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um welcome everybody here um we are here
for one discussion actually there is one
little thing that is hanging around and
that's a topic that we discovered at
Freedom not fear and who's we we are a
very variety uh a collective of people
who really were attracted by the
powerful speech from um the the the
professor I call him Mr fovi the up data
protection supervisor all right uh so
from the European data protection
supervisor the people who are taking
care about the European
institutes are there more people and
actually next to me here is uh with rean
he's the project manager one of the
pilot projects that we saw there and
that has to do with the with the
fediverse now the thing there was we as
collective we saw this powerful speech
and this call for Action um to make sure
actually that we address ourselves to
the people in power to put more effort
and energy in uh more fediverse
integration in the public
administration so that's mainly our
topic so why or who killed the internet
doesn't really matter to us we all know
since the speeches we had from for
instance at this conference
Rob I'm talking about 25 26 27 C3 that
we all know whoa we lost something and
we want to gain it
back and mainly the topic there is how
to get it back it's that we are
collective and what is this value is the
Fede activity P giv us the possibilities
to run our communication
ourselves and now uh I'm looking here at
someone from our team VY as well yeah
she has a list of questions actually
that we can address through Mr Robert
Gan and um he's going to explain us
about what this pilot actually is what
the status is what the import could be
and we would love to have your attention
and actually your participation in a
matter that we would learn from you how
to take action how to make this all
possible because we all share that
belief where do we start
fishne I think we should start with the
question to um Robert reman was the head
of or is the head still of the pilot
project EU voice new data that
integrated um ferse instances namely
Macedon and uh P tube into um EU
institutions and we would like to know
first um how did it how this did this
project emerge and um how did it go and
what can we learn from it so so thank
you very much for having me um maybe I
start quickly with the introduction what
the edps um the European data uh data
protection supervisor actually is um um
the rules um on data protection require
that um the entire public service is
basically covered U by some data
protection authority in Germany there
even severals are doing that for the
different uh levels of uh the public
administration and when all member
states take care of their National Data
protection uh of their national public
service and the EU institutions are
still left over and this is why there
had to be uh UPN data protections ADV
visor who's solely responsible for the
supervision of the EU institutions
themselves that means the European
Parliament the European Council but also
other organizations like frontex or
europol on top the European data
protection supervisor is also
responsible for um advising the
co-legislators the European Council and
the European Parliament whenever they uh
want to enact a new legislation that
concerns uh personal data and then there
is also a role of monitoring of new
technology in order to inform the Civil
Society the legislators on on on new de
developments with respect to technology
that can impact uh uh our personal data
and um when I arrived at the European
data protection Supervisor office as a
technologist in 2017 we started working
on um website audits that means the
pages that the institutions um create
themselves uh to to to be transparent to
um to the Civil Society to other
organizations on their work but already
back then uh of course social media was
a very important element but it is so
different that we excluded that element
from those AUD back then and then um
there was always a question yeah what do
we do with the uh social media uh
platforms that are so different from
ordinary websites when it comes to the
um publication of information there's so
much much more interactive they're very
popular and um they also create a lot of
concerns when it comes to the processing
of personal data and in order to not
always U blame without having a solution
ready which is what often happens when
data protection authorities are
criticizing processing there was this
idea at the European data protection
supervisor to um use a mandate to
Monitor and verify whether or not the
fetty words could offer a solution that
is more data protection friendly and uh
can Bridge uh basically or fill the gap
of the websites that are not very
interactive while still uh putting the
institutions in full control and um
therefore with a team of three people we
decided to set up um on a upin server um
P tube and and
Mastodon and uh it was obvious already
that uh if we already do such an effort
it would be sad if only we would have
one single account of the DPS itself and
this is why we uh went through all the
procedures to obtain uh neutral domains
that end on europa.eu which is the
official uh domain of all the EU
institutions so that also other
organizations in the um within the
institutions could uh participate in
this pilot phase and also request an
account to do their tests mhm and um
before going live and I think this was
in May
2021 if I'm not wrong um we already
tried to secure some support so that we
would have a an opening to the public
with already sever accounts and we were
very uh happy to to see that the court
of justice uh decided to participate in
this pilot project from the outset with
an account uh with English content and
another account with French content um
also the the European commission um with
Digi digit but also with their main
account have been uh very early on
participating in this uh in this endea
and there were a few more accounts
um the EU commission has a quite uh big
following on masteron as well it's like
almost 92,000 uh followers I think so
the Europe commission I guess is one of
the EU institutions who have the highest
visibility there's a lot of interest
what the Europe commission is doing and
in terms of Staff uh they're also the
largest so we are not very surprised uh
to see that they have the most followers
but there were moments where I think the
first few days where the European data
protection had more
followers uh on EU voice than the Europe
commission and we all celebrated that
moment of course unfortunately that
lasted only for for several days and
then the Europe commission indeed uh had
a obtained a large followership on on EU
voice so
um how did you how did you actually um
make it work that this is a cross
institutional
project so there are there's some
cooperation amongst the institutions
when it comes to uh
branding I mean it's also a matter of U
bundling resources and not Reinventing
the real several times there are
projects that are done together across
you institutions for a long time already
I remember um I think every year October
November there's a cyber security week
in which all EU institutions have
Publications on that topic uh and so
there is um yeah there's a working party
in which most of the institutions and
agencies are represented where they
discuss um common common questions
including um the use of social media and
including the use of uh common property
like the Europa domain and we went into
this uh working party in order to uh
propose this project
for which we wanted to use um two
subdomains to the .u subdomain uh to The
.u Domain one for the use of uo which is
The Branding that we use for for the
masteron server of the U institutions
and the other one um EU video um so it's
tube. um network. europa.eu um that
would host then our ptube server my idea
with the proposition of using the tube
subdomain was actually uh that we could
call it
Ebe YouTube very similar to another very
large video platform uh unfortunately uh
nobody else thought this would be a very
good idea and uh this is why eventually
the name so far is EU video um
mhm yeah and as part of this um was a
project proposal from the Europe data
protection supervisor to do this and
pilot so we we had some discussions of
what would be the domain so obviously uh
social. europa.eu would have been a nice
fit um uh but then there were other
organizations uh that said there is also
social policy and these people were much
more acquinted with social policy than
with um uh the fatty wor and so uh back
then it was decided to rather reserve
the domain for the time being social
Europa EU for for other content so far
and we will see how this will um go on
in the future because uh the proposal
was clear that this is just a pilot
phase in order to obtain whether it is
possible to use c fedy words for uh a
communication platform between the
institutions and the
citizens um that pilot phase is
basically concluded and there are many
people who are convinced that this was a
rather successful pilot and um the next
steps would be to plan for the
production phase and and and what what
is the next step then what is happening
because it's it's finishing now the
pilot uh phase so we are in a very uh
awkward situation that everyone agrees
that this was a useful pilot phase and
this is some technology that we want to
use in the
future uh and now we at the stage where
we need to determine who will operate uh
this platform um in production and if
nobody is found then the pilot phase is
closing without having uh continuation
MH and and the Europe data protection
supervisor holds the opinion that we
supervising the others in the operation
of it it would put us in a conflict of
interest if now the supervisor would
emerge as the it provider for the
institutions of course for the
institutions this would be very
pragmatic so whenever we propose
something it will certainly be data
protection friendly and not cause any
compliance isses for them but this is
why also the team that is currently
responsible for uo is very clear that it
cannot be um a permanent solution uh to
offer as the data protection supervisor
IT services to other organizations and
so so the continuation is not just
financially something really heavily but
more
responsibility um the thing that would
interest me about that is that um we see
this a lot that data protection um uh
public authorities are spearheading
fediverse instances and for me the
question question would be um if these
organizations become kind of temporar um
infrastructure providers how would that
change the their structure and their
mandate because at the moment you you're
there to do data protection and not to
provide exactly I mean there's no way
around I mean public institutions cannot
overstep the Mandate um that's uh that's
something very important and uh would
also uh put especially data protection
authorities who are in the end of the
day auditing compliance of other
organizations um in a difficult
situation so um for for piloting there
is um it is easy to um to understand
that there can be a mandate for such an
exercise but once um uh that the pilot
phase is over it is also clear that uh
the data protection authorities can at
best um operate the it uh infrastructure
for the very own needs um like every
organization is taking care of for their
own needs um but there was always the
idea that already uh all the EU
institutions decided jointly to use the
Twitter platform and they're
United with many institutions using the
same Twitter platform and it would be
awkward if we would not have that Unity
when it comes to the fedy
wor um so this is why uh for for the
European data protection supervisor it
was always a goal to have a common
representation in the the uh in the
fediverse and also one has to understand
that not every EU institution is large
and has a lot of staff to take care of
this so especially for the smaller
organizations and here I want to include
the up data protection supervisor it
would be nice to rely on other
organizations providing fetware services
to us so uh this is why um one hope is
how do you see this which kind of
organizations um you're mentioning I
mean I mean there are for for some um
processing operations there are
particular EU agencies Who Don't Do
Anything Else uh when it comes to the
communication there's already the
European Union Publications office who
is also publishing the official laws um
one could argue now that the fedy wor Is
Not So Different um from what
Publications offices were responsible
for uh and now the Publications offices
not only on EU level but possibly also
on member state level would need to
evolve and understand that um we have
now other publication needs that go
further than putting PDFs on a on a fdp
server but that we want to have a
fetware
service uh in the end the Publications
office uh is very closely connected to
the European
commission and um therefore the European
data protectionis has been in the past
um negotiating And discussing mostly
with the European commission whether as
a largest EU institutions they could
take over the responsibility for such a
join um fetware server open to all other
institutions um but we don't know yet
what there's no outcome yet so uh we do
not have the the answer for the
commission we hope that there will be
one early next
year um I think I would like to open
this uh maybe a bit broader question to
the audience here in the room as well um
so if you think of fediverse integration
or any kind of you want to communicate
or see communic Public Communication who
do you think should be responsible who
do you think um should take this kind of
over as in maybe as a digital common uh
uh project how is it do you have other
projects in your country that are
similar that you think are good or what
would your ideas around that be so if
you think of questions we're very happy
to just take them along while we talk so
we have one
hand yes so for the question uh who
should Host this content isn't there
like already um a responsible body which
like hosts all of the websites and PDF
files and other infrastructure that's
like connected to the internet maybe
that would be a good entry point to also
be responsible for hosting the
FW um
software I mean for for official
Publications it is the Publications
office which is an entity um on which
many organizations can rely on
um that means the parliament has an
important Publications this will also be
taken care of by the Publications office
that could be a natural step but at the
moment um the thinking in the
Publications offic is rather there's the
official journey and we Host this and
maybe we have the annual uh activity
report once a year that we also publish
but so far no uh publication office is
uh looking into interactive content or
something like microblogging even when
it comes to video platforms there is no
clear solution so what we see is that
all the larger organizations who can
afford it run their own video platforms
and the smaller ones
are either putting video on directly on
the website which has less features and
is maybe uh more difficult for them or
they just use YouTube um that also
happens uh in the public sector quite
often
still and uh it is so far difficult to
convince a publication offices um that
they could change their mandate and also
have more short-term content or um
multimedia content as well in their
mandate
um yeah
um to try and provide a sort of answer
to the who should Host this uh a lot of
countries all over the world had a had a
moment in which it was inevitable to
ignore something like broadcast
television and have had to build
National infrastructure and work with
standards associations across the globe
to be able to do things like the
Olympics or yeah any sort of large-
scale event that requires massive
International coordination or Eurovision
Etc um I think it is beholden to us as
Citizens or as experts to make it clear
that another inevitable moment regarding
online infrastructure
is happening and that there should be a
similar effort put into creating
National infrastructure systems because
it is of public importance that that
would be my proposal so to say which is
to to put pressure on governing bodies
to provide um yeah data labs and uh
technicians and collaborate
internationally to create Open
interoperable Standards that allow for
this hosting
yeah doesn't that jump us back in the
ages that uh we decided to have to come
up with Dooms and dode and the dot you
know was was that a good step to look at
on a national basis like there are
boundaries
geographically we're talking now about
Europe of course with boundaries or not
but when we work with the Olympics sorry
when we work with the Olympics or
Eurovision or any kind of international
broadcasting we are capable of
interoperability yeah uh that's what a
lot of the systems that we have for
Cinemas or broadcast are designed for so
it doesn't have to be constrained
okay I mean I think there's an agreement
that would be nice to have interoperable
Solutions and with interoperable Europe
act uh we see uh various digital acts
passed by the commission recently and
with gdpr uh we see often that there are
requirements on
interoperability uh but that still does
not give us an answer who in the end has
to uh put into place the software and
take the responsibility for the
operational business and uh what I can
tell you is that um all member states
want to assume a High um independence
from other member states in that regard
so I cannot imagine that the German
government would host their account on a
fetware server one by another national
uh government and so far I cannot even
imagine it um that they would accept to
have it on a European fetware server
uh by the way in Germany we have a very
similar situation where the fedy
movement was beheaded by the federal
data protection authority who is as far
as I know still taking care of the
operations of that service and now um
when it became more difficult uh seeing
the evolution of Twitter to have an
account over there I think many
Ministries are now very uh happy that
they have this offer to just quickly
create an account on the Federal
Public Service one by the data
protection authorities while uh still
the question is not clarified for them
either who will run the the national
German fedw server for in production
because also um they are data protection
authority who should not become an
infrastructure provider uh for for the
for the federal government in Germany
and uh I think here the to get back to
your question there is no uh disc
whether the protocol is not
interruptable enough it is just poorly
deci deciding who puts the budget in the
end and who takes care of the
responsibility to keep that service
online uh
24/7 and I think one of the the problems
that we have here is that people are
afraid of um taking this responsibility
because they have seen how complicated
this can be uh platforms such as Twitter
or Facebook or LinkedIn um so there were
rumors that some people in the
institutions were planning already to
have tens of uh staff members doing um
uh the the moderation of the content of
the official service but uh for my
perspective if there would be only um uh
official accounts on such an official
server who would then take care of the
moderation of the comments and I would
assume that this is now on uh the ch of
the servers where the users have the
accounts which is not the official
governmental server and because of these
um many new Concepts that the fedy words
introduces and because of the many
questions that we still do not have
clarified on the responsibilities when
it comes to the the conventional social
media platforms I think that people are
afraid of um taking over responsibility
and then being overwhelmed with that
responsibility
team I would like to uh make a brief
comment uh in that regard because I
think uh we are tackling a key um
question here that is
the the the actual let's say social
needs that we expect as Citizens but
also that institutions uh expects from
the larger citizens when it comes to
social media so when it's about
traditional social media um I believe
European institutions still are
expecting something uh from the the
citizens basically but when it comes to
the fediverse
um does um one specific user or account
uh inside the European institutions um
expect to have the same kind of audience
and to use that specific um platform in
the same way as other traditional social
media uh or
not I mean I I think this is now the
question to the citizens and not uh to
the government I can tell you that every
government is very happy when they have
many um website
visitors uh a large
audience um so when there is a
discussion taking place between
different ways of publishing uh I think
one of the criteria that receives the
most attention is how many uh readers do
we have at the end of the day and we
optimize for the largest reader base
uh I'm happy to hear more views on on
the question of what should citizens um
get from their governments will not be
able to speak for National governments
and neither for all the institutions um
but I I also believe that there are U
maybe too high expectations of the
citizens sometimes when I have the
impression that people get get easily
upset when the government is not
directly replying to an individual uh
tweet or to a message on Instagram where
I then think of how many people would
you need to employ as a government only
on social media channel um moderation to
take care of all those messages that
possibly citizens could submit there is
that also um need to be answered all
questions need to be answered that's
actually and what what people
underestimate is uh the the your the
chain of responsibility that means most
often if there is a interesting question
that has not yet been answered it's not
a mere uh uh I just uh put here the
question that means someone needs to
draft a reply or a line to take if this
is something that has never been decided
before and then it has to be proved
through several
layers and uh that all takes a lot of
time um time in which for instance data
protection authorities could not carry
out
audits um so that also something that
one has to consider um if a Citizens
expect reactions on social media it
means we need Public Funding to pay
those people who
draft uh uh those answers and um yeah so
at the moment all uh the public sector
is short on money I can tell you this is
at least true for the U
institutions and then we have to choose
our priorities uh I I remember that
there was another question at the back
please uh yes it's basically a comment
um I'm wondering um which which European
institution will most likely have the
most uh capacity and also interest to
interact with uh citizens and I'm I'm
personally wondering if it wouldn't be
maybe the European Parliament with uh
the older parliamentarians similar to
how we have in Germany this fra and uh
thing that you know people could
directly interact with their uh
representatives in the European
Parliament and if the European
Parliament is running a fediverse server
for all their uh parliaments um this
could be just the main server and all
the institutions could just piggy back
on that because I think the the
bureaucratic situ uh um the bureaucratic
um offices the various institutions
maybe they have not nearly as much
communication need with uh citizens than
the parliamentarians would have thank
you so interestingly uh the parliament
is one of the larger EU institutions who
has not participated in the fedy wor
project as an institution though there
very few members of the European
Parliament who had already before fedy
worse accounts or who have a fedy wore
account on EU
voice um I don't want to comment on
which institution has the most urgent
need to communicate uh to these citizens
um uh when it comes to the European
Parliament it is often this way that the
members have a lot of sovereignity uh to
decide how they want to organize
communication of the office themselves
and this is why it is difficult uh to uh
require members of a parliament to use
certain
channels and uh if you now assume
Parliament is with over 700 people you
can imagine that it is quite complicated
to agree on a common position or on a
common server or how the server should
be handled and um that's how I can
imagine um that the parliament has not
yet um decided whether they want to use
fed or not um generally I think what is
important to keep in mind is that there
is no there's no TV show exclusively for
the EU institutions there is not so much
uh prayers exclusively for what is
happening in EU institutions that means
for institutions often because they're
less intermediaries uh like the Press
who would help them to get the message
across they I feel
are feeling a higher need need to
communicate directly with the citizens
using the internet and they use all the
the platforms that bring us the readers
um not sure if that answers your
question I I hope uh I hope it does um
any other
questions what you want question okay
sure we had so far only questions from
uh people who I presume to be male uh so
some more diverse voices would be nice
so feel free nobody will bite you I
promise actually I'm I'm wondering um we
all know we have these elections coming
up in 6
months where are we
going where are we going to where are we
going indeed we started out the the
questions like who killed the internet
and I think a lot of people who are here
in the room with us now are wondering
who killed the internet now and what
what is the thing that we want to bring
it back that's the question that you
posed right and we see we see the
downfall of zitter at the moment but we
still see a lot of um uh public
institutions and political parties um
using it a lot um especially in terms of
advertisement and we just had the very
high-profile case of the microt
targeting as well um and then we do kind
of try to find refuge in decentralized
opport uh options and alternatives like
the fediverse and now we have threats
that's coming in on the side as well
trying to integrate um with the with the
feters MH and um I wanted to see how
people feel about about that and maybe
also as a responses like how do maybe
from a public administration point of
view is that seen and open it to the
audience and like in kind of what kind
of communication do we want from our
public administrations and services that
we have and is the
fediverse an answer or is it just an
addition to another social media circus
that we're
having I see Hans here yes uh so again I
want to encourage for after the question
more he has long hair sorry or okay I
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will okay I'll combine my previous
question with with the new question that
you asked
um my previous question would be you
said that there are still uh European
institutions uh posting on YouTube and
my question was is it even allowed for
them to to post on closed platforms and
to answer a bit of the question just
raised I would at least want my agent uh
institutions to post on the open
web so it's
question so um
the European data protection supervisor
is not um denying to institutions the
use of YouTube uh what we encourage is
that it should be possible for citizens
to access all the relevant uh
Publications including videos of EU
institutions without being subject to uh
terms of use of private
companies um why um there's this idea of
uh free consent and in the moment where
I'm
where I really want to see what this uh
director of an institution has to say
but before I get the question do I agree
uh with the terms it is unclear whether
that content is still can still be
considered free and this is why um we
would call out organizations who make
relevant videos only available on
YouTube but we already can report that
in the last years many institutions have
learned the lessons and much of the
content if not all of the content
including the videos is indeed now all
available on channels that do not
require to accept private terms of
use okay one question yes uh thank you
um if we are looking at what is
happening in France right now um even
legal parties don't quite understand
media Society internet social networks
and they appear to not understand like
anything about digital media is it the
good idea to let governments have any
say in Communications
whatsoever it's kind of an extreme
standpoint but just throwing it in
there so we get back to the question of
uh the Mandate of public institutions
yes so I think I mean I'm not a lawyer I
have to say I I studied physics and uh
computer science um I understood so far
from my colleagues that most of the
organizations can rely on um the
transparency obligations that they have
that means uh for to meet these
transparency
obligations it uh seems very plausible
that a website would be nice maybe a
newsletter um it can include videos and
then the details are not set out um
there are no to my understanding no case
law how transparent you have to be what
are the minimum
requirements and um I feel that still
there is a thinking that with more
attention um there is more relevance
possibly more budget once there is
another negotiation which is why all the
institutions and I'm generalizing here
on on purpose feel that with more um
attention of the public societ of the
public in general they um they will be
able to do more to get more staff and
fulfill better the
mandates and whether this is now um a
necessity or there can be an alter ative
to it um this is just not the job of the
data protection authorities to find an
answer I think this is much bigger and
um that's also what I wanted to um say
again towards uh those conventional uh
media platforms so far uh all the
governments are using YouTube I remember
that there was a scandal recently
because of a deep fake uh that was
portraying the German uh Chancellor in a
video and uh people in the government
were worried that this can be confusing
but why can it be confusing because
everyone finds it now normal
and
um has this uh expectation in mind that
it is plausible that the governments are
using YouTube for official
messages so I think this is something
that uh we all take for granted for me
uh personally speaking um this is not so
clear whether this was in the end um
that this is in the public interest that
the citizens can expect public messages
on all channels because it makes the uh
verification whether this is authentic
content indeed much more complicated and
uh this is to come back uh to the
initial uh pilot project uo also a
strength here when you go to um when you
see a tweet from an account that uh ends
on euru you can be sure that this is an
authentic account and I think this is
one for the strength that the fatty wor
can offer here that we can use the
principle that we have established
before when an email address ends on
Euro .u it is an official email address
when the email address ends on bn. De it
is a German public servant um and with
the with the use of shared uh it
infrastructure on the same domain for
everyone it is not so easy any longer
and we give this idea of uh who is
verified and who's not to to a private
organ organization uh we Outsource that
and uh with the fetty wor we have the
opportunity to bring that back I don't
want to deny that there are many
questions that are still open and we we
will figure out in the future whether
the fetty wor can be a good um
alternative for all use cases so when we
think of the
elections and that will create uh some
some voices that are borderline legal or
already Beyond and I wonder really and
I'm a bit worried as well of the local
admin teams with a little funding of the
various fedy servers will be able to
keep uh the network
clean um but this is then not only um
for the data protection authorities to
find here a sustainable solution I think
the technology has a lot of potential I
think it solves a lot of compliance
issues that public organizations face at
the moment and then there must be also
the spending into the new infrastructure
um possibly uh support Ed by the by the
public service and I can report that the
European commission has been in the past
funding fediverse projects there were
funding Mardon and I think also P very
happy about this and now we are
consuming the fruits of the of this
funding um but at the moment there is
not so much uh funding for the operation
of those services and this is a question
that still um needs to be answered if
ever we wanted to reach for much higher
user number
that will then I guess inevitably you
lead to use cases um that at the moment
um not so much a problem yeah but may I
may I ask because you're pointing at the
fact that probably regarding the
elections lots of things are going wrong
so actually we we we all know probably
we all know um and what is then a
solution because there we have elections
you know it's your question as well you
know we have a government you believe in
democracy in these governments or or not
so I think what I would like to know as
well to bring it maybe um away from only
this um edps pilot project but the
question of um of moderation is a thing
that is um omnipresent within um Macedon
instances fediverse instances in general
and the question how to do moderation on
scale is a thing and I think as well uh
one of the obstacles that a lot of
people see that they have to do this and
um I would like to know um what maybe
the panelists are thinking about
moderation um issues of the fediverse in
general what the current um debates and
discussions are and what are interesting
points um and the other maybe the other
thing as well as um is moderation uh
possible on that on that scale in
general we
have I don't think that I'm in a
position to answer whether moderation is
possible in the FED wor but but you you
did you did run an instance did you had
moderation issues so I can tell you that
um there is a gentleman agreement that
all the public budes who use EO have to
take care that all the public they post
all the post that they do are legal so
far the edps did not required to ban
postings of the commission or the court
of justice because you were contesting
the reality of the
content uh but of course that there are
comments um under the postings and
especially in the first 3
days um there
were there was content uh depictured in
the in the comment section that was
clearly beyond the line of what is
acceptable and uh that created a lot of
uh um
yeah worries uh but fortunately after
then um after a few individuals
basically had been had been blocked with
the tools that the V wor already
provides for for ages um this was not a
problem any longer and there's also a
debate whether it requires actually um
to see the the comments when you go to
the fedy fedy page at europa.eu if
people want to see comments they can do
this on their private so the way that
the fetty wor is constructed it means
that even if the institutions would not
allow for comments on their official
Pages people could still have discussion
of the content on the other fetty wor
servers and I think this is also again a
strength because it allows for National
um yeah Solutions where in one country
uh in one server there's a debate on a
topic that can uh is allowed to take a
different direction than maybe another
um in another country so especially in
Germany we have things that cannot be
said in in the network uh but maybe this
is totally possible in another member
state with another history with another
conventions and another culture and with
a fetty words that would all be possible
um so I'm I'm full of hope that with the
technology and uh with the spending um
we can we can make this a success but
what I think is really important is also
that the citizens make clear their
expectations so until the members of the
parliament don't receive questions
whether why they still have to watch
videos on YouTube and I'm not speaking
about members of a particular Parliament
here I think people will not prioritize
these problems and there are so many
other problems especially when it comes
to data protection that uh we tend uh to
focus also on those problems
that receive a lot of complaints where
there is medor attention where there are
scandals already so I can only recommend
to everyone of you if you feel that um
you do not want to to use that Channel
with your public body with your member
of the parliament please send them a
message and let them
know um also let data protection
authorities know when you think um that
consent is not free any longer and that
you have to give away more data that you
feel is necessary in order to um uh
profit from the transparency that public
organizations uh shall offer so actually
where we're ending is a call for Action
regarding ing our new parliamentary
people there is one one one person who
wants to ask a last last question
question I think we don't have uh time
for questions at the moment so okay so
what the call here is actually to take
action regarding the elections in six
months and um I think we should continue
that kind of discussion uh about ideas
around campaigning towards um making
these parliamentary people aware about
the needs
here is that the
solution I think one of the things that
everybody who wants to have um public
access to uh uh official communication
should start and ask their uh uh
representatives to not use big platforms
and to maybe think about integrating
Alternatives and everybody can of course
write to the uh uh um Representatives
but the other thing is also that we need
to stand together as this group of
people that we are here at Congress
there's a lot of people who do fediverse
um uh stuff there's a lot of people who
do fediverse integration so let's stand
in solidarity with each other and build
a
funing okay thanks thank you for uh
explaining us the whole situation and
the future hopefully yeah thank you for
inviting me and uh please uh follow us
in the Fed
uh follow the Europe commission um they
will appreciate it follow the
edps and um yeah let's see how how this
project evolves next year we will know
more thank you thank you to everybody
here thank
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