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If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/1409 Thanks! 1 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,529 All right, everyone, welcome to the 2 00:00:22,530 --> 00:00:24,869 top public money public code 3 00:00:24,870 --> 00:00:27,119 held by Bonnie and 4 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,369 Mathias, and they 5 00:00:29,370 --> 00:00:31,559 work for the FSA, and I guess 6 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:32,560 you can start now. 7 00:00:33,270 --> 00:00:34,270 Thank you very much. 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,229 So, yes, my name is not just. 9 00:00:39,230 --> 00:00:40,729 I work for Free Software Foundation 10 00:00:40,730 --> 00:00:42,709 Europe and does this spawn emerging will 11 00:00:42,710 --> 00:00:45,109 also be part of the talk 12 00:00:45,110 --> 00:00:47,659 and we are here to present 13 00:00:47,660 --> 00:00:49,429 you what we have already done in the 14 00:00:49,430 --> 00:00:51,139 Public Money Public Code campaign. 15 00:00:51,140 --> 00:00:53,359 What tools are available with the goal 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,669 to enable you to use them yourself 17 00:00:55,670 --> 00:00:56,840 and get active for yourself? 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,529 So in school, 19 00:01:00,530 --> 00:01:02,629 we learned that 20 00:01:02,630 --> 00:01:04,818 in Denmark, in a democracy, 21 00:01:04,819 --> 00:01:06,859 we elect people for different 22 00:01:06,860 --> 00:01:09,229 institutions and then they 23 00:01:09,230 --> 00:01:11,299 they have to power over this area. 24 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,449 While in a world where more and more 25 00:01:14,450 --> 00:01:16,879 things are decided with technology 26 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,189 and with software, the situation 27 00:01:19,190 --> 00:01:20,299 might look more like this. 28 00:01:23,860 --> 00:01:25,989 And so the goal 29 00:01:25,990 --> 00:01:28,749 of the offensive is that in governments, 30 00:01:28,750 --> 00:01:31,209 in public administrations 31 00:01:31,210 --> 00:01:33,369 that the administrations 32 00:01:33,370 --> 00:01:35,499 can use the software and control 33 00:01:35,500 --> 00:01:37,629 that software in their area. 34 00:01:37,630 --> 00:01:40,179 So free software always 35 00:01:40,180 --> 00:01:42,819 gives them certain freedoms 36 00:01:42,820 --> 00:01:44,649 that a government and public 37 00:01:44,650 --> 00:01:46,989 administration can use that software 38 00:01:46,990 --> 00:01:49,089 for any purpose so that no 39 00:01:49,090 --> 00:01:51,669 third party can decide what 40 00:01:51,670 --> 00:01:52,989 the government or the public 41 00:01:52,990 --> 00:01:54,879 administration can do with the software 42 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:55,899 and what not. 43 00:01:55,900 --> 00:01:58,239 They can always use it for any purpose, 44 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,069 for any purpose without getting 45 00:02:00,070 --> 00:02:01,070 permission first. 46 00:02:01,930 --> 00:02:03,999 They are also allowed to study 47 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,249 the software, so to get the source code 48 00:02:06,250 --> 00:02:08,439 and see what it actually does, software 49 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,109 is really doing to understand 50 00:02:11,110 --> 00:02:13,299 what implications certain things have to 51 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:15,279 see if this is right or wrong, what the 52 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,499 software is doing and check if the 53 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:19,359 software is in compliance with the laws 54 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,879 and regulations they introduced. 55 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,949 Furthermore, software free 56 00:02:23,950 --> 00:02:26,409 software always gives the governments 57 00:02:26,410 --> 00:02:28,479 the freedom to share 58 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,609 the software without us, be 59 00:02:30,610 --> 00:02:33,579 it the citizens, be it the 60 00:02:33,580 --> 00:02:35,889 other public administrations, 61 00:02:35,890 --> 00:02:36,890 companies, 62 00:02:37,990 --> 00:02:39,219 wherever. 63 00:02:39,220 --> 00:02:41,589 And furthermore, that 64 00:02:41,590 --> 00:02:44,049 the public administration is always 65 00:02:44,050 --> 00:02:46,209 able to improve the software or 66 00:02:46,210 --> 00:02:48,459 adapt the software to their own needs. 67 00:02:48,460 --> 00:02:49,929 So governments should never be in a 68 00:02:49,930 --> 00:02:51,999 situation where they 69 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,219 cannot do a change in law, 70 00:02:54,220 --> 00:02:56,259 in a regulation because a software 71 00:02:56,260 --> 00:02:58,449 company or a developer doesn't allow 72 00:02:58,450 --> 00:02:59,709 them to do this. 73 00:02:59,710 --> 00:03:01,779 So you are always allowed to do it. 74 00:03:01,780 --> 00:03:03,849 You can make modifications 75 00:03:03,850 --> 00:03:05,949 so that you adopt a software to your 76 00:03:05,950 --> 00:03:07,839 needs, and you don't have to change your 77 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,329 behavior of the public administration 78 00:03:10,330 --> 00:03:12,519 to what someone else, a developer 79 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:13,779 of the software decided. 80 00:03:14,830 --> 00:03:17,539 So that's that's the background here. 81 00:03:17,540 --> 00:03:19,749 As I said, what we want to present here 82 00:03:19,750 --> 00:03:21,969 is what tools are available, 83 00:03:21,970 --> 00:03:24,399 what parts of the of the campaign 84 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,779 we already have. 85 00:03:25,780 --> 00:03:27,849 And our goal is that you 86 00:03:27,850 --> 00:03:30,309 can then afterwards also use those tools, 87 00:03:30,310 --> 00:03:32,499 be creative and 88 00:03:32,500 --> 00:03:34,749 hack your public administration that 89 00:03:34,750 --> 00:03:36,159 day afterwards. 90 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,349 Also, make sure that software, 91 00:03:38,350 --> 00:03:40,509 which is published software, which 92 00:03:40,510 --> 00:03:42,699 is financed with public money, will 93 00:03:42,700 --> 00:03:44,259 afterwards be published under a free 94 00:03:44,260 --> 00:03:46,359 software license, which allows 95 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,459 the public administration, but also 96 00:03:48,460 --> 00:03:50,919 each one of you and all the other public 97 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,229 public administrations to use 98 00:03:53,230 --> 00:03:55,209 the software for any purpose to study the 99 00:03:55,210 --> 00:03:57,309 source code to share the software with 100 00:03:57,310 --> 00:03:59,289 others and to improve it. 101 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,589 So, yes, let's start 102 00:04:02,590 --> 00:04:03,590 with that. 103 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,249 As I said, the the 104 00:04:06,250 --> 00:04:08,379 goals we already had 105 00:04:08,380 --> 00:04:11,139 for a very long time that besides 106 00:04:11,140 --> 00:04:13,269 citizens companies, governments should 107 00:04:13,270 --> 00:04:15,459 also receive those four freedoms 108 00:04:15,460 --> 00:04:17,199 of free software to use, study, share and 109 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,249 improve it. 110 00:04:18,250 --> 00:04:20,439 And we lobbied for that for a long 111 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,359 time, talked with politicians, people in 112 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,249 public administrations. 113 00:04:24,250 --> 00:04:26,679 But in 2017, we thought, 114 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,959 what can we do to give 115 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,389 this goal a push? 116 00:04:31,390 --> 00:04:34,419 Can we come up with a campaign to 117 00:04:34,420 --> 00:04:36,249 to speed it up? 118 00:04:36,250 --> 00:04:38,439 And so what we decided was that 119 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,479 we have a campaign workshop about that. 120 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,120 We invited lots of volunteers 121 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,569 from all over Europe and spend 122 00:04:46,570 --> 00:04:48,519 one weekend together. 123 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,829 That's our head there, 124 00:04:50,830 --> 00:04:52,959 where we noted down several ideas 125 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,009 for the slogan. 126 00:04:54,010 --> 00:04:56,049 We thought about what components we need 127 00:04:56,050 --> 00:04:57,399 for such a campaign. 128 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,109 What tools we need. 129 00:04:59,110 --> 00:05:01,509 And yeah, I'm one of the outcomes. 130 00:05:01,510 --> 00:05:03,639 Boston the the slogan here, 131 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,259 which you see there, besides some of us 132 00:05:05,260 --> 00:05:07,829 where I feel a little bit embarrassed 133 00:05:07,830 --> 00:05:10,089 of what we came up with. 134 00:05:10,090 --> 00:05:12,219 But yeah, so that that was at the time 135 00:05:12,220 --> 00:05:14,439 when we then came up with what we wanted 136 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,539 to do, what components we wanted to to 137 00:05:16,540 --> 00:05:18,759 have, and under which slogan the 138 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,169 public money public code slogan. 139 00:05:20,170 --> 00:05:21,170 We want to do this 140 00:05:22,630 --> 00:05:24,129 from now on. 141 00:05:24,130 --> 00:05:26,469 Some of us started to develop 142 00:05:26,470 --> 00:05:27,519 a website. 143 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,889 So we wanted to make sure that when 144 00:05:29,890 --> 00:05:31,839 there are people who don't have any clue 145 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:33,879 about free software yet, political 146 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,439 decision makers, people in public 147 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,779 administrations, but also the public, 148 00:05:37,780 --> 00:05:39,549 the general public, when they want to 149 00:05:39,550 --> 00:05:42,399 learn about this, that they have an easy 150 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,019 entrance point for it. 151 00:05:44,020 --> 00:05:47,019 So we created this website 152 00:05:47,020 --> 00:05:49,209 and our volunteers 153 00:05:49,210 --> 00:05:50,769 started to translate it in many 154 00:05:50,770 --> 00:05:53,169 languages. So, meanwhile, have 19 155 00:05:53,170 --> 00:05:54,309 languages available there. 156 00:05:54,310 --> 00:05:56,649 You see them on the button 157 00:05:56,650 --> 00:05:58,779 there. And if any one 158 00:05:58,780 --> 00:06:01,059 of you is speaking a language which is 159 00:06:01,060 --> 00:06:03,399 not yet listed there, we 160 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,139 want you after the talk. 161 00:06:05,140 --> 00:06:07,359 Please help us so that we can make 20 162 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:08,529 or 21 out of that. 163 00:06:09,820 --> 00:06:11,979 So yes, that was the first part so that 164 00:06:11,980 --> 00:06:13,749 when you talk with people about that, you 165 00:06:13,750 --> 00:06:14,889 can point them to a website. 166 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,329 The next step was that we 167 00:06:19,330 --> 00:06:21,669 started drafting an open letter, which 168 00:06:21,670 --> 00:06:22,909 we. 169 00:06:22,910 --> 00:06:25,549 Which we want to send to politicians 170 00:06:25,550 --> 00:06:27,439 on all different levels. 171 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,389 So we started talking with other 172 00:06:29,390 --> 00:06:31,429 organizations, develop the draft there, 173 00:06:31,430 --> 00:06:33,559 get some feedback, made some small 174 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,679 readjustment to the letter. 175 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,059 The CCC was one of the first signing 176 00:06:38,060 --> 00:06:39,099 it. 177 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:41,239 Are RCO, whom you might also 178 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,579 notice when you walk a volunteer, 179 00:06:43,580 --> 00:06:45,649 and several of them were then the 180 00:06:45,650 --> 00:06:47,869 first initial people who signed 181 00:06:47,870 --> 00:06:48,979 it. 182 00:06:48,980 --> 00:06:51,139 And the idea there is that 183 00:06:51,140 --> 00:06:53,599 for different elections, for 184 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,579 whenever there is a good opportunity to 185 00:06:55,580 --> 00:06:57,409 contact public administrations or 186 00:06:57,410 --> 00:06:59,539 politicians that we can point to the open 187 00:06:59,540 --> 00:07:01,279 letter, we can show them how many people 188 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:03,209 and how many organizations are supporting 189 00:07:03,210 --> 00:07:05,599 this. And one of the easiest 190 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,669 things for you to do if you want 191 00:07:07,670 --> 00:07:09,799 to support this campaign is 192 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,629 to sign the open letter yourself and 193 00:07:11,630 --> 00:07:12,949 encourage others to do so. 194 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,799 We are also especially interested in 195 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:16,940 other organizations. 196 00:07:18,170 --> 00:07:20,629 Of course, it's very nice if these 197 00:07:20,630 --> 00:07:22,759 signing process works as smooth as in 198 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,649 this case with Debien, which has received 199 00:07:24,650 --> 00:07:26,929 much requests and say 200 00:07:26,930 --> 00:07:29,179 yes. But we are also very much 201 00:07:29,180 --> 00:07:31,579 interested in non-technical 202 00:07:31,580 --> 00:07:33,709 organizations signing this open letter. 203 00:07:33,710 --> 00:07:35,899 So not so much out of the 204 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:38,839 usual suspects, but organizations 205 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,759 a civil society which also want to 206 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,109 support this or or 207 00:07:43,110 --> 00:07:45,769 other public administration stem cells. 208 00:07:45,770 --> 00:07:47,899 So if you can help us there to get 209 00:07:47,900 --> 00:07:50,089 more people signing this demand, that's 210 00:07:50,090 --> 00:07:51,090 very helpful for us. 211 00:07:52,850 --> 00:07:55,249 Furthermore, we then 212 00:07:55,250 --> 00:07:57,619 we also said that we need a short video 213 00:07:57,620 --> 00:07:58,999 for people who don't want to read 214 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,649 websites who don't want to read open 215 00:08:00,650 --> 00:08:02,299 letters. Something very short, very 216 00:08:02,300 --> 00:08:03,319 simple. 217 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,449 And that's the video. 218 00:08:05,450 --> 00:08:07,089 I also want to briefly show you 219 00:08:08,870 --> 00:08:09,870 the funnel. 220 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,519 For a moment, our government would treat 221 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,199 our public infrastructure like our 222 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,329 streets and public buildings the 223 00:08:19,330 --> 00:08:21,219 same way it treats our digital 224 00:08:21,220 --> 00:08:22,599 infrastructure. 225 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,399 Our members of Parliament would work in a 226 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,559 rented space where they weren't allowed 227 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,179 to vote in favor of stricter 228 00:08:28,180 --> 00:08:30,349 environmental laws because the owner, 229 00:08:30,350 --> 00:08:32,619 a multinational corporation, didn't 230 00:08:32,620 --> 00:08:34,418 allow that kind of voting and its 231 00:08:34,419 --> 00:08:35,859 buildings. 232 00:08:35,860 --> 00:08:38,168 Nor will it allow a long overdue upgrade 233 00:08:38,169 --> 00:08:40,209 to more than 500 seats. 234 00:08:40,210 --> 00:08:41,859 This means some members of parliament 235 00:08:41,860 --> 00:08:43,779 have to stay outside in the street 236 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,079 and a couple of blocks away, a 237 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,179 brand new gym is already being 238 00:08:49,180 --> 00:08:51,339 torn down just six months after 239 00:08:51,340 --> 00:08:52,479 it was built. 240 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,449 It's being replaced with an exact replica 241 00:08:55,450 --> 00:08:57,639 at great expense and the only 242 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,099 difference the new manufacturer also 243 00:09:00,100 --> 00:09:02,259 provides straightforward as an added 244 00:09:02,260 --> 00:09:03,489 feature. 245 00:09:03,490 --> 00:09:05,619 Meanwhile, every night, through a 246 00:09:05,620 --> 00:09:07,569 hidden backdoor in the city hall, 247 00:09:07,570 --> 00:09:09,429 documents that contain sensitive 248 00:09:09,430 --> 00:09:11,769 information on citizens from bank data 249 00:09:11,770 --> 00:09:15,039 to health care records are being stolen, 250 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,349 but no one is allowed to do anything 251 00:09:17,350 --> 00:09:19,509 about it because searching for 252 00:09:19,510 --> 00:09:21,759 back doors and locking them 253 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,819 would infringe the signed user agreement. 254 00:09:24,820 --> 00:09:27,489 And as absurd as this sounds 255 00:09:27,490 --> 00:09:29,019 when it comes to our digital 256 00:09:29,020 --> 00:09:31,389 infrastructure, things like the software 257 00:09:31,390 --> 00:09:33,039 and programs that our governments are 258 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,629 using every day. 259 00:09:34,630 --> 00:09:37,749 This comparison is pretty accurate 260 00:09:37,750 --> 00:09:40,359 because mostly our administrations 261 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,879 procure proprietary software. 262 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,099 This means a lot of money goes 263 00:09:45,100 --> 00:09:47,289 into licenses that last for 264 00:09:47,290 --> 00:09:49,809 a limited amount of time and restrict 265 00:09:49,810 --> 00:09:51,399 our rights. 266 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:52,929 We aren't allowed to use our 267 00:09:52,930 --> 00:09:56,169 infrastructure in a reasonable way. 268 00:09:56,170 --> 00:09:58,239 And because the source code 269 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,369 of proprietary software is usually 270 00:10:00,370 --> 00:10:02,799 a business secret, finding 271 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,899 security holes or deliberately installed 272 00:10:04,900 --> 00:10:07,059 backdoors is extremely difficult 273 00:10:07,060 --> 00:10:09,009 and even illegal. 274 00:10:09,010 --> 00:10:11,169 But a public administrations 275 00:10:11,170 --> 00:10:13,329 can do better if all 276 00:10:13,330 --> 00:10:15,399 publicly financed software were to 277 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,739 be free and open source. 278 00:10:17,740 --> 00:10:20,349 We could use and share our infrastructure 279 00:10:20,350 --> 00:10:22,329 for anything and for as long as we 280 00:10:22,330 --> 00:10:25,269 wanted, we could upgrade it, 281 00:10:25,270 --> 00:10:27,429 repair it and 282 00:10:27,430 --> 00:10:29,499 remodel it in any way 283 00:10:29,500 --> 00:10:31,359 to fit our needs. 284 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,579 And because the open source and 285 00:10:33,580 --> 00:10:35,919 free software means that the blueprint is 286 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,109 openly readable for everyone. 287 00:10:38,110 --> 00:10:40,299 This makes it much easier to find 288 00:10:40,300 --> 00:10:42,909 and close security holes. 289 00:10:42,910 --> 00:10:45,159 And if something practical 290 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,709 and reliable was created digitally, 291 00:10:47,710 --> 00:10:50,109 not only can you reuse the blueprint 292 00:10:50,110 --> 00:10:52,239 all over your country, 293 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,429 the actual thing itself can be 294 00:10:54,430 --> 00:10:57,949 deployed anywhere, even internationally. 295 00:10:57,950 --> 00:11:00,289 A great example of this is Fix 296 00:11:00,290 --> 00:11:02,539 My Street, originally developed 297 00:11:02,540 --> 00:11:04,669 in Great Britain as a free software app 298 00:11:04,670 --> 00:11:06,529 to report, view and discuss local 299 00:11:06,530 --> 00:11:08,779 problems like potholes. 300 00:11:08,780 --> 00:11:12,049 It's now being used all over the world. 301 00:11:12,050 --> 00:11:14,239 Everyone benefits because new 302 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,489 features and improvements are shared 303 00:11:16,490 --> 00:11:18,139 by everyone. 304 00:11:18,140 --> 00:11:20,239 If all our software were developed 305 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,339 like this, we could stop 306 00:11:22,340 --> 00:11:25,159 struggling with restrictive licenses 307 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,169 and could start thinking about where and 308 00:11:27,170 --> 00:11:29,869 how software could help us. 309 00:11:29,870 --> 00:11:31,939 We could concentrate on creating a better 310 00:11:31,940 --> 00:11:33,829 society for everyone. 311 00:11:33,830 --> 00:11:36,319 So if you think that tomorrow's 312 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,239 infrastructure should be in our own 313 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,879 hands, help us now 314 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,309 by sharing this video and visiting 315 00:11:43,310 --> 00:11:45,559 our website public code top 316 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:46,759 EU. 317 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,399 It's time to make our demand 318 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,619 public money public 319 00:11:51,620 --> 00:11:52,620 code. 320 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:05,109 So, yeah, this video was actually 321 00:12:05,110 --> 00:12:07,209 something which was quite difficult for 322 00:12:07,210 --> 00:12:08,919 us, so we had many people involved in the 323 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:09,909 campaign. 324 00:12:09,910 --> 00:12:11,979 And when we started to think about like 325 00:12:11,980 --> 00:12:14,139 what to put in the video, there were lots 326 00:12:14,140 --> 00:12:16,449 of people. We can't say it like this. 327 00:12:16,450 --> 00:12:17,559 That's too 328 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,279 hard, too much simplification there. 329 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,259 And in the end, we had to decide that 330 00:12:23,260 --> 00:12:24,849 it's just a small group of free people 331 00:12:24,850 --> 00:12:27,729 from us, plus the person doing the video 332 00:12:27,730 --> 00:12:29,949 that we came up with this, which I hope 333 00:12:29,950 --> 00:12:32,259 that it's now very easy to understand 334 00:12:32,260 --> 00:12:33,939 for politicians, political decision 335 00:12:33,940 --> 00:12:35,499 makers and people in public 336 00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:36,500 administrations. 337 00:12:37,570 --> 00:12:39,549 What we did later in the campaign was 338 00:12:39,550 --> 00:12:41,619 that we translated the video 339 00:12:41,620 --> 00:12:43,359 in several other languages, so it's now 340 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,279 available in English, Spanish, French, 341 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,409 Italian, Portuguese and Russian. 342 00:12:47,410 --> 00:12:49,629 And thereby, we should, in theory, be 343 00:12:49,630 --> 00:12:51,969 able to reach over one billion people 344 00:12:51,970 --> 00:12:53,979 in their native language. 345 00:12:53,980 --> 00:12:55,839 We are still interested to also have that 346 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,729 in other languages. 347 00:12:57,730 --> 00:13:00,089 So the costs for that are 348 00:13:00,090 --> 00:13:02,199 around €900 if you want to do it 349 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,429 professionally. 350 00:13:03,430 --> 00:13:05,229 We also had some organizations in other 351 00:13:05,230 --> 00:13:06,999 countries who were taking care about 352 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,099 debts of one organization was handling 353 00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:10,329 this for French. 354 00:13:10,330 --> 00:13:12,969 And we also found several people in 355 00:13:12,970 --> 00:13:15,249 other countries there who 356 00:13:15,250 --> 00:13:16,899 like to complain a lot and then helped 357 00:13:16,900 --> 00:13:17,900 us. 358 00:13:18,310 --> 00:13:20,799 Yeah, I don't doing it pro bono 359 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,809 for a very good price. 360 00:13:22,810 --> 00:13:24,039 So, yeah, this video is there. 361 00:13:25,750 --> 00:13:27,279 You can use it. 362 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,979 And then one 363 00:13:29,980 --> 00:13:32,229 other component, which we also 364 00:13:32,230 --> 00:13:34,419 which also people started using, was 365 00:13:34,420 --> 00:13:36,669 that some, uh, 366 00:13:36,670 --> 00:13:39,339 some activists spent their nights 367 00:13:39,340 --> 00:13:41,619 playing around with global projectors. 368 00:13:41,620 --> 00:13:43,449 There were things where you can play 369 00:13:43,450 --> 00:13:45,519 around with light and projected that on 370 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:46,520 buildings. 371 00:13:47,230 --> 00:13:49,059 They are also I've already seen some 372 00:13:49,060 --> 00:13:51,369 people around here who 373 00:13:51,370 --> 00:13:53,889 may have been part of this activities. 374 00:13:53,890 --> 00:13:54,940 And so 375 00:13:55,990 --> 00:13:58,239 they yeah, they're the reason 376 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,519 for that is that it's it 377 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,079 gives you your offer. 378 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,029 It's have some pictures which you can use 379 00:14:04,030 --> 00:14:06,159 when you want to bring 380 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,499 that in the in the press talk 381 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:11,439 of out of if the media and 382 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,599 and also in general, to 383 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,219 have some images for something which is 384 00:14:15,220 --> 00:14:16,869 very abstract, like talking about 385 00:14:16,870 --> 00:14:18,369 software. 386 00:14:18,370 --> 00:14:20,439 So yeah, some people spend 387 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,689 their nights in Frankfurt and 388 00:14:22,690 --> 00:14:25,119 in Berlin to protect messages 389 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,580 on public administrations buildings. 390 00:14:28,990 --> 00:14:31,359 And then 391 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,489 one one thing we did was 392 00:14:33,490 --> 00:14:36,639 that with the open letter and the video, 393 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,369 we started contacting politicians 394 00:14:39,370 --> 00:14:41,679 for, UM, 395 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,929 for the federal elections in 396 00:14:43,930 --> 00:14:46,329 Germany in 2017. 397 00:14:46,330 --> 00:14:48,519 So I noticed in German I will 398 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,379 briefly translate it. 399 00:14:50,380 --> 00:14:53,059 So d 400 00:14:53,060 --> 00:14:55,209 d, what we did there was that we 401 00:14:55,210 --> 00:14:57,879 sent an email to all candidates 402 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,979 who can be dated for becoming a member of 403 00:14:59,980 --> 00:15:03,249 Parliament in the German Bundestag. 404 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:05,349 And one experience we made 405 00:15:05,350 --> 00:15:07,539 there is that the the feedback 406 00:15:07,540 --> 00:15:09,669 we received from politicians there 407 00:15:09,670 --> 00:15:10,869 was quite good. 408 00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:12,999 But what even worked better was 409 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,309 that we encourage people to contact their 410 00:15:15,310 --> 00:15:18,009 direct candidates themselves. 411 00:15:18,010 --> 00:15:20,409 And this is an example 412 00:15:20,410 --> 00:15:22,719 of a reply and my mother 413 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,819 received. So she was also contacting 414 00:15:24,820 --> 00:15:27,399 politicians about that and asked them if 415 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,080 Dave would be in favor of 416 00:15:30,670 --> 00:15:32,469 a publicly financed offer being published 417 00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:34,419 under free software licenses. 418 00:15:34,420 --> 00:15:36,849 And this was the reply by, um, 419 00:15:36,850 --> 00:15:39,339 by a conservative politician 420 00:15:39,340 --> 00:15:41,439 who is also secretary of state from that 421 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,659 party. And he wrote that 422 00:15:43,660 --> 00:15:45,729 it's it's very he's 423 00:15:45,730 --> 00:15:47,799 very impressed by the work who her 424 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,869 son and if this FSF 425 00:15:49,870 --> 00:15:51,999 e are doing and that 426 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,099 after the election, he would like to have 427 00:15:54,100 --> 00:15:56,289 contact with us and talk with us 428 00:15:56,290 --> 00:15:58,569 about this because it's an area 429 00:15:58,570 --> 00:16:00,789 where politicians are also dependent on 430 00:16:00,790 --> 00:16:02,710 the expertize from 431 00:16:03,790 --> 00:16:05,829 from external people. 432 00:16:05,830 --> 00:16:07,959 And so that's something which 433 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,329 is where 434 00:16:10,330 --> 00:16:12,339 you see that with some very small 435 00:16:12,340 --> 00:16:14,439 messages, short emails, you can 436 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,779 already reach people on a more personal 437 00:16:16,780 --> 00:16:18,849 level and and 438 00:16:18,850 --> 00:16:20,319 showed him this video. I mean, he was 439 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,059 also in the in the email replying, Oh 440 00:16:22,060 --> 00:16:23,109 yeah, that video makes sense. 441 00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:25,059 I also forwarded it to our experts. 442 00:16:25,060 --> 00:16:26,109 Let's see what they say. 443 00:16:26,110 --> 00:16:28,389 But I mean, for himself, first 444 00:16:28,390 --> 00:16:30,429 of all, the politician said, Look, yeah, 445 00:16:30,430 --> 00:16:32,019 that that all makes sense. 446 00:16:32,020 --> 00:16:33,399 We should do that. 447 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,859 And the same political 448 00:16:35,860 --> 00:16:37,959 party, just a few 449 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,109 steps forward, a few 450 00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:43,149 a few weeks ago took a decision. 451 00:16:43,150 --> 00:16:45,519 So it was the CDU and 452 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,710 the CDU at their last party convention. 453 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,009 They took the decision 454 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:53,169 that publicly 455 00:16:53,170 --> 00:16:55,570 finance software should be published 456 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,479 under free software licenses and be 457 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,879 available for everyone, which was 458 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,089 for. A big, big improvement 459 00:17:03,090 --> 00:17:04,090 there. 460 00:17:09,609 --> 00:17:11,489 Because it's usually if it came from 461 00:17:11,490 --> 00:17:14,618 party, which years before our ten years, 462 00:17:14,619 --> 00:17:16,150 it was more blocking 463 00:17:18,190 --> 00:17:19,299 in this direction. 464 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:21,419 And so that's of course something 465 00:17:21,420 --> 00:17:22,659 they say now. 466 00:17:22,660 --> 00:17:24,578 And we have to make sure to monitor this 467 00:17:24,579 --> 00:17:26,199 and to remind them about what they want 468 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,419 to do so that actually 469 00:17:28,420 --> 00:17:29,949 things are implemented there. 470 00:17:29,950 --> 00:17:32,169 But I want to show it to you to to 471 00:17:32,170 --> 00:17:34,689 show that it's often 472 00:17:34,690 --> 00:17:36,129 to lots of people who have to do 473 00:17:36,130 --> 00:17:38,079 something are to to make a change. 474 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,149 And it could be one of the small 475 00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:42,129 emails which convinces one of the 476 00:17:42,130 --> 00:17:43,899 politicians to say yes when this is 477 00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:45,579 coming into the party convention and they 478 00:17:45,580 --> 00:17:46,719 have to take a decision there. 479 00:17:48,550 --> 00:17:50,679 Furthermore, what we also did before 480 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,199 this decision already is that 481 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,479 on the 14th of February, 482 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,059 we always encourage people to 483 00:17:58,060 --> 00:17:59,949 thank for software developers for their 484 00:17:59,950 --> 00:18:02,079 work. So we call it the Ilove Free 485 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,759 Software Day because we think they're not 486 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,349 just the flower industry should have some 487 00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:06,699 benefits there. 488 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:07,700 And 489 00:18:09,250 --> 00:18:11,499 last year, what we did understand was 490 00:18:11,500 --> 00:18:14,079 that we prepared letters 491 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,639 and roses. 492 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,739 And each member of 493 00:18:17,740 --> 00:18:19,359 the German parliament received such a 494 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:21,609 letter and arose from us. 495 00:18:21,610 --> 00:18:23,139 And in those letters, we explained them 496 00:18:23,140 --> 00:18:25,239 about free software, about public money, 497 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,399 public code, and asked them to 498 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,589 also be more aware 499 00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:31,749 about what free software is doing for our 500 00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:32,750 society. 501 00:18:33,820 --> 00:18:35,559 That was something, again, some 502 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,359 opportunity to remind them about this 503 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:39,469 topic and explain them what we 504 00:18:39,470 --> 00:18:40,470 have working on. 505 00:18:43,260 --> 00:18:45,419 One other component we had 506 00:18:45,420 --> 00:18:48,359 was that beside the website 507 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,719 and the video and the open letter, 508 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,559 we wanted to have something that when 509 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,989 politicians or political decision makers 510 00:18:54,990 --> 00:18:57,179 in general say, that all makes 511 00:18:57,180 --> 00:18:58,649 sense. What can I do next? 512 00:18:58,650 --> 00:19:00,839 How can I learn more that 513 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,459 we have something to hand over to them 514 00:19:02,460 --> 00:19:04,559 for us? So we decided that we wanted 515 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,319 to create a brochure with more 516 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,479 insight. Text some more details 517 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,309 about the topic. 518 00:19:11,310 --> 00:19:13,409 So together with other organizations who 519 00:19:13,410 --> 00:19:15,629 contributed text for this, we created 520 00:19:15,630 --> 00:19:17,759 a brochure for public money, public 521 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,069 court for the modernization 522 00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:22,709 of the public infrastructure 523 00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:25,769 off of our public administrations. 524 00:19:25,770 --> 00:19:28,019 And this brochure is it's 525 00:19:28,020 --> 00:19:29,849 now available all said our booth. 526 00:19:29,850 --> 00:19:31,559 You can hand it over whenever you talk 527 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,749 with politicians about this topic 528 00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:35,459 and say, here's something more for you or 529 00:19:35,460 --> 00:19:37,649 for your assistance to read. 530 00:19:37,650 --> 00:19:39,859 And yeah, at the moment 531 00:19:39,860 --> 00:19:42,059 it's only available in English, but 532 00:19:42,060 --> 00:19:44,939 we are working on a German translation 533 00:19:44,940 --> 00:19:47,039 together with iFit, which is a public 534 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,859 admin public body to help 535 00:19:49,860 --> 00:19:52,319 public administration to modernize it. 536 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,029 So soon, there will also be a German 537 00:19:54,030 --> 00:19:55,829 translation, which then hopefully will 538 00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:57,959 help people in Germany, Austria 539 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,849 and parts of Switzerland to convince more 540 00:19:59,850 --> 00:20:01,440 people about this again. 541 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,309 So and by that, I'm handing over to 542 00:20:05,310 --> 00:20:08,069 Bonnie, our current intern, who 543 00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:09,569 worked on this as one of her internship 544 00:20:09,570 --> 00:20:10,469 projects. 545 00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:11,470 Hello. 546 00:20:12,750 --> 00:20:13,979 Thank you for having us 547 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:16,840 on. 548 00:20:17,070 --> 00:20:19,109 Oh yeah. All right. 549 00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:21,179 And just like doing my 550 00:20:21,180 --> 00:20:22,409 internship, as Mattie has already 551 00:20:22,410 --> 00:20:23,849 mentioned, I worked on the Public Money 552 00:20:23,850 --> 00:20:26,099 Public Code campaign and 553 00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:28,469 I managed it as by sending out letters 554 00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:29,699 to politicians. 555 00:20:29,700 --> 00:20:31,589 I wanted to get in contact with lots of 556 00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:33,779 administrations all over Europe 557 00:20:33,780 --> 00:20:35,399 to get them to sign the open letter 558 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,499 because so far we have only three of 559 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:40,889 them and we want there to be more. 560 00:20:40,890 --> 00:20:43,509 Yes. So those three are 561 00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:45,659 the addition of other dystopias. 562 00:20:45,660 --> 00:20:47,879 I hope I'm pronouncing correctly 563 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,949 some commander up March and the 564 00:20:49,950 --> 00:20:51,299 city of Barcelona. 565 00:20:52,490 --> 00:20:55,079 Wow. Well, how did I do this? 566 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,479 I sent out some mails to the politicians 567 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:58,989 all over Europe. I looked up the 568 00:20:58,990 --> 00:21:01,169 addresses and I found out if I have any 569 00:21:01,170 --> 00:21:03,869 connections with software 570 00:21:03,870 --> 00:21:05,909 or free software in the town. 571 00:21:05,910 --> 00:21:08,009 I also did this with my hometown, 572 00:21:08,010 --> 00:21:09,809 who I'm still in contact with. 573 00:21:09,810 --> 00:21:11,639 I basically sent them some basic 574 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,379 information about free software as 575 00:21:13,380 --> 00:21:15,689 materials already introduced to you. 576 00:21:15,690 --> 00:21:17,879 And I also told them about the benefits 577 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,289 from free stuff and a public 578 00:21:19,290 --> 00:21:21,509 administration like collaboration 579 00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:23,789 with other communities, giving 580 00:21:23,790 --> 00:21:25,859 back something to the people, saving 581 00:21:25,860 --> 00:21:29,249 costs, for example, through collaboration 582 00:21:29,250 --> 00:21:31,289 and reducing dependencies. 583 00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:33,449 Also too far to support 584 00:21:33,450 --> 00:21:34,900 the local economy could be a 585 00:21:35,910 --> 00:21:38,159 benefit from it and innovation 586 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,929 because you don't need to reinvent the 587 00:21:39,930 --> 00:21:42,119 wheel every time if you use free 588 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:44,559 software in the public administration. 589 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,739 But then I ended those emails with a 590 00:21:46,740 --> 00:21:48,809 question like How is the digital 591 00:21:48,810 --> 00:21:50,849 strategy and what are you planning for 592 00:21:50,850 --> 00:21:52,889 the next mega station for this? 593 00:21:52,890 --> 00:21:55,079 I also created a Vicki page and 594 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,209 our wiki so that you find an 595 00:21:57,210 --> 00:21:59,339 example, email and also 596 00:21:59,340 --> 00:22:01,139 loads of information on how to do this 597 00:22:01,140 --> 00:22:02,369 and how to get in contact with 598 00:22:02,370 --> 00:22:03,599 politicians. 599 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,089 But then I also asked myself, 600 00:22:06,090 --> 00:22:08,159 but as politicians, the 601 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,409 only, say administrations, we have no, 602 00:22:10,410 --> 00:22:12,629 we have more. We have the universities 603 00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:14,919 for examples who are entities. 604 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,979 So now I need to click 605 00:22:16,980 --> 00:22:19,139 and also schools. 606 00:22:19,140 --> 00:22:21,239 Those all use public money to fund their 607 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,879 IT infrastructure and also libraries. 608 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,619 Libraries don't only have books, they 609 00:22:25,620 --> 00:22:26,940 actually also use software 610 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,219 and hospitals, for example, as well. 611 00:22:30,220 --> 00:22:32,429 Those are all public 612 00:22:32,430 --> 00:22:34,679 administrations who use public 613 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,209 funds for their I.T. 614 00:22:36,210 --> 00:22:38,129 infrastructure. 615 00:22:38,130 --> 00:22:40,199 I also have some examples 616 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,269 currently of Oh, you 617 00:22:42,270 --> 00:22:43,859 already saw this picture in the video. 618 00:22:43,860 --> 00:22:46,079 By the way, there's a motion in the 619 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,369 parliament of Castle. 620 00:22:47,370 --> 00:22:49,439 I know it's in Germany and 621 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,209 done very late, obviously examples from 622 00:22:51,210 --> 00:22:53,249 other countries. 623 00:22:53,250 --> 00:22:55,259 And that motion in the city parliament, 624 00:22:55,260 --> 00:22:57,689 of course, asked the magistrate 625 00:22:57,690 --> 00:22:59,579 to follow the guiding principle of being 626 00:22:59,580 --> 00:23:01,619 busy by the purchase and development of 627 00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:03,989 new free software out of new software. 628 00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:06,389 Sorry. So today you buy 629 00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:07,589 new free software. 630 00:23:08,940 --> 00:23:11,039 Well, there will be a vote on this in 631 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,659 the middle of January and a responsible 632 00:23:12,660 --> 00:23:15,209 committee, and in the end of 633 00:23:15,210 --> 00:23:17,189 January in the city parliament, this was 634 00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:19,109 already postponed a few times. 635 00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:20,639 So there's still time for all of you who 636 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,039 live in the area of castle to get active 637 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,799 and write off some emails we already did. 638 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,479 And we will be happy to have if you have 639 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,589 any questions there, as 640 00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:31,889 I have another success story 641 00:23:31,890 --> 00:23:34,049 from a heckler called Pica 642 00:23:34,050 --> 00:23:36,149 Pica in Asturias, 643 00:23:36,150 --> 00:23:38,129 as always, had a serious sign. 644 00:23:38,130 --> 00:23:40,979 Department of a serious side of letter 645 00:23:40,980 --> 00:23:42,819 and they asked their. 646 00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:44,829 Parliament to do this, they got in 647 00:23:44,830 --> 00:23:46,719 contact with their politicians as well 648 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,789 and told them about the benefits, some 649 00:23:48,790 --> 00:23:50,979 parties were more interested in 650 00:23:50,980 --> 00:23:53,049 saving costs or support 651 00:23:53,050 --> 00:23:54,699 the local economy and others very much 652 00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:57,219 interested in collaboration of others. 653 00:23:57,220 --> 00:23:59,109 And they used all these arguments with 654 00:23:59,110 --> 00:24:01,239 two parties and got in contact 655 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,489 with them and convinced them eventually 656 00:24:03,490 --> 00:24:05,169 to be the first parliament to sign the 657 00:24:05,170 --> 00:24:06,309 open letter. 658 00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:07,989 For this, we have an interview on our web 659 00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:09,909 page and you can look up the whole story 660 00:24:09,910 --> 00:24:10,869 there. 661 00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:13,239 Then I also have another example that's 662 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,369 currently happening in the 663 00:24:15,370 --> 00:24:16,449 parliament of Luxembourg. 664 00:24:16,450 --> 00:24:18,669 There's a motion that says we 665 00:24:18,670 --> 00:24:21,249 invite the government to actively promote 666 00:24:21,250 --> 00:24:23,199 and support free and open source software 667 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,359 and public administrations, and 668 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:27,819 to publish every new developed software 669 00:24:27,820 --> 00:24:29,919 which was financed from public funds as 670 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,079 open source software. 671 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,449 Currently, there are three at least three 672 00:24:34,450 --> 00:24:36,579 opposition parties the Pirates 673 00:24:36,580 --> 00:24:39,459 who have two seats, this SVP 674 00:24:39,460 --> 00:24:41,799 who have 21 seats and delink. 675 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,449 I hope I pronounce it correctly. 676 00:24:43,450 --> 00:24:45,699 Q. You have two seats as well 677 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:48,309 that are supporting does this motion 678 00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:50,379 and also Viviane Reding, a former EU 679 00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:52,509 commissioner from Disease V, is 680 00:24:52,510 --> 00:24:54,789 speaking in favor for the motion. 681 00:24:54,790 --> 00:24:56,559 So they're all examples where you can 682 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,079 still get active and write some emails. 683 00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:02,679 And if you are now motivated to do this 684 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,029 to get in contact with your local 685 00:25:04,030 --> 00:25:06,279 administration, as a result, there could 686 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,989 be any administration it could be in 687 00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:10,209 university or school or 688 00:25:10,210 --> 00:25:12,429 your hospital or your library and your 689 00:25:12,430 --> 00:25:14,679 local hometown where you're from. 690 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,269 You can come to our booth and you find 691 00:25:16,270 --> 00:25:17,799 information material there. 692 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,929 You can talk to me and I'm always happy 693 00:25:19,930 --> 00:25:21,459 to help you with this. 694 00:25:21,460 --> 00:25:23,769 And you thought you will also find 695 00:25:23,770 --> 00:25:25,719 information on our Wiki page that I 696 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,179 created for this, and 697 00:25:28,180 --> 00:25:30,249 we are always happy to hear about stories 698 00:25:30,250 --> 00:25:31,659 like that. 699 00:25:31,660 --> 00:25:32,919 Yes, Rufus. 700 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,689 And amid speculation that I was here in 701 00:25:34,690 --> 00:25:36,849 the cluster about freedom in the Seattle. 702 00:25:45,870 --> 00:25:48,069 So I mean, we showed you some examples 703 00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:49,799 of what we already have there. 704 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,169 As I said before, we would be interested 705 00:25:52,170 --> 00:25:54,329 for you to see what 706 00:25:54,330 --> 00:25:56,669 you can make out of that. 707 00:25:56,670 --> 00:25:59,399 You should be aware that changing 708 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,889 things in public administration, it's a 709 00:26:01,890 --> 00:26:05,129 steep, stony, rocky, 710 00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:07,259 long way because for many, 711 00:26:07,260 --> 00:26:09,539 many years they were driving in a one 712 00:26:09,540 --> 00:26:10,559 way road. 713 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,719 And it's very difficult for them to 714 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,549 make changes, come out of doors, bend or 715 00:26:14,550 --> 00:26:16,089 lock ends. 716 00:26:16,090 --> 00:26:18,689 They they drove into. 717 00:26:18,690 --> 00:26:21,089 And so be aware 718 00:26:21,090 --> 00:26:23,189 that when you reach out to politicians, 719 00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:25,049 to political decision makers, to people 720 00:26:25,050 --> 00:26:27,329 in public administrations, some of them 721 00:26:27,330 --> 00:26:29,519 will not understand what you want 722 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:30,989 to talk about. 723 00:26:30,990 --> 00:26:33,239 Some of them will don't want 724 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,399 to talk with you about that. 725 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,679 Some might say yes, but how 726 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,029 should I do that? There are so many 727 00:26:39,030 --> 00:26:41,849 reasons why we can't do that so 728 00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:43,409 it can be quiet. 729 00:26:43,410 --> 00:26:45,779 You have to be aware that it's something 730 00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:48,119 which takes a lot of time, and 731 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:50,519 it will not be like when you 732 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,259 try to convince public administrations. 733 00:26:52,260 --> 00:26:54,329 When you contact some, there might be 20 734 00:26:54,330 --> 00:26:56,399 of them who say no or 735 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,989 who are not interested in what you want 736 00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:59,369 to talk with them about. 737 00:26:59,370 --> 00:27:02,159 But there might be then one or two 738 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,929 where you are successful and where you 739 00:27:03,930 --> 00:27:05,639 can make a change. 740 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,679 And in the end, it's 741 00:27:08,820 --> 00:27:09,779 I mean the FSF Eve. 742 00:27:09,780 --> 00:27:10,709 We are working on this. 743 00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:12,449 Many people in Europe are working on this 744 00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:13,469 campaign. 745 00:27:13,470 --> 00:27:15,749 We hope that we can encourage you 746 00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:18,119 to also be part of that for some time, 747 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:20,279 to support us to walk this way with 748 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,529 us to to make sure that 749 00:27:22,530 --> 00:27:24,659 all the others are proceeding with that, 750 00:27:24,660 --> 00:27:26,669 that we can make changes there and that 751 00:27:26,670 --> 00:27:28,769 we can make sure that public 752 00:27:28,770 --> 00:27:30,989 administrations will publish software 753 00:27:30,990 --> 00:27:32,729 under free software licenses so that 754 00:27:32,730 --> 00:27:34,589 everybody of us will benefit from that 755 00:27:34,590 --> 00:27:35,999 and other public administrations will 756 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,679 benefit from that. 757 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,139 And I mean, 758 00:27:40,140 --> 00:27:42,419 that's one of the qualities which my 759 00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:44,399 first teacher wrote down for me at that 760 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,679 time, an African saying many 761 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,319 small people in many small places 762 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,299 to many small things that will alter the 763 00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:52,829 face of the world. 764 00:27:52,830 --> 00:27:55,109 So please don't wait 765 00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:57,419 for some hero as some other people 766 00:27:57,420 --> 00:27:59,579 to do some changes to 767 00:27:59,580 --> 00:28:01,779 fix some things which you 768 00:28:01,780 --> 00:28:05,069 think are important, but rather 769 00:28:05,070 --> 00:28:06,929 do something today, something small. 770 00:28:06,930 --> 00:28:09,239 Start now to to do something 771 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,399 dear. And in the end, it's the sum of 772 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,679 all those activities from all of us 773 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,899 that will make a change, not some 774 00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:18,119 big activity by some person or 775 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:19,439 one big organization. 776 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,569 It will be rather 777 00:28:21,570 --> 00:28:23,699 the combined sum of all the 778 00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:25,769 activities, the small things which all 779 00:28:25,770 --> 00:28:27,089 of us will do together. 780 00:28:27,090 --> 00:28:29,279 So I hope that you 781 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,419 will start today with this. 782 00:28:30,420 --> 00:28:32,579 And now we have some time 783 00:28:32,580 --> 00:28:34,470 to talk with you about your questions. 784 00:28:35,490 --> 00:28:36,779 Yes, looking forward to this? 785 00:28:36,780 --> 00:28:37,859 Thank you very much. 786 00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:39,839 And also, thanks a lot to all the 787 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,939 supporters of the FSF who made 788 00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:44,549 it possible for us to come to here. 789 00:28:44,550 --> 00:28:45,550 Thank you. 790 00:28:53,540 --> 00:28:55,669 OK, so we have sometimes left 791 00:28:55,670 --> 00:28:57,799 for questions, you can see a microphone 792 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,059 over there and over there. 793 00:28:59,060 --> 00:29:01,399 You can go there 794 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,909 to ask questions. 795 00:29:02,910 --> 00:29:05,359 Yeah, the microphone to the left. 796 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,919 Hey, thanks first for 797 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,049 your engagement for free software 798 00:29:09,050 --> 00:29:11,689 and to you and on to the FCC. 799 00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:14,269 My question would be when talking to 800 00:29:14,270 --> 00:29:16,459 officials, I often hear, OK, but we 801 00:29:16,460 --> 00:29:18,079 need to suspend now. 802 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,389 And if you do not buy the software from 803 00:29:20,390 --> 00:29:21,390 this commercial 804 00:29:22,910 --> 00:29:24,649 industry, then we will have the problem 805 00:29:24,650 --> 00:29:26,299 that no one else will develop it and it 806 00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:28,399 will stop developing it for us 807 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,649 or afford to us to very 808 00:29:30,650 --> 00:29:32,569 high prices because we want to have it 809 00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:34,759 open source. What do you answer to 810 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:35,760 this? 811 00:29:36,260 --> 00:29:37,399 Complain. 812 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,400 Hmm. 813 00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:41,569 I mean, there are definitely cases where 814 00:29:41,570 --> 00:29:43,699 something like that is the case so that 815 00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:45,859 they say, Well, we we 816 00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:48,019 want to procure software for this area. 817 00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:50,119 They asked us to provide us for this at 818 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,639 the moment. And they say, Well, 819 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,799 we know that there are just two providers 820 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,119 and we will not offer it as free 821 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,169 software. 822 00:29:57,170 --> 00:29:59,059 So it's very difficult for the public 823 00:29:59,060 --> 00:30:00,920 administration to do something about it. 824 00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:04,369 I think for it, it depends 825 00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:06,289 a lot on the area there. 826 00:30:06,290 --> 00:30:08,449 There are areas where the software is 827 00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:10,969 a lot of influence on our society, 828 00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:13,129 where we should also push 829 00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:15,229 political decision makers more to 830 00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:17,449 make this mandatory that the software 831 00:30:17,450 --> 00:30:19,699 needs to be under free software license. 832 00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:23,179 There are other areas where maybe 833 00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:25,399 we don't have to focus our 834 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,559 resources on this case at 835 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:28,879 the moment, because there are others 836 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,009 where it makes more sense to focus on 837 00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:33,169 them to also find some examples 838 00:30:33,170 --> 00:30:35,469 where it's easier to 839 00:30:35,470 --> 00:30:37,129 to do it as free software. 840 00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:38,719 So you can already show people what 841 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,309 benefits they have from this sort of 842 00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:42,379 public administrations, how how 843 00:30:42,380 --> 00:30:44,269 much they can benefit from that so that 844 00:30:44,270 --> 00:30:46,309 over the time they build up competency, 845 00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:48,859 how to deal with that and can then also 846 00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:50,479 easier to tackle those difficult 847 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,759 problems. But as I said, I think 848 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,159 there are areas in which 849 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,129 the software has a huge impact on society 850 00:30:58,130 --> 00:31:00,229 and on the people's lives 851 00:31:00,230 --> 00:31:02,569 where we should not just accept 852 00:31:02,570 --> 00:31:05,119 how well the companies say no, 853 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,609 but where we should think hard about 854 00:31:07,610 --> 00:31:09,889 if we should not invest 855 00:31:09,890 --> 00:31:11,420 more resources, more money 856 00:31:12,530 --> 00:31:14,809 in this, that we develop 857 00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:16,879 solutions like that as free software that 858 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,139 we also reach out to other 859 00:31:18,140 --> 00:31:20,029 administrations all over Europe and think 860 00:31:20,030 --> 00:31:22,129 about if maybe resources could 861 00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:24,979 be combined to tackle such a problem 862 00:31:24,980 --> 00:31:25,980 today. 863 00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:28,100 Thank you. 864 00:31:28,540 --> 00:31:30,609 OK, now for the microphone on the 865 00:31:30,610 --> 00:31:31,629 right. 866 00:31:31,630 --> 00:31:32,439 Thanks, guys, for 867 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,659 your for your work on this 868 00:31:34,660 --> 00:31:35,679 topic. 869 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,599 The question I have is do you have some 870 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,849 resource on positive examples of software 871 00:31:39,850 --> 00:31:42,009 that is already Open-Source and used in 872 00:31:42,010 --> 00:31:44,229 a lot of administrations that you can 873 00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:46,299 refer to when trying to convince people 874 00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:49,809 there was already mentioned to fix my 875 00:31:49,810 --> 00:31:52,029 street in the video, for 876 00:31:52,030 --> 00:31:53,499 example? 877 00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:55,629 And for us, I 878 00:31:55,630 --> 00:31:57,639 have to think to, you know, 879 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,679 I mean, in in the brochure, we mentioned 880 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,819 some examples of 881 00:32:01,820 --> 00:32:03,789 of software, which is widely used. 882 00:32:03,790 --> 00:32:06,519 So there are some, some standards 883 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,520 there is 884 00:32:09,130 --> 00:32:10,809 there is on the European level, the 885 00:32:10,810 --> 00:32:13,059 sharing and reuse of art. 886 00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:15,519 And it's something where 887 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,709 the European Commission, they give out 888 00:32:17,710 --> 00:32:19,689 awards to public administrations who 889 00:32:19,690 --> 00:32:21,219 develop software, which is then also 890 00:32:21,220 --> 00:32:23,709 reused by other public administrations 891 00:32:23,710 --> 00:32:25,929 in Europe, and lots of them are 892 00:32:25,930 --> 00:32:28,209 published on a free software licenses. 893 00:32:28,210 --> 00:32:30,459 So I would encourage you to 894 00:32:30,460 --> 00:32:33,219 have a look at those examples there. 895 00:32:33,220 --> 00:32:35,409 I'm a bit I'm a bit 896 00:32:35,410 --> 00:32:37,539 hesitant to to mention 897 00:32:37,540 --> 00:32:40,149 concrete examples because one of the 898 00:32:40,150 --> 00:32:42,249 one of the experience we made was 899 00:32:42,250 --> 00:32:44,799 that sometimes 900 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,439 people, they just look at some of those 901 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,969 projects. 902 00:32:48,970 --> 00:32:51,969 And for example, if Munich 903 00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:53,739 before where lots of people always 904 00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:55,929 Munich, it's the Lightning 905 00:32:55,930 --> 00:32:57,999 and lighthouse project of free software. 906 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,429 And and then everybody's 907 00:33:00,430 --> 00:33:01,839 looking at that and they don't look 908 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,159 around what else is happening. 909 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,289 And then then through political 910 00:33:05,290 --> 00:33:06,290 changes, 911 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,579 things are not going that well for 912 00:33:09,580 --> 00:33:11,079 one of those projects. 913 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,779 Then then people are 914 00:33:13,780 --> 00:33:16,029 so disappointed and think that this this 915 00:33:16,030 --> 00:33:18,369 one thing, that's that's the big part 916 00:33:18,370 --> 00:33:20,409 there. And I mean, I'm I'm convinced that 917 00:33:20,410 --> 00:33:21,879 we don't need those those big 918 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,009 lighthouses, but that we have many 919 00:33:24,010 --> 00:33:26,589 stars in the in the sky 920 00:33:26,590 --> 00:33:28,599 where people are doing something good in 921 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:29,679 public administration. 922 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,049 So look at those those winner, 923 00:33:32,050 --> 00:33:33,789 those winners of those awards, look in 924 00:33:33,790 --> 00:33:35,589 our brochure, what examples there are and 925 00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:37,629 then find those which which you like 926 00:33:37,630 --> 00:33:39,729 personally because they are from 927 00:33:39,730 --> 00:33:42,129 an area which which you care about 928 00:33:42,130 --> 00:33:44,749 and then use them to explain this. 929 00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:46,299 Yeah, it's OK. I was looking for like a 930 00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:47,259 list with all 931 00:33:47,260 --> 00:33:49,359 these projects to hand over, like a list 932 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,639 to to show that this is a big 933 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,349 thing and not only individual projects. 934 00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:55,189 Exactly like I said, you know, 935 00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:56,379 you don't have a list on your website, do 936 00:33:56,380 --> 00:33:58,179 you? Because it's in the brochure, there 937 00:33:58,180 --> 00:33:59,469 are examples and there are also 938 00:33:59,470 --> 00:34:01,569 references to other resources like, 939 00:34:01,570 --> 00:34:03,549 for example, the European Commission has 940 00:34:03,550 --> 00:34:05,799 joined up, which published case 941 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,869 studies about free software usage 942 00:34:07,870 --> 00:34:09,399 in the European Union. 943 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,099 So those are very good resources to find 944 00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:14,259 good examples for yourself. 945 00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:15,260 Thanks. 946 00:34:16,090 --> 00:34:18,039 All right. Are there any questions from 947 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,040 the internet? 948 00:34:19,630 --> 00:34:22,119 No. OK, then let's go with the microphone 949 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,079 on the left. 950 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,080 Thanks for the talk. 951 00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:27,669 I'm interested in working in this area, 952 00:34:27,670 --> 00:34:30,279 but I do not know about any funding. 953 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,499 Like is there a European German 954 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:34,869 funding that like will allow to 955 00:34:34,870 --> 00:34:36,939 fund a company or just work and 956 00:34:36,940 --> 00:34:38,650 get money from the European Union? 957 00:34:40,030 --> 00:34:42,069 When you have an project idea, are to 958 00:34:42,070 --> 00:34:45,009 work on a project to finance yourself. 959 00:34:45,010 --> 00:34:47,379 You mean that you want with 960 00:34:47,380 --> 00:34:49,269 your company to develop free software for 961 00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:51,339 the public administration, for example. 962 00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:53,649 Like that you you can live off of it, 963 00:34:53,650 --> 00:34:55,629 but do it in your free time after 40 964 00:34:55,630 --> 00:34:57,869 hours to 40 hours for that. 965 00:34:57,870 --> 00:34:58,899 Hmm. So. 966 00:35:00,930 --> 00:35:02,999 When you want to make money for free 967 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,159 software in this area, you have to follow 968 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,379 the same procedures as other 969 00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:08,489 companies have to. 970 00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:10,739 So there is a procurement process, 971 00:35:10,740 --> 00:35:12,929 you have to make your bit, they are into 972 00:35:12,930 --> 00:35:15,209 procurement processes and some 973 00:35:15,210 --> 00:35:17,399 public. I mean, our goal is that 974 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,619 public administrations will say 975 00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:21,899 more often that they want 976 00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:23,969 to have free software for this 977 00:35:23,970 --> 00:35:25,709 and that they don't allow proprietary 978 00:35:25,710 --> 00:35:27,839 software for those solutions so that when 979 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,179 you are making an offer 980 00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:32,669 that you have disadvantage there, 981 00:35:32,670 --> 00:35:35,099 that you don't have to compete with other 982 00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:36,839 with other companies who don't want to 983 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,969 provide those those rights to the 984 00:35:38,970 --> 00:35:40,619 public administrations. 985 00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:41,620 But there are 986 00:35:43,090 --> 00:35:45,089 we don't at the moment do anything to 987 00:35:45,090 --> 00:35:47,579 audit that free software 988 00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:49,499 that companies themselves address any any 989 00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:51,959 program to teach 990 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,119 us to make money with providing free 991 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,829 software to public spaces, because that 992 00:35:55,830 --> 00:35:58,589 would be something which is against the 993 00:35:58,590 --> 00:36:00,389 procurement laws there. 994 00:36:00,390 --> 00:36:02,249 I mean, there are some smaller things 995 00:36:02,250 --> 00:36:03,689 where you can get funding. 996 00:36:03,690 --> 00:36:06,119 For example, there is 997 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,519 the Our Project Funding Opportunities 998 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,349 for Free Software project about new 999 00:36:10,350 --> 00:36:12,179 internet technologies, which might also 1000 00:36:12,180 --> 00:36:13,889 be something for public administrations. 1001 00:36:13,890 --> 00:36:15,839 50 next generation internet. 1002 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,489 You can apply there for funds. 1003 00:36:17,490 --> 00:36:19,289 That's one thing where we also involved 1004 00:36:19,290 --> 00:36:21,779 to help with license issues and 1005 00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:24,129 there is for like smaller things 1006 00:36:24,130 --> 00:36:26,069 and it's very, very new. 1007 00:36:26,070 --> 00:36:28,319 You can also funding from the 1008 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,059 D prototype fund to develop some 1009 00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:31,739 software, which can afterwards be used 1010 00:36:31,740 --> 00:36:33,389 for the public administration. 1011 00:36:33,390 --> 00:36:34,919 But beside that, I mean, you have to go 1012 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:35,849 the normal way. 1013 00:36:35,850 --> 00:36:38,429 Our goal is to increase the demand 1014 00:36:38,430 --> 00:36:39,629 for free software in the public 1015 00:36:39,630 --> 00:36:41,729 administration and to 1016 00:36:41,730 --> 00:36:43,979 have also regulation that it's very 1017 00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:46,109 difficult to to procure 1018 00:36:46,110 --> 00:36:47,159 proprietary software. 1019 00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:49,180 Thank you. 1020 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,389 All right, then let's go with the 1021 00:36:51,390 --> 00:36:53,189 microphone on the right again. 1022 00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:55,409 Hello. So you probably 1023 00:36:55,410 --> 00:36:57,549 know that in Italy, since 1024 00:36:57,550 --> 00:37:00,179 that June of this year, we have 1025 00:37:00,180 --> 00:37:02,429 a law that's required in most 1026 00:37:02,430 --> 00:37:04,649 of the case to use the re-use 1027 00:37:04,650 --> 00:37:06,899 and implement free software 1028 00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:08,489 from the public administration. 1029 00:37:08,490 --> 00:37:10,679 So somehow 1030 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,929 that there's a law. 1031 00:37:12,930 --> 00:37:15,089 So we are entering into a new 1032 00:37:15,090 --> 00:37:17,399 phase where there is the need to monitor 1033 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,559 the implementation of the law and to 1034 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,659 act when the law 1035 00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:24,149 is not respected because almost 1036 00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:26,369 no single authority 1037 00:37:26,370 --> 00:37:28,589 have the duty to control this kind of 1038 00:37:28,590 --> 00:37:30,659 very complicated the software and 1039 00:37:30,660 --> 00:37:33,090 public procurement law related things. 1040 00:37:34,170 --> 00:37:36,419 We want the way we are going to implement 1041 00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:38,789 a project that would make our monitoring 1042 00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:40,529 community around that. 1043 00:37:40,530 --> 00:37:42,839 But I wanted to ask if there are 1044 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,359 other existing initiatives 1045 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,669 that already entered into this phase 1046 00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:49,949 of monitoring public procurement 1047 00:37:49,950 --> 00:37:52,349 of software acting on it 1048 00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:55,109 legally. And I mean, not just advocating 1049 00:37:55,110 --> 00:37:57,389 for it, but enforcing 1050 00:37:57,390 --> 00:37:59,580 it from a civil society perspective 1051 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:01,859 from having a center. 1052 00:38:01,860 --> 00:38:03,299 Yeah, yeah. 1053 00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:05,849 So yes, we are in contact with 1054 00:38:05,850 --> 00:38:07,979 don't know with whom exactly from 1055 00:38:07,980 --> 00:38:09,959 you, but we are in contact with the 1056 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,789 family center. Probably OK with you. 1057 00:38:11,790 --> 00:38:13,349 Perfect. Thank you very much for your 1058 00:38:13,350 --> 00:38:15,419 work there. I mean that that's something 1059 00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:17,639 which is very important now that 1060 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:18,780 whenever we 1061 00:38:19,860 --> 00:38:21,929 we reach the state that a law 1062 00:38:21,930 --> 00:38:24,389 is introduced or party 1063 00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:26,519 is making a commitment that we monitor 1064 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,009 this, remind them about that 1065 00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:31,049 and and see how this is actually going. 1066 00:38:31,050 --> 00:38:33,899 So I mean, for Italy, this law that 1067 00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:36,059 before you as a procurement, that 1068 00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:37,949 government added public administration 1069 00:38:37,950 --> 00:38:39,299 should check if other public 1070 00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:41,339 administrations already have a software 1071 00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:43,439 which fulfills this need. 1072 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,449 Else, they should check if there's free 1073 00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:47,579 software available to to 1074 00:38:47,580 --> 00:38:50,009 make to to make 1075 00:38:50,010 --> 00:38:50,969 to solve this problem. 1076 00:38:50,970 --> 00:38:53,159 And just if that is not the case, 1077 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,739 then they are able to procure proprietary 1078 00:38:55,740 --> 00:38:56,789 software. 1079 00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:58,889 Now the thing is always in 1080 00:38:58,890 --> 00:39:00,359 in political processes, 1081 00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:03,299 you have a law, so it's somewhat 1082 00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:04,259 formulated something. 1083 00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:05,759 You have a decision about something and 1084 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,799 then comes the part about policy 1085 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,969 implementation. 1086 00:39:08,970 --> 00:39:10,859 And that's the part which is most 1087 00:39:10,860 --> 00:39:13,109 complicated and where most policy fail. 1088 00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:15,569 So it's not so much that people don't, 1089 00:39:15,570 --> 00:39:16,919 cannot vote yes or no. 1090 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,329 We want to have this or not. 1091 00:39:18,330 --> 00:39:20,909 It's the problem is in the implementation 1092 00:39:20,910 --> 00:39:23,249 phase, and that will be the hardest 1093 00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:25,349 part. And there we need the help of 1094 00:39:25,350 --> 00:39:27,299 many people, many organizations, to 1095 00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:29,579 monitor what is actually going on there, 1096 00:39:29,580 --> 00:39:31,789 too. Then again, remind them about 1097 00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:33,839 that to readjust laws, to think about 1098 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,939 what other things can be done 1099 00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:38,249 to, to make the right incentives. 1100 00:39:38,250 --> 00:39:40,409 So I mean, some some laws are, they 1101 00:39:40,410 --> 00:39:43,079 are. They say it's forbidden to do this. 1102 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,879 Others are. They are like, if you do it 1103 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,559 that way, then you have a lots of 1104 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,779 benefits. So we 1105 00:39:48,780 --> 00:39:50,969 have to see how, how to make such 1106 00:39:50,970 --> 00:39:53,009 changes in a way that is sustainable, 1107 00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:55,469 that the public administration 1108 00:39:55,470 --> 00:39:57,599 is not so much forced to do something 1109 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,489 by law, but that they that. 1110 00:39:59,490 --> 00:40:01,679 They see that they have advantages when 1111 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,809 doing that and that they want to do that, 1112 00:40:03,810 --> 00:40:05,669 and it will be easier. 1113 00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:08,039 So yeah, in that case. 1114 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,689 Thanks a lot. Already today, the Hamas 1115 00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:12,239 center was which is working on this 1116 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:13,289 for for Italy. 1117 00:40:13,290 --> 00:40:15,359 We hope that we are able to monitor 1118 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:16,749 that for other countries as well, 1119 00:40:16,750 --> 00:40:19,109 together with other organizations. 1120 00:40:19,110 --> 00:40:21,389 So, yeah, support 1121 00:40:21,390 --> 00:40:23,669 organizations like Hamas Center and 1122 00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:24,670 others who are doing this. 1123 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,259 So if there are still no questions 1124 00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:30,539 from the internet, no, 1125 00:40:30,540 --> 00:40:32,849 then we'll go with one on the left again. 1126 00:40:32,850 --> 00:40:35,009 Thank you, Bonnie and Matthias. 1127 00:40:35,010 --> 00:40:37,199 And there are initiatives, 1128 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,189 even big ones. 1129 00:40:38,190 --> 00:40:40,949 So if you don't focus 1130 00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:43,439 your business on public money, 1131 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,749 then actually, I believe there's 1132 00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:47,849 more money in open source consulting 1133 00:40:47,850 --> 00:40:49,919 than in proprietary consulting. 1134 00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:53,189 We made this experience 1135 00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:56,239 and now can you come a bit closer? 1136 00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:57,599 It's yeah, 1137 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,149 and there is. 1138 00:40:59,150 --> 00:41:01,319 And the moment Germany, together with 1139 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,899 France, is starting to gain 1140 00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:05,429 initiative, which was a little bit 1141 00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:07,829 ridiculous because nobody 1142 00:41:07,830 --> 00:41:10,469 expected us from the German government, 1143 00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:12,599 and I think they had 1144 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,789 to learn a lot of details 1145 00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:16,499 about this initiative. 1146 00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:18,809 And there is a lot of 1147 00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:21,299 money waiting to be 1148 00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:24,389 pumped into the open source communities 1149 00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:25,579 on the other side. 1150 00:41:25,580 --> 00:41:27,689 We make the experience at the open 1151 00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:30,659 source community is not prepared, 1152 00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:32,939 for example, to maintain 1153 00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:35,189 projects in a stable state 1154 00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:36,509 for 50 years. 1155 00:41:36,510 --> 00:41:38,729 We are talking about 1156 00:41:38,730 --> 00:41:40,109 projects which are critical 1157 00:41:40,110 --> 00:41:42,329 infrastructure, which means you have 1158 00:41:42,330 --> 00:41:44,979 20 years of maintenance 1159 00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:47,669 to guarantee, let's say, 1160 00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:49,919 Paisan for 20 years. 1161 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,199 And then normally these things 1162 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,269 are extended to up to 50 1163 00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:56,799 years. So what you believe, 1164 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,919 says Popov three, is 1165 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,049 supported for 50 1166 00:42:01,050 --> 00:42:03,209 years. We have to change a maintenance 1167 00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:05,819 problem on the other side of property. 1168 00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:07,949 Proprietary software vendors 1169 00:42:07,950 --> 00:42:10,079 have the same problem, but you find 1170 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,419 Windows 95 systems and critical 1171 00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:14,579 infrastructure, which have not 1172 00:42:14,580 --> 00:42:16,769 been updated for 1173 00:42:16,770 --> 00:42:19,109 25 years if I compute right. 1174 00:42:19,110 --> 00:42:21,209 So there is a big 1175 00:42:21,210 --> 00:42:23,639 pressure and the politik has recognized 1176 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,519 it. So but we have to organize 1177 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,709 business into 1178 00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:31,469 the communities which are not prepared 1179 00:42:31,470 --> 00:42:33,839 to do business. So my opinion 1180 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,969 is you cannot do 1181 00:42:35,970 --> 00:42:38,159 anything without doing business, 1182 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,299 even in open source. 1183 00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:40,799 And we have to prepare the open source 1184 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,289 community for playing well 1185 00:42:43,290 --> 00:42:45,359 with some money, which is 1186 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,699 available in a way 1187 00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:50,009 that they can take it and maintain 1188 00:42:50,010 --> 00:42:51,010 it in the fairway. 1189 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,080 Yep. 1190 00:42:55,530 --> 00:42:57,609 But I I think 1191 00:42:57,610 --> 00:42:58,610 that's, yeah, that's important. 1192 00:43:01,270 --> 00:43:03,369 OK, so we'll just take the next 1193 00:43:03,370 --> 00:43:05,409 question from the mike on the right. 1194 00:43:05,410 --> 00:43:06,789 Hello. 1195 00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:08,859 Just a quick example of 1196 00:43:08,860 --> 00:43:10,059 a project. 1197 00:43:10,060 --> 00:43:12,159 And OpenStreetMap, I 1198 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,139 think, is a very good example. 1199 00:43:14,140 --> 00:43:16,599 So it's a completely open mouth, 1200 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,669 and I think there's 1201 00:43:18,670 --> 00:43:20,619 a lot of cases where that could be used 1202 00:43:20,620 --> 00:43:22,719 in public administration. 1203 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:24,699 I know all the trial information, maps 1204 00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:26,799 and Dublin harvest, and I 1205 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,989 want to ask, is there a plan to bring 1206 00:43:28,990 --> 00:43:31,449 public money public codes to 1207 00:43:31,450 --> 00:43:33,339 the EU level? 1208 00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:35,799 Because I think it's next year, the 1209 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,109 seven year budget, the Multiannual 1210 00:43:38,110 --> 00:43:39,909 Financial Framework is going to be 1211 00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:43,089 renegotiated, so it might be worthwhile 1212 00:43:43,090 --> 00:43:45,339 just pushing the requirement for a public 1213 00:43:45,340 --> 00:43:46,659 code in there. 1214 00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:49,179 And also, could we look at developing 1215 00:43:49,180 --> 00:43:51,429 pan-European tendering processes 1216 00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:53,319 for open source? 1217 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,399 And could we develop that? 1218 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,219 So say five or six administrations 1219 00:43:57,220 --> 00:43:58,809 from different parts of Europe would work 1220 00:43:58,810 --> 00:44:01,659 together to put together a joint tender 1221 00:44:01,660 --> 00:44:03,969 to say, improve an open source 1222 00:44:03,970 --> 00:44:06,819 project if their needs were similar? 1223 00:44:06,820 --> 00:44:08,769 I don't know. Had someone tell us about 1224 00:44:08,770 --> 00:44:10,839 that, sir, could we maybe develop 1225 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,419 the policy of this term to that? 1226 00:44:13,420 --> 00:44:14,749 It's a policy level. 1227 00:44:16,990 --> 00:44:19,059 And so, I 1228 00:44:19,060 --> 00:44:21,189 mean, we already 1229 00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:23,409 are in contact with the 1230 00:44:23,410 --> 00:44:24,369 European level. 1231 00:44:24,370 --> 00:44:26,709 We are talking with politicians there 1232 00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:29,109 and also contacted 1233 00:44:29,110 --> 00:44:31,569 them with those demands and our 1234 00:44:31,570 --> 00:44:33,279 thinking about how to move forward. 1235 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,379 I mean, you have already the sharing and 1236 00:44:35,380 --> 00:44:37,359 re-use of art by the European Commission, 1237 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,429 where they say 1238 00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:41,169 the sharing and reuse should be the 1239 00:44:41,170 --> 00:44:44,199 default for public administrations. 1240 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,909 So that's something where we are 1241 00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:48,369 encouraging them to go forward 1242 00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:50,469 there and help them how to do this. 1243 00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:53,469 And we also next year we want to 1244 00:44:53,470 --> 00:44:55,599 to reach more members of the 1245 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,909 parliament and think about how to 1246 00:44:57,910 --> 00:45:00,059 how to establish this then after. 1247 00:45:00,060 --> 00:45:02,679 Now most of the politicians 1248 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,539 got a bit. 1249 00:45:04,540 --> 00:45:06,859 Yeah, understood to be told 1250 00:45:06,860 --> 00:45:07,959 institutions work. 1251 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,999 And now you can also start with them 1252 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,649 working on on the content. 1253 00:45:11,650 --> 00:45:13,809 So we plan if we if 1254 00:45:13,810 --> 00:45:16,119 we are able to get funding for our next 1255 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,279 year, we want to make sure that every 1256 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,619 member of Parliament gets this pressure 1257 00:45:20,620 --> 00:45:23,079 that every member of Parliament will be 1258 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,579 when when they are in the right working 1259 00:45:24,580 --> 00:45:26,769 groups, that they will be contacted. 1260 00:45:26,770 --> 00:45:28,899 So that's something where we want to 1261 00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:30,909 do this. And we also I mean, we hope that 1262 00:45:30,910 --> 00:45:33,339 by spreading the news, encouraging 1263 00:45:33,340 --> 00:45:35,319 people to contact their members of the 1264 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,659 European Parliament as well, that 1265 00:45:37,660 --> 00:45:40,589 we will make a bigger impact there. 1266 00:45:40,590 --> 00:45:42,819 The the 1267 00:45:42,820 --> 00:45:44,920 second question was about 1268 00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:47,150 let me 1269 00:45:47,590 --> 00:45:49,269 think tendering at 1270 00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:51,069 the tendering. Yeah, so 1271 00:45:51,070 --> 00:45:53,199 like different countries working together 1272 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,029 on an open source tender. 1273 00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:57,999 So sometimes in 1274 00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,889 something like that works that you will 1275 00:45:59,890 --> 00:46:02,019 bring a few people, a few public 1276 00:46:02,020 --> 00:46:04,029 administrations together and then think 1277 00:46:04,030 --> 00:46:06,429 about that they share the costs and 1278 00:46:06,430 --> 00:46:07,899 procure software. 1279 00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:08,900 But 1280 00:46:10,180 --> 00:46:12,459 in a lot of cases, this also slows 1281 00:46:12,460 --> 00:46:14,019 down the process and makes it very 1282 00:46:14,020 --> 00:46:15,009 difficult. 1283 00:46:15,010 --> 00:46:17,319 And the failure rate is very high. 1284 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,569 So you have and you have seven people 1285 00:46:19,570 --> 00:46:21,939 and they say what they want to have 1286 00:46:21,940 --> 00:46:23,679 for a project, and then they start with 1287 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,449 something and then you say, OK, we have 1288 00:46:25,450 --> 00:46:26,829 to make some compromises. 1289 00:46:26,830 --> 00:46:29,389 It's way more difficult to find 1290 00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:31,479 to to take a decision with seven 1291 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,999 administrations, then 1292 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,979 if you have one or two. 1293 00:46:35,980 --> 00:46:38,259 So that's something 1294 00:46:38,260 --> 00:46:40,959 which I'm a bit hesitant 1295 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,099 to do this as a first step. 1296 00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:43,899 I would at the moment rather encourage 1297 00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:45,789 public administrations for their smaller 1298 00:46:45,790 --> 00:46:48,489 projects to do this before a software and 1299 00:46:48,490 --> 00:46:50,139 get us some experience there and then 1300 00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:51,879 think about enlarging it, doing it, 1301 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,709 pooling it, doing it together with 1302 00:46:53,710 --> 00:46:56,079 others. Because else I see that 1303 00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:59,649 the failure rate will be way higher if 1304 00:46:59,650 --> 00:47:02,109 you if you combine this 1305 00:47:02,110 --> 00:47:03,879 because I mean, from the experience 1306 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,709 public administrations to this process, 1307 00:47:05,710 --> 00:47:08,169 they are often a bit slow 1308 00:47:08,170 --> 00:47:10,089 and the process are complicated. 1309 00:47:10,090 --> 00:47:12,399 And as for software companies, 1310 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,459 public administrations are not always the 1311 00:47:15,460 --> 00:47:17,589 the best customers on this regard. 1312 00:47:17,590 --> 00:47:19,839 And when you then don't have, like one 1313 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,299 public administration as a customer, 1314 00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:23,859 but you have seven. 1315 00:47:23,860 --> 00:47:26,079 That's that's for us something 1316 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,509 where we are very yeah. 1317 00:47:28,510 --> 00:47:29,499 Okay. Yeah. 1318 00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:30,729 Yeah, it's difficult. 1319 00:47:30,730 --> 00:47:33,129 One last thing to the first question that 1320 00:47:33,130 --> 00:47:34,629 that's what I was talking about. 1321 00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:36,879 We also need you to step in and 1322 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,069 get in contact with your 1323 00:47:39,070 --> 00:47:40,959 entities in the European Parliament 1324 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,099 because we can do this. 1325 00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:44,379 Yes, and we are and we are going 1326 00:47:44,380 --> 00:47:46,449 to do this, but we need more 1327 00:47:46,450 --> 00:47:48,519 and we need you because many 1328 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,769 people in many places can 1329 00:47:50,770 --> 00:47:53,079 bring back. Things can do big things. 1330 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,080 Very 1331 00:47:55,810 --> 00:47:57,819 yes. So we have about two minutes left, 1332 00:47:57,820 --> 00:48:00,099 which fits quite nicely since we have one 1333 00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:01,989 more question on the left microphone. 1334 00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:04,089 Yeah, thank you very much for 1335 00:48:04,090 --> 00:48:06,219 the presentation and for the campaign. 1336 00:48:06,220 --> 00:48:08,619 I think it's not only sensible, but 1337 00:48:08,620 --> 00:48:10,989 definitely necessary and 1338 00:48:10,990 --> 00:48:12,789 coming back to your point about what we 1339 00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:15,549 can do. I would like to 1340 00:48:15,550 --> 00:48:17,649 talk to some of the decision makers 1341 00:48:17,650 --> 00:48:20,139 or local politicians, and I think 1342 00:48:20,140 --> 00:48:22,269 the brochure would be 1343 00:48:22,270 --> 00:48:24,429 very helpful at that moment. 1344 00:48:24,430 --> 00:48:26,349 You said that the German translation is 1345 00:48:26,350 --> 00:48:28,029 in progress yet. 1346 00:48:28,030 --> 00:48:30,339 How would I go about receiving an actual 1347 00:48:30,340 --> 00:48:32,559 sort of printed copy to take with me once 1348 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:33,560 that has happened? 1349 00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:36,939 You can go to our website and there you 1350 00:48:36,940 --> 00:48:39,009 find the contribute 1351 00:48:39,010 --> 00:48:41,139 and spread the web page and 1352 00:48:41,140 --> 00:48:42,309 then you can order some. 1353 00:48:42,310 --> 00:48:43,899 You can also go to the public code 1354 00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:46,209 website Pubblicata, the EU and 1355 00:48:46,210 --> 00:48:48,099 you find also spread the word and there 1356 00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:50,169 you can order all the promo material 1357 00:48:50,170 --> 00:48:51,999 and to send it to you for free. 1358 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,959 Thank you very much. 1359 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,489 You're welcome and you can also come by 1360 00:48:54,490 --> 00:48:55,869 at our booth. 1361 00:48:55,870 --> 00:48:57,699 We have some copies at our booth, 1362 00:48:57,700 --> 00:48:59,949 together with some other advertisement 1363 00:48:59,950 --> 00:49:01,749 materials for popping money, puppy code, 1364 00:49:01,750 --> 00:49:04,269 lots of stickers, T-shirts, bags 1365 00:49:04,270 --> 00:49:06,439 and so on. And yeah, 1366 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,559 in general, when you 1367 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,659 sign the open letter, we also try to 1368 00:49:10,660 --> 00:49:13,479 keep you up to date of what is happening 1369 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,919 when you do this and you will also get 1370 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,599 information. Then, for example, a German 1371 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,759 citizen at a German translation of 1372 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,859 the brochure is available. 1373 00:49:20,860 --> 00:49:23,109 Yeah, so those are ways to do there. 1374 00:49:23,110 --> 00:49:26,139 So I think just one last word. 1375 00:49:26,140 --> 00:49:27,579 Use those tools. 1376 00:49:27,580 --> 00:49:29,019 Get creative. 1377 00:49:29,020 --> 00:49:30,999 Heck, you're a public administration 1378 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,249 there and let us know 1379 00:49:33,250 --> 00:49:34,569 what experience you make. 1380 00:49:34,570 --> 00:49:36,639 Give us some feedback so we can readjust 1381 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,739 our our tools so we can think 1382 00:49:38,740 --> 00:49:40,989 about what else is needed for this. 1383 00:49:40,990 --> 00:49:42,279 And don't wait. 1384 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:43,539 Just think about now. 1385 00:49:43,540 --> 00:49:45,729 Whom could I contact my member 1386 00:49:45,730 --> 00:49:48,129 of Parliament, local politician, public 1387 00:49:48,130 --> 00:49:50,709 administration and start doing it? 1388 00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:51,710 Thank you very much.