 00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:17,839 for an intentional loss of control. 457 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,999 You create an intervention and 458 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,799 you just wait for some feedback. 459 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,169 In this case, it was waiting for 460 00:18:24,170 --> 00:18:25,309 images here. 461 00:18:26,990 --> 00:18:29,149 So this was the website where the 462 00:18:29,150 --> 00:18:30,109 images arrived. 463 00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:32,509 So every 15 seconds, 10 to 15 464 00:18:32,510 --> 00:18:33,979 seconds would reload. 465 00:18:33,980 --> 00:18:36,019 You would have a reload here. 466 00:18:36,020 --> 00:18:38,089 And yeah, maybe we have to 467 00:18:38,090 --> 00:18:40,519 say there was also like chips inside. 468 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,689 So we had like the cheapest position for 469 00:18:42,690 --> 00:18:43,579 life. 470 00:18:43,580 --> 00:18:45,440 And like this, this 471 00:18:46,670 --> 00:18:47,670 image stream. 472 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,129 We tried to contextualize a bit 473 00:18:52,130 --> 00:18:54,109 what was going on with these images so 474 00:18:54,110 --> 00:18:56,269 you could watch the live feed on 475 00:18:56,270 --> 00:18:59,119 comments or you could 476 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:00,289 have on the website. 477 00:19:00,290 --> 00:19:02,209 You could see a stream of images we 478 00:19:02,210 --> 00:19:04,399 posted with comments trying to figure 479 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,729 out what was happening to the parcel. 480 00:19:06,730 --> 00:19:08,809 And we also posted these 481 00:19:08,810 --> 00:19:09,859 images on Twitter. 482 00:19:12,210 --> 00:19:15,199 The first image shows Douma 483 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,269 queuing up so you can see him in 484 00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:19,519 the mirror bit there 485 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,679 at a post office in East London. 486 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,929 So we only tested the 487 00:19:23,930 --> 00:19:25,879 British the Royal Mail System. 488 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,160 Not no borders there. 489 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,280 So, yeah, queuing up, 490 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:33,289 he's 491 00:19:33,290 --> 00:19:35,359 next approaching the 492 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:36,360 counter. 493 00:19:37,820 --> 00:19:39,679 The puzzle was accepted. 494 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,809 This was like the the first fear 495 00:19:41,810 --> 00:19:43,909 we had that the person 496 00:19:43,910 --> 00:19:45,979 at the Post Office would say, Oh, sorry, 497 00:19:45,980 --> 00:19:46,969 this has a hole. 498 00:19:46,970 --> 00:19:49,189 I'm not going to accept this, 499 00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:50,809 but maybe they will take the whole or 500 00:19:50,810 --> 00:19:51,920 something like, OK. 501 00:19:54,380 --> 00:19:56,959 So and it made it's like behind 502 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,299 this glass thing and disappeared 503 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:00,300 in this bag. 504 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,989 It was just like was accepted. 505 00:20:05,780 --> 00:20:07,849 So we received these red images 506 00:20:07,850 --> 00:20:09,469 for quite a long time. 507 00:20:09,470 --> 00:20:10,819 You would sit there and just like, you 508 00:20:10,820 --> 00:20:12,709 know, it was a really slow stream, it's 509 00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:14,869 like you felt like nineteen ninety five, 510 00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:16,969 maybe, you know, every 15 seconds, 511 00:20:16,970 --> 00:20:18,559 one picture. 512 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,719 And sometimes they were broken, so 513 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,039 they not good. 514 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,329 So, really, really slow. 515 00:20:24,890 --> 00:20:26,989 And the person just sat there for a while 516 00:20:26,990 --> 00:20:28,309 at this post office. 517 00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:30,679 We assume in this back 518 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,109 and then it went dark. 519 00:20:34,670 --> 00:20:36,799 Of course, we already got 520 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,329 very nervous. 521 00:20:38,330 --> 00:20:40,219 Has somebody taped the camera? 522 00:20:40,220 --> 00:20:41,119 Did they find it out? 523 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:43,129 We didn't know. I mean, like, still 524 00:20:43,130 --> 00:20:44,130 black. 525 00:20:45,630 --> 00:20:47,399 One hour later, still black, like 526 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,920 receiving one every 15 seconds. 527 00:20:51,630 --> 00:20:53,819 But now the puzzle was moving or 528 00:20:53,820 --> 00:20:54,820 being moved, 529 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,499 which we thought through the G.P.S. 530 00:20:58,500 --> 00:20:59,609 locations. 531 00:20:59,610 --> 00:21:01,529 And it's really like, OK, after three 532 00:21:01,530 --> 00:21:03,779 hours of black images like, OK, wow, 533 00:21:03,780 --> 00:21:05,879 these images of this image appeared 534 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,229 seem to we just had no light. 535 00:21:07,230 --> 00:21:08,159 Everything was fine. 536 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,739 We are alive. 537 00:21:09,740 --> 00:21:10,740 I mean, like, let's go on. 538 00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:15,419 And we saw through the 539 00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:17,579 DPS locations that we had arrived 540 00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:20,009 at something called Mount Pleasant 541 00:21:20,010 --> 00:21:21,839 Male Center in central London. 542 00:21:25,030 --> 00:21:27,159 And suddenly, this view, like 543 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,359 what? 544 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:29,829 You know, for the first time, we left 545 00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:32,079 like this box and we had like this wire 546 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,179 iStock view of something and you 547 00:21:34,180 --> 00:21:35,349 wouldn't see normally. 548 00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:38,079 So you post something, it disappears 549 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,819 and then it comes out again somewhere 550 00:21:39,820 --> 00:21:40,820 else. 551 00:21:41,740 --> 00:21:44,319 We also called this unmanned photography. 552 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,509 It's a bit like, I mean, 553 00:21:46,510 --> 00:21:48,160 you always get very strange 554 00:21:50,050 --> 00:21:51,050 images. 555 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:52,960 Try these 556 00:21:54,190 --> 00:21:55,190 things. 557 00:22:00,790 --> 00:22:03,069 It's nine o'clock people pushing 558 00:22:03,070 --> 00:22:04,630 trolleys, workers. 559 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,149 It's still dark, and then we 560 00:22:11,150 --> 00:22:12,499 will disappear in the green bank, 561 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:16,320 red, green 562 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,229 and people online started participating 563 00:22:21,230 --> 00:22:23,419 also in this trying to find out 564 00:22:23,420 --> 00:22:25,999 what was happening to the puzzle. 565 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,249 They helped us interpret still 566 00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:30,739 locations images. 567 00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:33,049 Then, after four hours into 568 00:22:33,050 --> 00:22:35,389 the performance, all servers 569 00:22:35,390 --> 00:22:37,759 went offline from the many 570 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,519 requests and 571 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,319 people started setting up mirrors, 572 00:22:43,580 --> 00:22:46,159 studs, writing scripts 573 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,469 to get all the images from our server 574 00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:50,989 because they were probably afraid that 575 00:22:50,990 --> 00:22:53,269 they would go away will get 576 00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:54,270 lost. 577 00:22:56,150 --> 00:22:58,279 So it's, uh, I don't know, it's 578 00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,280 round 11, 579 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,869 almost 12 hours. 580 00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:05,389 When we when we look. 581 00:23:05,390 --> 00:23:07,489 Since posting, we realized, OK, we are 582 00:23:07,490 --> 00:23:08,749 on the way out of town. 583 00:23:08,750 --> 00:23:10,029 It was really strange because I'm an 584 00:23:10,030 --> 00:23:12,379 Islamist here shooting at someone sitting 585 00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:14,539 here. The puzzle just passes and goes, 586 00:23:14,540 --> 00:23:16,789 here, I'm like, What the fuck I'm like? 587 00:23:16,790 --> 00:23:18,769 Where is it heading to? 588 00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:20,959 So it wasn't 589 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,359 really sure it was moving fast. 590 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:26,359 Black, black, black for hours. 591 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:28,689 Uh, 11:00 p.m. 592 00:23:28,690 --> 00:23:29,690 Is not moving anymore. 593 00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:36,779 And here we arrived near 594 00:23:36,780 --> 00:23:38,670 Heathrow Airport at 595 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,729 the Royal Jubilee Mail Center. 596 00:23:41,730 --> 00:23:43,859 That's 22 kilometers west of 597 00:23:43,860 --> 00:23:44,860 the city. 598 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,480 So then again, 599 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,619 you have people working 600 00:23:50,940 --> 00:23:53,159 trolleys at 2:00 601 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,379 in the morning trolleys, dominant color, 602 00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:57,449 yellow food, silent 603 00:23:57,450 --> 00:23:58,450 observer 604 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,749 solely on the move again. 605 00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:02,729 And then black again. 606 00:24:02,730 --> 00:24:04,979 Well, black so 607 00:24:04,980 --> 00:24:07,829 black since one hour 50 to the morning. 608 00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:09,540 Five almost five o'clock in the morning. 609 00:24:12,790 --> 00:24:15,459 They're moving back into the city at 610 00:24:15,460 --> 00:24:16,479 5:30. 611 00:24:18,130 --> 00:24:20,139 I think we're at South London, something 612 00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:21,519 that we'll see in a moment. 613 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,520 Yes. 614 00:24:23,980 --> 00:24:26,079 And the puzzle was always take 615 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,149 it out of the bag, which was really nice 616 00:24:28,150 --> 00:24:29,150 for our work. 617 00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:39,959 So, yeah, at around 9:00, 618 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,509 we were moving towards central London, 619 00:24:42,510 --> 00:24:44,699 we were kind of not sure but optimistic 620 00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:47,099 that maybe a post of postman 621 00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:49,169 will take it and bring 622 00:24:49,170 --> 00:24:50,170 it to us and. 623 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,180 So another post center at 10:00. 624 00:25:00,450 --> 00:25:02,399 And then we started to move around, like 625 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,419 really near. 626 00:25:03,420 --> 00:25:04,500 So I'll just like. 627 00:25:09,130 --> 00:25:10,809 We started to move around really, really 628 00:25:10,810 --> 00:25:12,810 near the Ecuadorian embassy. 629 00:25:16,030 --> 00:25:18,129 And we moved very slowly, 630 00:25:18,130 --> 00:25:20,259 so we thought maybe we are on the 631 00:25:20,260 --> 00:25:22,419 delivery route now, maybe it's 632 00:25:22,420 --> 00:25:25,149 the stop and go movement of a van 633 00:25:25,150 --> 00:25:27,219 always stopping to take 634 00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:28,899 out stuff. 635 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:31,209 We could see other mail, but we wouldn't. 636 00:25:31,210 --> 00:25:32,210 We could never see 637 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,529 the van itself, so we weren't really 638 00:25:35,530 --> 00:25:36,159 sure. 639 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,349 So around this time, a BBC I'll take 640 00:25:38,350 --> 00:25:40,419 a tackle went up and 641 00:25:40,420 --> 00:25:42,129 also went down again. 642 00:25:42,130 --> 00:25:44,469 So it was like immediately 643 00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:45,849 reaction on it. 644 00:25:45,850 --> 00:25:46,850 And 645 00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:50,379 yeah, 12 o'clock still like like 646 00:25:50,380 --> 00:25:53,499 really moving nearer the embassy, 647 00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:54,500 getting nearer 648 00:25:55,780 --> 00:25:56,780 and. 649 00:25:57,910 --> 00:26:00,199 Somewhere in around twelve, thirty eight, 650 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,479 so we're waiting since two hours 651 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,890 basically to be delivered to. 652 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,799 People online were writing, Hey, beatnik, 653 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,969 when will this possibly be delivered, 654 00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:16,059 because I really need to get some work 655 00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:17,060 done 656 00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:19,809 more hurry up and make. 657 00:26:19,810 --> 00:26:21,759 No one is working in my office. 658 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,649 Parcel already ruined my morning 659 00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:26,859 and slow, and I've been watching 660 00:26:26,860 --> 00:26:28,159 this for 24 hours. 661 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,160 I'm exhausted. 662 00:26:30,490 --> 00:26:32,959 So then we were all so exhausted. 663 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,659 I'm going to sleep for night the night 664 00:26:34,660 --> 00:26:37,209 before to get this thing done. 665 00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:38,210 So then 666 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,109 we started seeing houses, so we 667 00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:43,210 were quite sure we were in a van 668 00:26:44,410 --> 00:26:45,929 and 669 00:26:45,930 --> 00:26:48,009 then he the hand 670 00:26:48,010 --> 00:26:49,010 and the when. 671 00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:53,829 Now it's nearly 672 00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:55,889 empty, so I'm like, it's about us, 673 00:26:55,890 --> 00:26:56,890 no, no. 674 00:27:01,230 --> 00:27:03,359 Then the post comes and we were like, 675 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:05,429 Oh my God, we're being taken back to 676 00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:06,809 that delivery center. 677 00:27:06,810 --> 00:27:08,429 Then at around two o'clock, we received 678 00:27:08,430 --> 00:27:10,469 strange images and I'm like, location 679 00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:12,479 would now say we are in front of the 680 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,339 Ecuadorian embassy, so it's just about to 681 00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:16,559 pass to to pass this 682 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,529 police border. But yeah, 683 00:27:19,530 --> 00:27:22,289 and we didn't really know 684 00:27:22,290 --> 00:27:24,809 what, yeah, what was going on here. 685 00:27:24,810 --> 00:27:26,579 This is something like a full delivery 686 00:27:26,580 --> 00:27:28,769 folder or delivery lists some 687 00:27:28,770 --> 00:27:30,029 things from inside. 688 00:27:30,030 --> 00:27:31,030 Maybe. 689 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,059 But yes, 690 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:35,969 we think we are in front of the embassy 691 00:27:35,970 --> 00:27:38,159 now. Images still black waiting 692 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,160 for delivery. 693 00:27:41,220 --> 00:27:42,659 Still, nothing happening. 694 00:27:42,660 --> 00:27:43,950 Diplomatic crisis? 695 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,979 Or is the postman just like you? 696 00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:48,089 Took a lunch break? 697 00:27:48,090 --> 00:27:50,549 Come on for hours and then 698 00:27:50,550 --> 00:27:52,109 at two o'clock? 699 00:27:52,110 --> 00:27:53,579 You don't see it really well. 700 00:27:53,580 --> 00:27:55,649 So it's really about small changes in 701 00:27:55,650 --> 00:27:57,869 the image. But here we could 702 00:27:57,870 --> 00:27:59,999 see something like a floor 703 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,079 and the floor is 704 00:28:02,460 --> 00:28:02,729 like a 705 00:28:02,730 --> 00:28:04,019 wooden, like a wooden floor that was 706 00:28:04,020 --> 00:28:06,179 clear. We went, We are somewhere 707 00:28:06,180 --> 00:28:07,829 inside and we're not outside anymore. 708 00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:08,830 We are somewhere inside. 709 00:28:13,950 --> 00:28:16,169 And we still we 710 00:28:16,170 --> 00:28:18,029 assumed we have been delivered to the 711 00:28:18,030 --> 00:28:20,579 embassy, and 712 00:28:20,580 --> 00:28:22,889 now we've got confirmation at 713 00:28:22,890 --> 00:28:24,239 2:50. 714 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,589 So WikiLeaks is writing on 715 00:28:26,610 --> 00:28:28,739 Twitter. Mitnick packages arrived as now 716 00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:30,269 with embassy security and we're like, 717 00:28:30,270 --> 00:28:33,239 Yeah, we made it inside the embassy. 718 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,759 Royal Mail has delivered the parcel. 719 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,099 WikiLeaks confirms parcel 720 00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:39,539 is still in total darkness. 721 00:28:39,540 --> 00:28:40,769 We are waiting. 722 00:28:40,770 --> 00:28:41,939 You know, I don't know. 723 00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:44,609 Still nothing for 90 minutes 724 00:28:44,610 --> 00:28:46,799 to parcel transmitted over 9000 images, 725 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,019 most of them black. 726 00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:51,989 Somebody immediately wrote that 727 00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:53,609 this is not true. 728 00:28:53,610 --> 00:28:55,949 Ten thousand images and only 34 729 00:28:55,950 --> 00:28:57,279 percent are black. 730 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,109 We're like, OK, I mean, 731 00:28:58,110 --> 00:29:00,239 do you do you do the analysis 732 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,240 for us? 733 00:29:02,250 --> 00:29:04,349 So it went on 734 00:29:04,350 --> 00:29:06,479 for some 735 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,159 hours again, and then we would see at 736 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,349 4:30. We'll see like strange images 737 00:29:10,350 --> 00:29:12,089 like this. We weren't sure. 738 00:29:12,090 --> 00:29:14,159 I mean, are we on the sofa placed on 739 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,269 a sofa bed? 740 00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:17,389 Three time would get critical when 741 00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:18,839 we had like 30 hours. 742 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,939 Twenty six hours passed, so 743 00:29:20,940 --> 00:29:23,129 it's about four or five hours left. 744 00:29:23,130 --> 00:29:24,599 Maybe less. We don't know. 745 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,140 And then at 6:00, this pick. 746 00:29:31,460 --> 00:29:33,029 And everybody was like, Wow. 747 00:29:33,030 --> 00:29:35,329 And it looks 748 00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:36,859 really official, you know? 749 00:29:36,860 --> 00:29:39,079 So we got this tweet from a journalist 750 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,299 from South America saying she knows 751 00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:42,739 this is inside the embassy. 752 00:29:42,740 --> 00:29:43,739 She was there. 753 00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:45,319 And this is the waiting room. 754 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,729 And yeah. 755 00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:56,189 But it went up again, like how far 756 00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:57,659 come on? So somebody switched off, 757 00:29:57,660 --> 00:29:59,159 switched on the lights and switched off 758 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,259 again, the camera took two or three 759 00:30:01,260 --> 00:30:03,329 pictures and this still 760 00:30:03,330 --> 00:30:06,209 back. The suspense is mounting 761 00:30:06,210 --> 00:30:07,919 some movement. So we had like these 762 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,629 strange colors, just like some minutes 763 00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:10,959 later. 764 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,049 Like what the fuck is happening now? 765 00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:17,219 Red color stripes. 766 00:30:17,220 --> 00:30:19,039 Something fluffy? 767 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,909 Mm hmm. 768 00:30:20,910 --> 00:30:21,960 What is it to? 769 00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:29,329 And we thought it was a dog, but it was a 770 00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:31,429 cat. Yeah, well, Twitter was 771 00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:32,599 going, It's a cat. 772 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,039 You're like, the next. 773 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,659 Is it the dog barking? 774 00:30:35,660 --> 00:30:36,679 It's a living. 775 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,819 It's a cat. 776 00:30:37,820 --> 00:30:40,069 Like, we just didn't see the messages 777 00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:41,759 because we were heavy uploading the stuff 778 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,759 like many of you to Twitter because our 779 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,559 website was kind of not accessible 780 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,579 anymore. 781 00:30:46,580 --> 00:30:47,939 So or it might be a cat. 782 00:30:50,060 --> 00:30:51,679 So the question has Julian Assange taken 783 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,849 over? Is he playing with us? 784 00:30:54,150 --> 00:30:56,210 So then we received this message. 785 00:30:57,410 --> 00:30:59,539 It's this finger on the wall like, 786 00:30:59,540 --> 00:31:01,180 Hello, Julian. Yes, we are here. 787 00:31:03,710 --> 00:31:05,450 Back to Black Tiger. 788 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,799 Well, hello, world. 789 00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:12,090 So you know the term. 790 00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:22,759 Large print pages 791 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,919 like handwritten messages. 792 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,920 It was a tour 793 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,479 around Ecuador, I would say, welcome to 794 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:30,480 Ecuador 795 00:31:34,820 --> 00:31:35,479 and 796 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,389 welcome to Ecuador. 797 00:31:37,390 --> 00:31:38,390 I was. 798 00:31:39,820 --> 00:31:40,820 And 799 00:31:42,370 --> 00:31:43,370 then he went to. 800 00:31:44,690 --> 00:31:45,690 Justice is. 801 00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:49,009 I am flood free, 802 00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:50,010 Bradley Manning. 803 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,070 Bring other little 804 00:31:54,450 --> 00:31:56,639 human rights activists from Bahrain 805 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,710 who is in prison free on a Qatar, 806 00:31:59,820 --> 00:32:01,319 one of the founders of The Pirate Bay, 807 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,659 who was imprisoned free Jeremy Hammond's 808 00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:05,429 free Rudolf Elmer, which is a Swiss 809 00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:07,589 whistleblower, free 810 00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:09,659 unknowns, justice for Aaron 811 00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:11,790 Swartz, justice for Elseworlds, 812 00:32:13,050 --> 00:32:14,969 Trans-Pacific transparency for the state, 813 00:32:14,970 --> 00:32:17,099 privacy for the rest of us, postal art 814 00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:17,999 is contagious. 815 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,349 Thank you, Ecuador. 816 00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:21,869 Thank you to all our supporters. 817 00:32:21,870 --> 00:32:23,609 Keep fighting. 818 00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:25,769 2013 we win. 819 00:32:25,770 --> 00:32:26,770 Find out if. 820 00:32:37,650 --> 00:32:38,650 And back to back. 821 00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:46,210 Thank you. Thank you. 822 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,149 All right. Thank you very much for that. 823 00:32:52,150 --> 00:32:54,549 Sadly, we've already run of time, so 824 00:32:54,550 --> 00:32:56,829 there will be no Q&A right now.