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If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/588 Thanks! 1 00:00:09,810 --> 00:00:11,889 So welcome to this talk 2 00:00:11,890 --> 00:00:14,039 and we're pleased to welcome Leo 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,499 Dyson and Marcus 4 00:00:16,500 --> 00:00:18,059 Zimmerman. 5 00:00:18,060 --> 00:00:19,060 Hi. 6 00:00:27,050 --> 00:00:29,139 Khelil is a researcher focusing 7 00:00:29,140 --> 00:00:31,149 on the social communities around 8 00:00:31,150 --> 00:00:33,369 constructed languages, and that can 9 00:00:33,370 --> 00:00:35,679 be, for example, language like Esperanto, 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,420 but also a language like Python. 11 00:00:39,050 --> 00:00:41,259 And he's currently working at the Academy 12 00:00:41,260 --> 00:00:43,329 of Fine Arts in Vienna in 13 00:00:43,330 --> 00:00:45,549 a research project on artists 14 00:00:45,550 --> 00:00:47,949 books that simplify that. 15 00:00:47,950 --> 00:00:50,259 He was the keynote speaker at 16 00:00:50,260 --> 00:00:52,589 events like the US Electronica 17 00:00:52,590 --> 00:00:54,909 Transmedia LED Awards 18 00:00:54,910 --> 00:00:55,910 and. 19 00:00:57,130 --> 00:00:59,499 Marcus has studied computer 20 00:00:59,500 --> 00:01:01,569 science in Berlin and 21 00:01:01,570 --> 00:01:03,579 he has studied also architecture in 22 00:01:03,580 --> 00:01:04,749 Vienna, Buenos Aires. 23 00:01:04,750 --> 00:01:07,509 And since then he has participated 24 00:01:07,510 --> 00:01:09,819 in various projects, exhibits 25 00:01:09,820 --> 00:01:11,469 and lectures. 26 00:01:11,470 --> 00:01:14,319 And together they will be diving 27 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:16,539 into the world of art today for 28 00:01:16,540 --> 00:01:18,969 us and introduce the Fluxus 29 00:01:18,970 --> 00:01:20,829 movement and especially compared the 30 00:01:20,830 --> 00:01:23,139 ideals of the Fluxus movement with 31 00:01:23,140 --> 00:01:25,539 tools and methods of online communities. 32 00:01:25,540 --> 00:01:28,569 Today, it's a very interesting topic. 33 00:01:28,570 --> 00:01:30,879 The name of the talk is Fluxus 34 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,199 Cannot Save the World. 35 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,179 What Hacking Has to do with avant garde 36 00:01:34,180 --> 00:01:35,769 art of the 1960s. 37 00:01:36,810 --> 00:01:38,919 So please help me welcome again 38 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,189 round applause for Marcus and Leo. 39 00:02:08,690 --> 00:02:09,919 Future Fluxus. 40 00:02:21,420 --> 00:02:24,119 12 Fluxus ideas, 41 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,369 one, globalism to 42 00:02:26,370 --> 00:02:28,619 unity of art and life, 43 00:02:28,620 --> 00:02:30,869 three and four media for 44 00:02:30,870 --> 00:02:32,979 Experimentalism. 45 00:02:32,980 --> 00:02:35,649 By chance, six 46 00:02:35,650 --> 00:02:37,959 playfulness, seven 47 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,589 simplicity, eight complicatedness, 48 00:02:41,590 --> 00:02:43,899 nine exemplars Chavism, 49 00:02:43,900 --> 00:02:46,059 10 specificity, 50 00:02:46,060 --> 00:02:48,579 11 Presence and time. 51 00:02:48,580 --> 00:02:49,990 12 musicality. 52 00:03:00,150 --> 00:03:01,560 Future Fluxus. 53 00:03:09,290 --> 00:03:11,869 Well, Fluxus ideas 54 00:03:11,870 --> 00:03:14,179 one globalism to 55 00:03:14,180 --> 00:03:16,609 unity of art and life, 56 00:03:16,610 --> 00:03:18,709 three, Intermedia 57 00:03:18,710 --> 00:03:21,209 for Experimentalism. 58 00:03:21,210 --> 00:03:23,759 Five chance, six 59 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,949 playfulness, seven 60 00:03:25,950 --> 00:03:29,819 simplicity, eight complicatedness, 61 00:03:29,820 --> 00:03:32,099 nine exemplar terrorism, 62 00:03:32,100 --> 00:03:34,169 10 specificity, 63 00:03:34,170 --> 00:03:36,959 11 presence in Time. 64 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,370 12 musicality. 65 00:04:04,110 --> 00:04:06,809 So how come welcome, 66 00:04:06,810 --> 00:04:09,719 this talk will be in English 67 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,969 because English is a combination 68 00:04:11,970 --> 00:04:14,549 of behavior in a semiotic system, 69 00:04:14,550 --> 00:04:16,799 the English language that more 70 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,239 people understand than German. 71 00:04:19,550 --> 00:04:21,708 And one of the 72 00:04:21,709 --> 00:04:23,719 12 ideas that you have heard of Fluxus is 73 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:24,720 globalism. 74 00:04:25,420 --> 00:04:27,489 So please always choose 75 00:04:27,490 --> 00:04:29,619 the language that more people understand, 76 00:04:29,620 --> 00:04:31,659 you know, that this might be a trap for a 77 00:04:31,660 --> 00:04:32,660 lot of projects, 78 00:04:34,030 --> 00:04:36,279 but but we should we should acknowledge 79 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:37,280 the fact. 80 00:04:37,970 --> 00:04:40,129 Now, thank you very much for attending 81 00:04:40,130 --> 00:04:41,599 today. 82 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,729 I want to make a 83 00:04:43,730 --> 00:04:45,829 short presentation 84 00:04:45,830 --> 00:04:47,299 of what the presentation should be and 85 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:50,059 that the presentation we 86 00:04:50,060 --> 00:04:52,129 we have been researching Marcus Zimmerman 87 00:04:52,130 --> 00:04:53,839 and me for the last five years. 88 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,249 And we sort of apologize 89 00:04:58,250 --> 00:05:00,859 about the future in Fluxus, 90 00:05:00,860 --> 00:05:02,959 it was really for an application 91 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,269 in Vienna that we had to do it, 92 00:05:05,270 --> 00:05:07,459 but that that is a little 93 00:05:07,460 --> 00:05:09,379 history, our history, but which is quite 94 00:05:09,380 --> 00:05:10,399 interesting. 95 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,649 But we were in a in an interesting, 96 00:05:12,650 --> 00:05:15,289 real experimental project 97 00:05:15,290 --> 00:05:17,309 with the city administration. 98 00:05:17,310 --> 00:05:20,329 They invited us to renew 99 00:05:20,330 --> 00:05:22,040 their ways of dealing with this. 100 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,279 And and when we got 101 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:27,469 resistance, we tried to 102 00:05:27,470 --> 00:05:28,789 resist the resistance. 103 00:05:28,790 --> 00:05:29,809 And this is the future. 104 00:05:29,810 --> 00:05:31,939 And Fluxus, which made 105 00:05:31,940 --> 00:05:32,940 this possible. 106 00:05:35,060 --> 00:05:36,199 How did this come? 107 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,209 Yes, I have been teaching in the Academy 108 00:05:38,210 --> 00:05:40,429 of Fine Arts as 109 00:05:40,430 --> 00:05:42,439 a media philosopher. 110 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,269 So imagine you have students of 111 00:05:44,270 --> 00:05:46,849 restoration of architecture, 112 00:05:46,850 --> 00:05:48,199 some people from the philosophy 113 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,269 department of the university. 114 00:05:50,270 --> 00:05:51,979 You have painters, you have people who 115 00:05:51,980 --> 00:05:53,389 print. 116 00:05:53,390 --> 00:05:56,349 So you have to all academic arts. 117 00:05:56,350 --> 00:05:58,450 And I tried to invite them 118 00:05:59,470 --> 00:06:01,689 to understand before it happens 119 00:06:01,690 --> 00:06:03,999 what will come in their future from 120 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,170 people who program. 121 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:09,309 Is it possible at all to do art 122 00:06:09,310 --> 00:06:10,310 in programing? 123 00:06:11,460 --> 00:06:13,649 Is it possible at all to do art 124 00:06:13,650 --> 00:06:14,650 in mathematics? 125 00:06:17,330 --> 00:06:20,329 So these these things we talked about 126 00:06:20,330 --> 00:06:22,729 and so we talked also 127 00:06:22,730 --> 00:06:25,429 about networked communities 128 00:06:25,430 --> 00:06:27,529 and the arts of the 60s 129 00:06:27,530 --> 00:06:28,850 and 70s especially, 130 00:06:29,870 --> 00:06:31,669 so there was a situation, as I could see, 131 00:06:31,670 --> 00:06:33,409 that there was art and language and we 132 00:06:33,410 --> 00:06:34,410 will. 133 00:06:35,340 --> 00:06:37,439 Come to that and 134 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,599 the aim is then before we 135 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,789 come to Fluxus and then the 136 00:06:41,790 --> 00:06:44,149 price question, is Fluxus still alive? 137 00:06:46,010 --> 00:06:48,319 Can an art movement be alive without 138 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,539 people, no, art 139 00:06:50,540 --> 00:06:51,829 is a form of tradition. 140 00:06:53,450 --> 00:06:55,969 If you don't decide 141 00:06:55,970 --> 00:06:58,369 to be in the tradition, 142 00:06:58,370 --> 00:07:00,529 you won't be able to deliver 143 00:07:00,530 --> 00:07:02,749 and transfer, it has 144 00:07:02,750 --> 00:07:04,879 to be a French 145 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,399 media theoretician calls 146 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,559 one very important thing 147 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,199 that we can decide to do is to transfer 148 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,669 a tradition. 149 00:07:13,670 --> 00:07:14,989 Of course, this is an avant garde 150 00:07:14,990 --> 00:07:17,479 tradition. This is a transition of 151 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,449 tongue in cheek, of being irreverent 152 00:07:20,450 --> 00:07:23,180 to institutions, to museums, etc.. 153 00:07:24,530 --> 00:07:27,469 So in a way, what we hear today is 154 00:07:27,470 --> 00:07:29,329 the 68 ideas. 155 00:07:29,330 --> 00:07:30,440 Where have they gone? 156 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,069 Do we have to now 157 00:07:34,070 --> 00:07:36,169 as a culture, we are in deep 158 00:07:36,170 --> 00:07:38,089 doo doo, as Spielberg would say 159 00:07:39,140 --> 00:07:40,639 in our culture at the moment. 160 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,559 I think if you have been listening to 161 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,919 some of the other talks, 162 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,989 you will know that we have to be quite 163 00:07:47,990 --> 00:07:50,059 inventive, not only as individuals, but 164 00:07:50,060 --> 00:07:51,060 as groups. 165 00:07:52,310 --> 00:07:54,379 Maybe we have to be more inventive to 166 00:07:54,380 --> 00:07:56,779 clarify and polarize design 167 00:07:56,780 --> 00:07:59,179 goals for specific technical 168 00:07:59,180 --> 00:08:01,399 parts, but also for how 169 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:02,510 do museums, 170 00:08:03,590 --> 00:08:05,749 how can they work together to save 171 00:08:05,750 --> 00:08:07,219 the privacy? 172 00:08:07,220 --> 00:08:08,619 That's a very interesting question, 173 00:08:08,620 --> 00:08:09,620 though. 174 00:08:09,950 --> 00:08:12,139 Because we pay a lot of tax money not 175 00:08:12,140 --> 00:08:14,089 only to the secret services, but only to 176 00:08:14,090 --> 00:08:16,249 the armed services of our 177 00:08:17,300 --> 00:08:18,300 societies. 178 00:08:19,220 --> 00:08:21,410 Now, when I was teaching the students, 179 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,099 I could see that there was one 180 00:08:25,100 --> 00:08:27,409 movement which calls itself the 181 00:08:27,410 --> 00:08:28,979 movement. 182 00:08:28,980 --> 00:08:30,659 I could see that they call themselves 183 00:08:30,660 --> 00:08:33,029 Fluxus and 184 00:08:33,030 --> 00:08:35,229 somebody says, look, this is this, and 185 00:08:35,230 --> 00:08:37,259 we will hear some of these definitions 186 00:08:37,260 --> 00:08:39,359 and others say the special thing about 187 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,729 Fluxus is that it is undefinable. 188 00:08:41,730 --> 00:08:44,369 OK, so they frustrate 189 00:08:44,370 --> 00:08:45,479 you in the beginning. If you're a 190 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:46,799 scientist, you want to have clear 191 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,239 concepts and you want to say one, two, 192 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,240 three. 193 00:08:50,610 --> 00:08:52,679 But this could be a bit the same 194 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:54,689 reason why it's hard to write a history 195 00:08:54,690 --> 00:08:56,909 of Fluxus, but actually because it's 50 196 00:08:56,910 --> 00:08:59,099 years old or over 50 years, 197 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:01,439 it is not at all impossible. 198 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,539 Right. It's it's it's behind 199 00:09:03,540 --> 00:09:05,820 us. But if you try to write 200 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,969 about, for instance, the college computer 201 00:09:08,970 --> 00:09:12,479 club 95 to 2000 a history, 202 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,369 it's not so easy to do it. 203 00:09:14,370 --> 00:09:16,559 Why? Because the computer club is a very 204 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:18,869 horizontal presence 205 00:09:18,870 --> 00:09:20,969 in time environment, a 206 00:09:20,970 --> 00:09:21,970 mailing list. 207 00:09:22,950 --> 00:09:23,950 Headlocks. 208 00:09:25,340 --> 00:09:28,089 Announcements, flame wars. 209 00:09:28,090 --> 00:09:30,199 Yeah, so we have to reread 210 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,779 them and then nice enough 211 00:09:32,780 --> 00:09:34,849 people from the 95 to 2000 212 00:09:34,850 --> 00:09:37,399 from the computer would still be living. 213 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,079 So we can work with four people for two 214 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,299 months and then we send them the draft 215 00:09:41,300 --> 00:09:42,979 so they can see because they are 216 00:09:42,980 --> 00:09:45,319 empirically time witnesses 217 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,659 of the presence in time, which is now 20 218 00:09:47,660 --> 00:09:48,660 years ago. 219 00:09:49,490 --> 00:09:51,079 Now, this is what Michael said, he could 220 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,659 also see that 221 00:09:53,660 --> 00:09:55,819 they are still living Fluxus people. 222 00:09:55,820 --> 00:09:58,729 Yeah. So when we started in 2010, 223 00:09:58,730 --> 00:10:00,409 we asked some friends whether they have 224 00:10:00,410 --> 00:10:02,569 friends who know whether those people 225 00:10:02,570 --> 00:10:05,599 are still living because in 62 it started 226 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,549 and yes, they are and you will see them, 227 00:10:07,550 --> 00:10:08,989 which is great. 228 00:10:08,990 --> 00:10:11,239 And so now this 229 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,429 is from from 230 00:10:13,430 --> 00:10:15,139 the web, of course. 231 00:10:15,140 --> 00:10:17,509 And some people say some of the Fluxus 232 00:10:17,510 --> 00:10:19,840 says we invented the web, actually. 233 00:10:20,900 --> 00:10:23,269 So but they are not very loud 234 00:10:23,270 --> 00:10:25,609 and this. But maybe they're correct. 235 00:10:25,610 --> 00:10:27,019 Maybe they're correct. 236 00:10:27,020 --> 00:10:29,239 But of course, the question is, do did 237 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,649 they win the technicalities? 238 00:10:30,650 --> 00:10:32,979 No, no. Most of that was concern 239 00:10:32,980 --> 00:10:36,439 Darbar in the years before in America. 240 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:37,729 So what did they mean? 241 00:10:37,730 --> 00:10:39,679 We invented the web. 242 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:41,749 I think they they 243 00:10:41,750 --> 00:10:43,849 invented methods to 244 00:10:43,850 --> 00:10:46,490 do things in distributed collaboration. 245 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,919 Which is which is quite 246 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,139 a fine tuning to work 247 00:10:53,140 --> 00:10:55,209 with each other over time, but 248 00:10:55,210 --> 00:10:57,399 I think this is something which 249 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,979 makes the quality and Fluxus 250 00:10:59,980 --> 00:11:02,199 and that means that they are not such a 251 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,389 gated community. 252 00:11:04,870 --> 00:11:05,870 Yeah, 253 00:11:07,090 --> 00:11:09,399 and if you see here, it's also very 254 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,799 interesting, the normal one, two, three, 255 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,209 that all the philosophers do. 256 00:11:13,210 --> 00:11:14,619 Yeah, there's only one world. 257 00:11:14,620 --> 00:11:16,749 No, the world is divided or 258 00:11:16,750 --> 00:11:19,059 you go more on the dialectical Hegelian 259 00:11:19,060 --> 00:11:20,799 to say, nah, there's always the third 260 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,469 option lurking in the background. 261 00:11:23,470 --> 00:11:25,749 And here we 262 00:11:25,750 --> 00:11:27,609 start with the one, the Fluxus that most 263 00:11:27,610 --> 00:11:29,589 art collectors and art historians care 264 00:11:29,590 --> 00:11:30,639 about at this time. 265 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,859 We're talking about around the millennium 266 00:11:32,860 --> 00:11:35,109 here 2000, 15 years ago. 267 00:11:35,110 --> 00:11:37,269 So Fluxus with Mattsson us, we will 268 00:11:37,270 --> 00:11:38,709 see of him also. 269 00:11:38,710 --> 00:11:39,880 Matsuno is a. 270 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:43,199 Impresario, they call him, he's 271 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,419 not the leader. He wasn't the center, 272 00:11:45,420 --> 00:11:46,620 but he had this very 273 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:49,979 they called him a detail man. 274 00:11:49,980 --> 00:11:52,169 Yeah, he was very, very sure 275 00:11:52,170 --> 00:11:54,029 about what Fluxus values should be and 276 00:11:54,030 --> 00:11:55,799 which artists should be on it. 277 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,229 And if some artists went ideologically 278 00:11:58,230 --> 00:12:00,479 or with a funny work or in a too big 279 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,549 institution with too money, he would 280 00:12:02,550 --> 00:12:05,459 say, I have 100 281 00:12:05,460 --> 00:12:07,709 name list of Fluxus in New York 282 00:12:07,710 --> 00:12:10,229 and I'm John Pike is out now, 283 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:12,479 but I have some other people I can put 284 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,669 in. So yeah, 285 00:12:14,670 --> 00:12:16,169 this is actually a very important 286 00:12:16,170 --> 00:12:18,929 anecdote in the Fluxus history that 287 00:12:18,930 --> 00:12:21,449 John Pike and others visited us 288 00:12:21,450 --> 00:12:23,549 on the deathbed to say it's OK 289 00:12:23,550 --> 00:12:24,550 again. 290 00:12:26,580 --> 00:12:27,870 Also in the. 291 00:12:29,790 --> 00:12:32,039 So what we're talking about here is oral 292 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:32,939 culture. 293 00:12:32,940 --> 00:12:34,679 I would claim that the house computer 294 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:36,449 club in a lot of aspects of the 295 00:12:36,450 --> 00:12:38,700 communication is an oral culture. 296 00:12:40,910 --> 00:12:43,939 In the medium of jets and 297 00:12:43,940 --> 00:12:46,100 message boards and mailing lists. 298 00:12:49,130 --> 00:12:51,349 And our coaches are always 299 00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:53,269 normally you do interviews and then they 300 00:12:53,270 --> 00:12:55,399 come up with stories and say X went to 301 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,289 that and then they had to struggle and 302 00:12:57,290 --> 00:12:58,879 then they came on. 303 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,590 And now, yes, this was it. 304 00:13:01,820 --> 00:13:03,889 So this is how myths and legends 305 00:13:03,890 --> 00:13:05,059 are also building. 306 00:13:05,060 --> 00:13:07,489 And that is quite good for a community. 307 00:13:07,490 --> 00:13:10,039 But it can you know, the the 308 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,929 the helpful ingredient can become a 309 00:13:11,930 --> 00:13:13,309 poison that can be too little or too 310 00:13:13,310 --> 00:13:14,310 much. 311 00:13:14,690 --> 00:13:16,789 So also, there has to be a collective 312 00:13:16,790 --> 00:13:18,859 intelligence to make a 313 00:13:18,860 --> 00:13:22,009 very improbable status 314 00:13:22,010 --> 00:13:24,349 of a large distributed community 315 00:13:24,350 --> 00:13:26,599 of many intelligence, as many people 316 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,939 living in very different countries, 317 00:13:28,940 --> 00:13:31,369 which is actually what is evolving 318 00:13:31,370 --> 00:13:32,370 now. 319 00:13:33,470 --> 00:13:35,749 And maybe it's it's there 320 00:13:35,750 --> 00:13:37,429 is no way for anybody 321 00:13:38,690 --> 00:13:41,359 to hinder and to have an obstacle 322 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,309 in front of the fact that we will become 323 00:13:43,310 --> 00:13:44,310 a global culture. 324 00:13:45,420 --> 00:13:47,489 But maybe we become a totally 325 00:13:47,490 --> 00:13:49,709 surveilled global culture. 326 00:13:49,710 --> 00:13:51,509 We can go everywhere, but nothing is 327 00:13:51,510 --> 00:13:53,939 different in the sense of somebody 328 00:13:53,940 --> 00:13:56,159 else has more memory of me than my best 329 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,160 friends. 330 00:13:57,980 --> 00:14:00,109 All right, that's not a good start for 331 00:14:00,110 --> 00:14:02,389 freedom, but 332 00:14:02,390 --> 00:14:04,849 of course, we are here and we we applied 333 00:14:04,850 --> 00:14:07,999 for a talk to 334 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,739 to start something rather. 335 00:14:09,740 --> 00:14:11,839 Of course, we want to 336 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,299 convey you some information about 337 00:14:14,300 --> 00:14:16,609 the deep history of what 338 00:14:16,610 --> 00:14:18,259 is Fluxus today. 339 00:14:18,260 --> 00:14:20,059 It started really in the First World War, 340 00:14:21,380 --> 00:14:22,519 maybe even earlier. 341 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,619 But in the First World War, there's a 342 00:14:24,620 --> 00:14:26,329 cluster of people coming together in the 343 00:14:26,330 --> 00:14:27,829 daytime movement. 344 00:14:27,830 --> 00:14:29,449 And then the question is whether it's 345 00:14:29,450 --> 00:14:30,450 still living. 346 00:14:32,930 --> 00:14:35,029 And and now you can make I could 347 00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:37,129 say, please become a known artist 348 00:14:37,130 --> 00:14:39,199 of the Fluxus tradition 349 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,719 alive, come to our club. 350 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,329 But we would know where is our club, 351 00:14:44,330 --> 00:14:45,949 right. It's a bit like the Pirate Bay. 352 00:14:45,950 --> 00:14:48,039 People are 353 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,040 the there on 354 00:14:50,270 --> 00:14:52,609 the the lawyers of 355 00:14:52,610 --> 00:14:55,009 the NPA in America, the 356 00:14:55,010 --> 00:14:56,419 the people who said, are you sharing? 357 00:14:56,420 --> 00:14:57,500 You're stealing our films. 358 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,289 And they thought that the pirate Birand, 359 00:15:00,290 --> 00:15:02,419 who had the idea for The Pirate Bay 360 00:15:02,420 --> 00:15:05,179 Torrent website, a website for sharing 361 00:15:05,180 --> 00:15:07,429 stuff, sharing films, 362 00:15:07,430 --> 00:15:09,559 books, everything, they thought 363 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,989 there would be a like anarchist 364 00:15:11,990 --> 00:15:14,299 army of 20 people, you know, 365 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:16,819 having a big room with guns 366 00:15:16,820 --> 00:15:18,889 and want to want to free the copying 367 00:15:18,890 --> 00:15:19,969 of everything. 368 00:15:19,970 --> 00:15:21,589 But actually, it was just free for 369 00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:23,989 students in two or three towns, 370 00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:26,449 you know, having for the gentleman or 371 00:15:26,450 --> 00:15:27,979 but they had an idea. 372 00:15:27,980 --> 00:15:30,559 And the idea was to be resilient. 373 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,749 The idea was to have the Pirate Bay 374 00:15:32,750 --> 00:15:35,179 online, whatever they do, because 375 00:15:35,180 --> 00:15:36,379 of the distributed technical 376 00:15:36,380 --> 00:15:37,819 infrastructure and the many friends you 377 00:15:37,820 --> 00:15:38,820 have on the world. 378 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,579 Which is still true, by the way, Pirate 379 00:15:41,580 --> 00:15:42,660 Bay is still reachable, 380 00:15:43,830 --> 00:15:46,049 but, you know, two of the people 381 00:15:46,050 --> 00:15:48,749 who were then the technical inventors 382 00:15:48,750 --> 00:15:50,999 were in jail and one is far 383 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,159 away and doesn't come back 384 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,799 to Sweden. So you pay a price also. 385 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,569 So the fluxes that most art collectors, 386 00:15:57,570 --> 00:15:59,879 can you please go to the first 387 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:00,880 again? 388 00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:04,739 So 80s till now. 389 00:16:04,740 --> 00:16:06,600 He says that in 2000 around 390 00:16:07,620 --> 00:16:09,979 Fluxus with Younus Fluxes after 391 00:16:09,980 --> 00:16:12,719 Matsunami, New Directions and Fluxus. 392 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,119 So this is a Fluxus making this 393 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,949 Fluxus activities and events created by a 394 00:16:16,950 --> 00:16:18,989 new generation of people drawn to Fluxus, 395 00:16:18,990 --> 00:16:20,429 largely ignored at this time by 396 00:16:20,430 --> 00:16:22,679 collectors and historians. 397 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,359 So that's also important. 398 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,399 You have to understand that there are 399 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,559 incremental phases where there 400 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,929 is a fruitful encounter of old and new 401 00:16:30,930 --> 00:16:32,399 without anybody noticing. 402 00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:35,169 Which I think happens to a lot of 403 00:16:35,170 --> 00:16:37,239 communities here at the computer 404 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:38,240 club. 405 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,049 Yeah, when when old veterans who invented 406 00:16:41,050 --> 00:16:43,359 the spreadsheets, you know, come to 407 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,549 come here and you you were really the 408 00:16:45,550 --> 00:16:47,799 first human being to think of this, 409 00:16:48,820 --> 00:16:51,069 which is a great anthropological feeling. 410 00:16:51,070 --> 00:16:53,229 Yeah. That that actually we if 411 00:16:53,230 --> 00:16:55,539 we work together or if we if we meet 412 00:16:55,540 --> 00:16:58,029 in an interesting way, which the whole 413 00:16:58,030 --> 00:17:00,279 Congress I think is and 414 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,799 it has very strict rules 415 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,929 and developed rules to make 416 00:17:04,930 --> 00:17:07,179 13000 people possible. 417 00:17:07,180 --> 00:17:08,180 Yeah. 418 00:17:08,950 --> 00:17:10,659 So that's the sort of community social 419 00:17:10,660 --> 00:17:13,449 design, what is 420 00:17:13,450 --> 00:17:15,368 this? So we want to be open so we can't 421 00:17:15,369 --> 00:17:17,828 allow people who push closeness 422 00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:19,180 and say this is my freedom. 423 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:22,969 So all these dialectics of the 424 00:17:22,970 --> 00:17:25,219 values that you convey and how 425 00:17:25,220 --> 00:17:26,779 that really works in real time, 426 00:17:28,130 --> 00:17:30,169 and now they go back and say unexplored 427 00:17:30,170 --> 00:17:32,389 territory. That is our past. 428 00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:34,179 Our developmental past. 429 00:17:34,180 --> 00:17:35,469 Right. 430 00:17:35,470 --> 00:17:37,569 So this looks as broadly focused on human 431 00:17:37,570 --> 00:17:39,479 creativity, culture and consciousness as 432 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,559 that does not rely on the 433 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,229 issues of or agendas 434 00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:46,359 or history of art for its meaning and 435 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:48,150 success. That's very important. 436 00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:51,519 Fluxus defines itself as 437 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,619 being fed by outside of art. 438 00:17:55,330 --> 00:17:57,369 And this is one of the 12 Fluxus ideas, 439 00:17:57,370 --> 00:17:58,779 which is only the beginning. 440 00:17:58,780 --> 00:18:00,639 Michael Zimmerman has done this this 441 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,729 trailer for our participation 442 00:18:03,730 --> 00:18:05,349 in the Dawna Festival. 443 00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:06,759 Now, I have some questions for you. 444 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,309 Somebody of, you know, the dawn of 445 00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:10,329 festival crimps how many 446 00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:12,849 super. So that's 447 00:18:13,870 --> 00:18:15,609 somehow like a network performance 448 00:18:15,610 --> 00:18:16,659 festival. 449 00:18:16,660 --> 00:18:19,059 We were performing next to Laurie 450 00:18:19,060 --> 00:18:21,249 Anderson, maybe you know her 451 00:18:21,250 --> 00:18:23,529 from the 60s, 70s and and 452 00:18:23,530 --> 00:18:25,659 James Blake, who was, you 453 00:18:25,660 --> 00:18:27,729 know, limits to your love, 454 00:18:27,730 --> 00:18:28,730 this guy. 455 00:18:29,740 --> 00:18:31,899 But we were there to to do conceptual 456 00:18:31,900 --> 00:18:34,329 interventions because, as you will see, 457 00:18:34,330 --> 00:18:36,639 Fluxus has musical 458 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,859 values conceptualized for 459 00:18:38,860 --> 00:18:40,150 social encounters. 460 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:48,609 Fluxus cannot save the world 461 00:18:48,610 --> 00:18:50,829 is by itself, by a Fluxus, 462 00:18:50,830 --> 00:18:53,439 its 2002, and 463 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,629 I just want to 464 00:18:55,630 --> 00:18:57,819 want to let you IA's ring 465 00:18:57,820 --> 00:19:00,969 a bit Benwood here, French foxiest 466 00:19:00,970 --> 00:19:03,819 cause a little exhibition in 467 00:19:03,820 --> 00:19:05,559 in Italy in 2002. 468 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,479 Fluxus cannot change the world. 469 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,299 What do you think were the talk before, 470 00:19:10,300 --> 00:19:12,369 whether young people who sat at 471 00:19:12,370 --> 00:19:14,799 Fluxus and we should start annotator 472 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,069 or was he himself? 473 00:19:17,070 --> 00:19:19,109 You know, just frustrated by all these 474 00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:22,049 years of very, very abstract 475 00:19:22,050 --> 00:19:25,079 talking and whatever. 476 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,579 I don't know, but you could ask him, 477 00:19:26,580 --> 00:19:28,949 actually, Ben, what he 478 00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:31,679 I think has the most creative website 479 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,899 of a nearly 80 year old 480 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:34,900 in the world. 481 00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:38,059 Because we got to know him, his grandson 482 00:19:38,060 --> 00:19:40,009 is doing all the technicalities, and if 483 00:19:40,010 --> 00:19:41,329 people come, they want to make interviews 484 00:19:41,330 --> 00:19:42,679 and so they work together. 485 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,139 Collaboration, cooperation 486 00:19:45,140 --> 00:19:47,329 is is a big 487 00:19:47,330 --> 00:19:49,099 ideal influxes. 488 00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:50,100 So please. 489 00:19:53,570 --> 00:19:54,590 We now have. 490 00:19:56,500 --> 00:19:58,539 We start in the 19th century. 491 00:20:00,310 --> 00:20:02,469 OK, I'll ask you again, who knows Brian 492 00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:03,470 Eno? 493 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,119 Right, who knows what 494 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:09,279 exactly would have to 495 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,299 do with Brian Eno. 496 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,619 OK, so that's like like two or 497 00:20:14,620 --> 00:20:15,620 three percent 498 00:20:16,750 --> 00:20:17,949 of those who know, you know, 499 00:20:19,780 --> 00:20:22,299 who knows that Brian Eno was visiting 500 00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:24,660 Julian Assange some weeks ago. 501 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,489 Just as many as as, you know, 502 00:20:28,490 --> 00:20:31,429 that he had to do with subtheme, 503 00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:34,549 so Brian Eno was was a student 504 00:20:34,550 --> 00:20:36,859 at one of our great 505 00:20:36,860 --> 00:20:39,819 teachers of media at Royal Ascot. 506 00:20:39,820 --> 00:20:42,369 And Brian Eno is known for ambient 507 00:20:42,370 --> 00:20:44,679 music, music that is not 508 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,019 there to tell you something, 509 00:20:47,020 --> 00:20:48,349 in a way. 510 00:20:48,350 --> 00:20:50,539 It's an interior design and 511 00:20:50,540 --> 00:20:52,969 it can be great music because 512 00:20:52,970 --> 00:20:55,339 Gray in the outside makes your 513 00:20:55,340 --> 00:20:57,709 own thoughts 514 00:20:57,710 --> 00:20:59,079 flow. 515 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,149 Your feelings are different 516 00:21:01,150 --> 00:21:03,399 and something can be expressed coming 517 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:04,400 to the outside. 518 00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:07,239 Depending on your articulation, Eric 519 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,489 Satie was one of the first 520 00:21:09,490 --> 00:21:12,039 to write Modula ways, 521 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,019 not the first actually people like 522 00:21:14,020 --> 00:21:15,579 Frescobaldi in the music history. 523 00:21:15,580 --> 00:21:18,009 And so they had to look from the organ, 524 00:21:18,010 --> 00:21:19,959 whether still people awake waiting for 525 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,559 the Christian thing about the eating. 526 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,599 Yeah. 527 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,889 So a very long row. 528 00:21:23,890 --> 00:21:25,959 And so so he he he flipped the 529 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,169 page and he had modularized 530 00:21:29,170 --> 00:21:30,549 kautz. 531 00:21:30,550 --> 00:21:31,539 Yeah. 532 00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:33,759 So so you can make endless pieces 533 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,919 of music because they 534 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,169 said you can, you can go this way 535 00:21:38,170 --> 00:21:39,759 from this court or this way from this 536 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,979 court and then you can go circles which 537 00:21:41,980 --> 00:21:45,129 of course mediocracy love Asaka 538 00:21:45,130 --> 00:21:47,229 Aluf Reverb 539 00:21:47,230 --> 00:21:48,230 and delay. 540 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,439 Wow. 541 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:51,640 Let's do something with it. 542 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,419 So Sarti and 543 00:21:55,420 --> 00:21:57,699 we have three guests here 544 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:00,489 because we will now move 545 00:22:00,490 --> 00:22:03,609 step by step from the 1910s 546 00:22:03,610 --> 00:22:05,229 to the 1980s. 547 00:22:05,230 --> 00:22:07,359 And then I invite you to fall into the 548 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:08,360 gap with me, 549 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,099 because I believe that from 78 550 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:14,289 to 91, 551 00:22:14,290 --> 00:22:16,929 one or two years, more or less, 552 00:22:16,930 --> 00:22:18,669 depending on what happens, because 553 00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:21,039 history doesn't happen in clear years. 554 00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:24,659 But but it also doesn't happen in 555 00:22:24,660 --> 00:22:26,789 one five years or the other. 556 00:22:26,790 --> 00:22:28,109 It's it's not important. 557 00:22:28,110 --> 00:22:29,189 No, no. 558 00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:30,959 Mostly two or three or five years. 559 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,220 They're the real thing happens. 560 00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:37,389 This also is a human history 561 00:22:37,390 --> 00:22:39,669 because people might be influenced by 562 00:22:39,670 --> 00:22:41,469 a deer, but only two years later they 563 00:22:41,470 --> 00:22:43,689 actually they 564 00:22:43,690 --> 00:22:45,819 conceptualize how they can make 565 00:22:45,820 --> 00:22:48,339 interesting stuff with it or 566 00:22:48,340 --> 00:22:50,859 they they don't have fear 567 00:22:50,860 --> 00:22:51,999 anymore. 568 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,049 They have the courage. 569 00:22:53,050 --> 00:22:54,459 Very easy to say. 570 00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:56,439 Cool, I'll do this. 571 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,959 Have you ever thought when Julian 572 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,119 Assange, for instance, decided 573 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:02,259 to I'm doing this? 574 00:23:02,260 --> 00:23:04,389 You know, I think especially 575 00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:05,799 in the computer club, there are hundreds 576 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,019 of people that wonder 577 00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:10,269 what happened in this guy. 578 00:23:10,270 --> 00:23:11,259 Yeah. 579 00:23:11,260 --> 00:23:12,249 To do this. 580 00:23:12,250 --> 00:23:14,499 And now I want you to wonder a second 581 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:16,270 time why Brian Eno visits him. 582 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,209 Because Brian Eno is very, very 583 00:23:21,210 --> 00:23:23,789 sensitive to good social 584 00:23:23,790 --> 00:23:25,049 interior design. 585 00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:29,019 And and one of the most important 586 00:23:29,020 --> 00:23:30,969 people to show us the dirt. 587 00:23:32,290 --> 00:23:34,539 And to show us the third party members 588 00:23:34,540 --> 00:23:36,639 that are watching when we want to get 589 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,769 to know each other and actually 590 00:23:38,770 --> 00:23:41,139 without, I would say 591 00:23:41,140 --> 00:23:43,149 that 90 percent of what's happening right 592 00:23:43,150 --> 00:23:45,729 now is without big reason. 593 00:23:48,270 --> 00:23:50,669 We are it's irrationality 594 00:23:50,670 --> 00:23:52,949 of the interplay of institutions 595 00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:54,720 and of some powers. 596 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,149 That are bringing us in big 597 00:23:58,150 --> 00:23:59,710 trouble, but 598 00:24:00,910 --> 00:24:03,219 so safety is something where 599 00:24:03,220 --> 00:24:05,440 Digital Karaj or Foubert sort 600 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,020 of, you know, digital cameras. 601 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,729 Yes. 602 00:24:10,730 --> 00:24:12,789 OK, so so we have 603 00:24:12,790 --> 00:24:14,169 here Pantaloon. 604 00:24:14,170 --> 00:24:16,449 And I think he is he is one of my first 605 00:24:16,450 --> 00:24:18,579 people of the MTA, I call 606 00:24:18,580 --> 00:24:20,709 it the 80s is where 607 00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:23,259 I don't know what happened to distributed 608 00:24:23,260 --> 00:24:24,260 art purchases. 609 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,129 Yeah, where are they now in the advert, 610 00:24:27,130 --> 00:24:29,289 we say it was the time of keeping Bagger 611 00:24:29,290 --> 00:24:32,059 and Pich, you know. 612 00:24:32,060 --> 00:24:33,800 Got older and. 613 00:24:36,490 --> 00:24:38,559 Yes, but we 614 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,719 have him here, we also have somebody from 615 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,179 the 90s when something 616 00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:45,489 like the Fluxus movement 617 00:24:45,490 --> 00:24:47,949 can reboot on HTML, 618 00:24:47,950 --> 00:24:49,749 maybe on Beebs. 619 00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:52,059 Yeah, what they call 620 00:24:52,060 --> 00:24:54,189 and have practice as Maillot in 621 00:24:54,190 --> 00:24:56,349 the 70s is very 622 00:24:56,350 --> 00:24:58,449 easy to reboot in the 90s 623 00:24:58,450 --> 00:25:01,089 with a new distributed structures 624 00:25:01,090 --> 00:25:02,799 that you not only can say I want to be a 625 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,019 node and they a dance for us, 626 00:25:05,020 --> 00:25:06,849 then you get the note. 627 00:25:06,850 --> 00:25:08,109 Yeah, that no. 628 00:25:08,110 --> 00:25:10,299 That said, don't dance for us. 629 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,729 Here is the software to make your note 630 00:25:12,730 --> 00:25:14,709 and this note, you can make your own 631 00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:16,869 mushrooming horizontally 632 00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:19,839 in your town in your real space. 633 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:20,949 Wow. 634 00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:23,169 So presence in time, curated 635 00:25:23,170 --> 00:25:24,170 by yourself. 636 00:25:26,980 --> 00:25:29,319 Bulletin board systems and then HTML, 637 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,940 et cetera. So let's go on. 638 00:25:35,460 --> 00:25:37,259 What we see here happened through the 639 00:25:37,260 --> 00:25:38,450 First World War, 640 00:25:40,350 --> 00:25:42,539 people who were very anti-war 641 00:25:42,540 --> 00:25:43,540 and they were. 642 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,750 Vehemently anti-war. 643 00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:49,619 And one of them, there's a group of 644 00:25:49,620 --> 00:25:52,049 people and also what what is 645 00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:54,929 is now parallel or analogous 646 00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:57,359 to the Fluxus 50, 60, 647 00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:59,609 70 years later, is that the people 648 00:25:59,610 --> 00:26:01,380 come from quite different disciplines. 649 00:26:02,940 --> 00:26:05,049 If you're an opera, you have to know. 650 00:26:05,050 --> 00:26:07,109 Singing You have to know stage design, 651 00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:09,059 you have to know music. 652 00:26:09,060 --> 00:26:11,429 Yeah. So so it's in itself 653 00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:12,430 a art form. 654 00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:16,449 So a lot of people came from theater, 655 00:26:16,450 --> 00:26:19,449 but also they studied jurisdiction, 656 00:26:19,450 --> 00:26:21,609 the law, and here we 657 00:26:21,610 --> 00:26:24,009 have Huckerby and this is an important 658 00:26:24,010 --> 00:26:26,199 moment. In the beginning of the Cabaret 659 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,029 Voltaire, he was calling himself the 660 00:26:28,030 --> 00:26:29,030 Magic Bishop. 661 00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:31,779 Yeah. And he had to be actually two 662 00:26:31,780 --> 00:26:34,059 people had to carry 663 00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:36,339 him into into the room at 664 00:26:36,340 --> 00:26:37,839 Cabaret Voltaire. 665 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,779 And he was he was proclaiming 666 00:26:40,780 --> 00:26:42,879 what a new religion, the death of 667 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,379 God again. 668 00:26:44,380 --> 00:26:45,739 The death of God. 669 00:26:45,740 --> 00:26:47,890 Uh, the BBC. 670 00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:51,789 No, he was he was practicing 671 00:26:51,790 --> 00:26:53,619 concrete poetry. 672 00:26:53,620 --> 00:26:55,769 He was dealing with what I do here. 673 00:26:55,770 --> 00:26:56,770 Dereel 674 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,509 this would be a bit more dada. 675 00:27:01,510 --> 00:27:04,179 Is there an animal 676 00:27:04,180 --> 00:27:05,679 going to death at the moment? 677 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,849 No, it's dada. 678 00:27:08,350 --> 00:27:10,569 Yeah, but it's not something that 679 00:27:10,570 --> 00:27:12,669 nice bourgeois men and women 680 00:27:12,670 --> 00:27:15,429 would come in the door in the evening 681 00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:17,319 to have the white wine in the white cube. 682 00:27:18,850 --> 00:27:21,429 Yeah. So irreverence against bourgeois 683 00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:22,430 representation. 684 00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:26,329 Is is one value that you have here, 685 00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:28,969 and it's called the Cabaret Voltaire. 686 00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:31,249 And if you're interested more so, please 687 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:33,349 go to Dardar and 688 00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:35,059 all of most of. 689 00:27:35,060 --> 00:27:36,060 But. 690 00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:39,609 Always decides it's good to have 691 00:27:39,610 --> 00:27:42,819 multiple perspectives on one thing 692 00:27:42,820 --> 00:27:45,279 and with these people, with these 693 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,289 like the Dove movement, Situationist, 694 00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:49,659 Letairis Fluxus, it's 695 00:27:49,660 --> 00:27:51,819 always good to to not only 696 00:27:51,820 --> 00:27:53,949 go over one person into 697 00:27:53,950 --> 00:27:55,449 the labyrinth. 698 00:27:55,450 --> 00:27:56,589 Yeah. 699 00:27:56,590 --> 00:27:57,660 So the next place 700 00:27:58,990 --> 00:27:59,990 then we have. 701 00:28:01,870 --> 00:28:04,359 Here is one of the first. 702 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,519 Dardar, part company, part 703 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,669 Tristan Sahhaf, that was next 704 00:28:10,670 --> 00:28:12,449 to Huckerby, one of the most important. 705 00:28:13,460 --> 00:28:15,599 So these people invented 706 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,759 the lot. 707 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,009 They had they had new ways to 708 00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:21,439 to form objects and to make a mask 709 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,509 out of it that is now a 710 00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:24,979 painting. 711 00:28:24,980 --> 00:28:27,529 Or they said, yeah, let's let's totally 712 00:28:27,530 --> 00:28:30,199 destructs the way we read a newspaper. 713 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,699 Let's have different layout. 714 00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:35,419 Yeah, all that's let's to automatic 715 00:28:35,420 --> 00:28:37,879 things that's not proclaim that our 716 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,279 talk and our language published 717 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,859 on paper is really, you know, 718 00:28:42,860 --> 00:28:44,189 talking about the world. 719 00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:46,249 Let's have the new eyes and new 720 00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:48,319 ears developed 721 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,599 by going very structurally, very 722 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,969 analytically, very constructive, very 723 00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:54,409 minimally. 724 00:28:54,410 --> 00:28:56,749 Yeah. To how a structure 725 00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:59,269 of an artwork is composed. 726 00:28:59,270 --> 00:29:00,490 Let's go to the next, please. 727 00:29:03,250 --> 00:29:04,749 So he is the Congress of the 728 00:29:04,750 --> 00:29:06,309 constructivists data is 729 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,669 there, and I wouldn't 730 00:29:09,670 --> 00:29:12,399 say, yeah, they were making fun, 731 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,589 but it's sometimes violent 732 00:29:14,590 --> 00:29:17,819 fun and sometimes serious fun. 733 00:29:17,820 --> 00:29:20,009 Yeah, if you only have the funds 734 00:29:20,010 --> 00:29:22,109 gala for the east 735 00:29:22,110 --> 00:29:24,539 situation, is Leatrice fluxes, 736 00:29:24,540 --> 00:29:26,899 I think Fluxus is most fun. 737 00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:29,459 The situation is a little fun. 738 00:29:29,460 --> 00:29:31,559 There are a lot of a lot of it 739 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,929 has maybe to do with higer dialectic. 740 00:29:33,930 --> 00:29:36,209 And, you know, to 741 00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:38,129 the electricians who fight with each 742 00:29:38,130 --> 00:29:40,679 other. What is the best third way 743 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,019 is a very nice situation to be 744 00:29:43,020 --> 00:29:45,029 exploding, so. 745 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,939 Yes, this is just tell 746 00:29:49,940 --> 00:29:52,099 you inside of the time 747 00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:54,499 and of the stress of the First World War, 748 00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:57,049 but in Switzerland 749 00:29:57,050 --> 00:29:58,490 and Switzerland as neutral, 750 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,699 which means that if you're appalled by 751 00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:03,589 what's happening, if you see how, let's 752 00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:05,150 say, the 19th century. 753 00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:08,869 Bourgeois world is sort of collapsing. 754 00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:11,319 Yeah, they don't have new recipes, 755 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,749 they don't go new ways. 756 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,709 So what happens when sort of 757 00:30:17,710 --> 00:30:20,109 fiery nationalisms become 758 00:30:20,110 --> 00:30:22,269 national sects fighting each other? 759 00:30:22,270 --> 00:30:23,949 That was Europe in the First World War. 760 00:30:23,950 --> 00:30:25,989 This is what the European Union is built 761 00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:26,990 against. 762 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,839 By the way, happened the second time 763 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,420 and always Germany using Germany's. 764 00:30:35,850 --> 00:30:37,939 You know, I don't go to 765 00:30:37,940 --> 00:30:39,700 war, um. 766 00:30:43,210 --> 00:30:44,319 You didn't hear this. 767 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,869 It's about that we are so happy Europeans 768 00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:48,470 that we are so happily live together. 769 00:30:49,870 --> 00:30:52,059 So here we have Marcel 770 00:30:52,060 --> 00:30:54,219 Duchamp next to Eloxatin. 771 00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:56,349 He is one of the inspirations 772 00:30:56,350 --> 00:30:58,569 of how he understood his art form. 773 00:31:00,610 --> 00:31:02,919 He would say, God, things like 774 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,929 the real artist has already gone 775 00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:05,930 underground. 776 00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:08,310 How 777 00:31:10,030 --> 00:31:13,629 do we compare him with Tintoretto, 778 00:31:13,630 --> 00:31:14,630 Michelangelo? 779 00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:18,249 Do we compare him with Gustav Mahler 780 00:31:18,250 --> 00:31:19,959 so that Gustav Mahler has gone 781 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,029 underground, so that would 782 00:31:22,030 --> 00:31:23,769 be the question that that we would start 783 00:31:23,770 --> 00:31:25,539 off a discussion with in another category 784 00:31:25,540 --> 00:31:26,889 because the people actually want to 785 00:31:26,890 --> 00:31:28,149 become artists. 786 00:31:28,150 --> 00:31:30,040 So this this is their history. 787 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,389 Infixes, I try to 788 00:31:35,390 --> 00:31:37,489 present this for the ones 789 00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:39,319 of you who are interested as something 790 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,699 that you you have to research for 791 00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:43,159 yourself, actually there's a lot of DIY, 792 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,189 but also cognitive DIY 793 00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:48,319 do so, you know, who 794 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,410 knows the readymades of what 795 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,439 readymades means that you put the norms 796 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,109 of the outside into the 797 00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:59,299 unnormal museum space 798 00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:01,369 where only unnormal masterpieces 799 00:32:01,370 --> 00:32:03,679 are. So you put you put the unmuzzled 800 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,899 piece that was done in industrial 801 00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:07,879 production and you put it into the white 802 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,949 cube, which 803 00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:11,629 was a scandal at the beginning. 804 00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:13,279 And of course, this guy knew that the 805 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,329 scandal would come. 806 00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:16,609 So he would 807 00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:18,619 you know, and then so he could push the 808 00:32:18,620 --> 00:32:22,219 buttons of a bit more idiotic, 809 00:32:22,220 --> 00:32:24,379 idiotically, people 810 00:32:24,380 --> 00:32:27,019 of the art critic in Paris. 811 00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:29,299 So he put an issue into 812 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:31,649 there from 813 00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:33,019 the other fountain. 814 00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:35,749 But normally the fountain is the man 815 00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:39,019 urinating in the Renoir. 816 00:32:39,020 --> 00:32:41,119 So that was a scandal then. 817 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,249 But then he also said, yeah, I'm bored by 818 00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:46,009 art. I really readymades. 819 00:32:46,010 --> 00:32:48,079 I look for objects that are 820 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,369 not really fascinating. 821 00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:52,219 Me, that's much too loud. 822 00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:54,319 I don't look for objects that bore 823 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,409 me. 824 00:32:55,410 --> 00:32:56,659 Yeah. That had just nothing. 825 00:32:56,660 --> 00:32:58,519 I look for objects that are in the gray 826 00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,520 zone in between. 827 00:33:02,410 --> 00:33:04,509 So so by recalibrating the 828 00:33:04,510 --> 00:33:06,879 taste values, 829 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,189 you actually go go 830 00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:11,529 to something that doesn't set 831 00:33:11,530 --> 00:33:13,839 and so you can also see Fluxus 832 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,639 is not about making rubbish. 833 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,469 Yeah, but it has the esthetics and the 834 00:33:17,470 --> 00:33:19,639 taste of. 835 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,349 Of Dushan in there. 836 00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:22,350 Can we go on, please? 837 00:33:24,690 --> 00:33:26,130 Yeah, then 838 00:33:27,330 --> 00:33:29,399 we have after the Second World War in the 839 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,339 Second World War, really a Romanian 840 00:33:32,340 --> 00:33:34,409 poet called ISOO was founding 841 00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:36,299 the literacy movement. 842 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:38,489 And that was important because he 843 00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:40,799 said, aha, you 844 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,989 have feelings and now 845 00:33:42,990 --> 00:33:44,729 you want to express them maybe to 846 00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:45,239 yourself. 847 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,489 You write poetry, maybe 848 00:33:47,490 --> 00:33:48,490 to somebody else. 849 00:33:49,530 --> 00:33:52,619 What will you use, German language, 850 00:33:52,620 --> 00:33:54,929 that's a foreign thing 851 00:33:54,930 --> 00:33:57,239 to feelings, because your feelings 852 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,399 might be differently structured, they 853 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:00,929 have a different tone, they have 854 00:34:00,930 --> 00:34:03,599 different truth and reality 855 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,729 than any German who ever created 856 00:34:05,730 --> 00:34:07,159 the word. 857 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,379 Right, so you come to the very special 858 00:34:11,150 --> 00:34:13,790 section of experimental languages 859 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,238 where artists have created experimental 860 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,488 worlds, languages and can be 861 00:34:19,489 --> 00:34:20,980 color codes and whatever, 862 00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:23,959 but normally, of course. 863 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,698 So the dictionary is not enough to 864 00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:27,439 express feelings. 865 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,079 That's a very deep understanding, 866 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,789 not only for artists, but maybe the 867 00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:34,158 artist is the super normal human being 868 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:35,159 of his time. 869 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,289 Right, or the hyper normal or the normal, 870 00:34:38,290 --> 00:34:40,509 normal or the normal, normal 871 00:34:40,510 --> 00:34:41,510 nominal and. 872 00:34:43,060 --> 00:34:45,189 So I break rules of German grammar and 873 00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:47,559 syntax in order to get 874 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,530 to let to let our ears click again. 875 00:34:51,170 --> 00:34:53,479 Because in constructivism Umberto 876 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,309 Martarano, may I ask you, who knows his 877 00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:57,709 name, OK, 878 00:34:57,710 --> 00:35:00,019 on D'Attoma Turana is a 879 00:35:00,020 --> 00:35:02,239 Chilean biologist 880 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:04,639 who became the inspiration for Nicolas 881 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,919 Loman's system Theory of Social 882 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:07,920 Systems. 883 00:35:08,660 --> 00:35:10,549 And he says, what is the language? 884 00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:13,129 A language is functioning and there 885 00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:15,709 if we coordinate our coordination 886 00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:17,119 of behavior together. 887 00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:21,439 Language is coordination of coordination 888 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,029 of behavior. 889 00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:25,009 So he would say, you want to go this way 890 00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:27,229 on the street and you want to 891 00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:29,359 take a taxi, but the taxi comes from 892 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,469 the other side. 893 00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:31,520 I saw him do this. 894 00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:33,540 And then all you do is. 895 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,979 And immediately, 896 00:35:38,980 --> 00:35:41,049 the taxi driver understands, aha, he 897 00:35:41,050 --> 00:35:43,029 wants me to go in the other direction but 898 00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:45,159 with me, so I have to change direction 899 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,959 and then he I will transport him. 900 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,009 He pays me. 901 00:35:48,010 --> 00:35:49,659 That would be the coordination of 902 00:35:49,660 --> 00:35:52,000 behavior that normally Konstantine have. 903 00:35:53,710 --> 00:35:54,710 If now I do a. 904 00:35:56,490 --> 00:35:57,650 And then I ran away, 905 00:36:00,330 --> 00:36:02,459 the taxi driver has four reasons 906 00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:03,460 to be pissed 907 00:36:06,090 --> 00:36:07,090 right 908 00:36:08,670 --> 00:36:11,759 now. I say I called the taxi 909 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,979 and I say I want to go from A to B in ten 910 00:36:13,980 --> 00:36:16,049 minutes. And they say, yea, then 911 00:36:16,050 --> 00:36:17,939 it's language, but the coordination also 912 00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:20,399 works. It's just that it wasn't presence, 913 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,350 it was presence in time, but by media. 914 00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:27,039 Agenda 2020, 915 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,319 Paris, the climate goals, 916 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,329 that is all coordination of behavior, of 917 00:36:31,330 --> 00:36:32,330 course. 918 00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:35,429 Yeah, how eager are we 919 00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:37,859 to see texts of coordination, of behavior 920 00:36:37,860 --> 00:36:40,289 of of countries and their politicians 921 00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:42,839 to actually be 922 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,969 come reality that 923 00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:46,389 we can see? 924 00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:48,099 Like taxi driver drives, I give them 925 00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:50,199 money. They talk about climate change 926 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,780 goals, it actually happens. 927 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,259 All right, so the first lie of language 928 00:36:55,260 --> 00:36:56,639 can be that you promise something which 929 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:57,640 you don't hold to, 930 00:36:58,860 --> 00:36:59,999 of course. 931 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,000 Yeah, 932 00:37:02,130 --> 00:37:04,319 and and if I pay you with 933 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,389 my tax money, the last thing 934 00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:08,189 you should ever do because you got thrown 935 00:37:08,190 --> 00:37:10,409 out of the job is to lie 936 00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:12,569 to my parliamentarian's 937 00:37:12,570 --> 00:37:13,570 baby. 938 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,349 Have you ever seen generals 939 00:37:17,350 --> 00:37:20,439 lie to my parliamentarians 940 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,619 in the last years openly, 941 00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:25,749 without the law, without the text of the 942 00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:28,509 law, sending them to the other place 943 00:37:28,510 --> 00:37:30,849 where liars are kept to think 944 00:37:30,850 --> 00:37:31,850 about it? 945 00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:36,619 Here you can see how the promises 946 00:37:36,620 --> 00:37:39,499 of democracy and so on have to be 947 00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:41,599 taken double serious, serious, 948 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,549 serious, serious, serious, because the 949 00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:45,280 coordination of behavior is important. 950 00:37:48,290 --> 00:37:50,269 My coordination of behavior might be 951 00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:52,369 collected in the NSA 952 00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:54,439 because metadata is a language in the 953 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,489 sense that it's coordination of 954 00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:57,079 coordination, behavior, you understand. 955 00:38:00,110 --> 00:38:02,359 If somebody else knows more about me 956 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,039 and he's not controlled by my 957 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,040 libertarian's. 958 00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:10,039 I'm in deep doo doo, as Spielberg would 959 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,289 say. 960 00:38:11,290 --> 00:38:13,389 I know I think this is a younger guy 961 00:38:13,390 --> 00:38:15,579 says it's good, let's come back to 962 00:38:15,580 --> 00:38:16,580 this. 963 00:38:17,490 --> 00:38:19,799 Now, John Cage, he 964 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,229 puts a lot of musicality into 965 00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:23,230 the Fluxus movement. 966 00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:26,290 John Cage. 967 00:38:27,550 --> 00:38:29,439 Found out he was gay at the end of the 968 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,399 Second World War. 969 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,199 This is something you don't often hear. 970 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,209 And he had his boyfriend, Mosi 971 00:38:34,210 --> 00:38:36,549 Cunningham, and his Catholic 972 00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:39,099 upbringing gave him a lot of 973 00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:41,619 weight, a lot of guilt feelings. 974 00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:43,189 And so he listened to 975 00:38:44,530 --> 00:38:46,299 one of the maybe most important 976 00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:48,759 philosophers of the 20th century dies 977 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,909 at Suzuki, who was invited to Columbia, 978 00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:53,949 that Suzuki had the problem to have 979 00:38:53,950 --> 00:38:56,379 Nagasaki and Hiroshima 980 00:38:56,380 --> 00:38:58,479 burdened Japanese to 981 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,299 tell them why this is honorable 982 00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:02,530 to live from now on, 983 00:39:03,570 --> 00:39:05,649 you know, because they have a very, 984 00:39:05,650 --> 00:39:08,409 very strong pride 985 00:39:08,410 --> 00:39:09,940 culture in Japan. 986 00:39:12,010 --> 00:39:14,079 But this does Suzuki came and 987 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,239 this inspired cage 988 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,459 to have an enhanced notion of what 989 00:39:18,460 --> 00:39:20,499 is music, an enhanced notion of what the 990 00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:22,569 composer should do, and hence 991 00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:24,669 Knowshon means it's media theory. 992 00:39:24,670 --> 00:39:27,549 Interesting new notation. 993 00:39:27,550 --> 00:39:29,739 Don't use the five lines 994 00:39:29,740 --> 00:39:31,569 only or maybe not at all. 995 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,379 The thing is, now that the later Fluxus 996 00:39:35,380 --> 00:39:37,839 will come from people, a lot of them 997 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,939 that were composition students with 998 00:39:39,940 --> 00:39:40,940 John Cage. 999 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,130 In the late 50s. 1000 00:39:44,610 --> 00:39:46,349 So a lot of them thought about music, 1001 00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:48,569 something very immaterial and something 1002 00:39:48,570 --> 00:39:50,729 incredibly physical, you 1003 00:39:50,730 --> 00:39:52,530 don't get any music without physics. 1004 00:39:55,170 --> 00:39:57,569 So let's go on, we have 20 minutes, 1005 00:39:57,570 --> 00:40:00,149 15 minutes, DUCHARME 1006 00:40:00,150 --> 00:40:02,369 You can see here he was 1007 00:40:02,370 --> 00:40:03,370 a very 1008 00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:06,629 decent is a master 1009 00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:07,679 of not caring. 1010 00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:11,299 Yeah, and you can see it here, 1011 00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:13,369 he just looks at his own play and 1012 00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:15,499 not at the moment, and they played some 1013 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:17,089 chess together. That's the latest here. 1014 00:40:17,090 --> 00:40:19,429 But it's a very important image. 1015 00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:20,430 Let's go on, please. 1016 00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:25,039 And of course, what we 1017 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,709 see here is actually a that's already 1018 00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:29,749 19th century, but that's the mad 1019 00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:30,750 dictator. 1020 00:40:31,610 --> 00:40:32,610 So people were so 1021 00:40:33,980 --> 00:40:36,169 frustrated by the 1022 00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:38,509 closeness of the society around them 1023 00:40:38,510 --> 00:40:40,579 that they made theater plays with an 1024 00:40:40,580 --> 00:40:42,889 absurdly fat, 1025 00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:43,909 stupid. 1026 00:40:45,590 --> 00:40:47,839 Gluttonous dictator, 1027 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,239 but just puts everything around him in 1028 00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:51,240 turmoil. 1029 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,849 That's why and that is 1030 00:40:54,850 --> 00:40:57,369 the the name giver of the upswept, 1031 00:40:57,370 --> 00:41:00,169 you know, over Web, who knows of a web. 1032 00:41:00,170 --> 00:41:02,449 OK, so so just 1033 00:41:02,450 --> 00:41:04,609 think of Ubu, that's the king 1034 00:41:04,610 --> 00:41:06,799 and WEAP, this is the most 1035 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,999 important archive 1036 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,299 about all the art that I'm talking 1037 00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:13,129 about now. Data is toiletries, 1038 00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:14,510 Situationist Fluxus. 1039 00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:18,239 And then not all artists are obliged 1040 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,399 to be part of a movement that they then 1041 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,900 say it doesn't exist, 1042 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,619 right. So artists are coming 1043 00:41:25,620 --> 00:41:26,519 and they're Trickster's. 1044 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,679 Sometimes some artists are really 1045 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:29,819 like this. 1046 00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:32,549 But, uh, but the Web 1047 00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:34,859 is important for research 1048 00:41:34,860 --> 00:41:36,659 in the arts. Ketamine's. 1049 00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:37,660 Let's go on. 1050 00:41:40,020 --> 00:41:41,370 Right, and now. 1051 00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:45,789 Added language is a is 1052 00:41:45,790 --> 00:41:47,619 another thing I wanted to point to, to 1053 00:41:47,620 --> 00:41:49,989 these English painters that started 1054 00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:52,119 going into the theory or theory 1055 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,429 of means, what sort of society 1056 00:41:54,430 --> 00:41:56,739 is now or has been that made 1057 00:41:56,740 --> 00:41:58,959 the representative art that made the 1058 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,209 oh, I want to have the landscape painting 1059 00:42:01,210 --> 00:42:03,279 from this guy and I pay 1060 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,050 a lot of money to have it at home. 1061 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,509 It says the content of this painting is 1062 00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:10,279 invisible, the character and dimension of 1063 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,989 the content are to be kept permanently 1064 00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:14,539 secret, known only to the artist. 1065 00:42:14,540 --> 00:42:16,789 Sounds a bit like sort of a 1066 00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:19,219 NASA exhibition 1067 00:42:19,220 --> 00:42:20,689 contribution by some artist. 1068 00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:25,999 Also, Yoko Ono was was 1069 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,609 important for the early Fluxus. 1070 00:42:28,610 --> 00:42:30,919 She she gave her apartment 1071 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,229 in the early 60s for the Fluxus 1072 00:42:33,230 --> 00:42:34,519 people to meet. 1073 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,520 Let's go on. 1074 00:42:37,350 --> 00:42:40,109 And now I want to come slowly 1075 00:42:40,110 --> 00:42:43,019 here you see a computer and it's 1076 00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:45,359 8800, which is 1077 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,339 already 1975. 1078 00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:48,869 Why am I talking about this? 1079 00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:51,509 Because it is. 1080 00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:53,609 Not the personal computer, 1081 00:42:53,610 --> 00:42:55,649 it's not you and me and everybody here 1082 00:42:55,650 --> 00:42:57,869 that can afford it today 1083 00:42:57,870 --> 00:43:00,569 in Aldy Modu 399 1084 00:43:00,570 --> 00:43:02,639 499 and you have 1085 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:03,640 a power machine. 1086 00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:05,879 Great. 1087 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,859 So everybody can have it. 1088 00:43:07,860 --> 00:43:09,989 So now I have the 1089 00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:10,990 first guest. 1090 00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:14,070 Faloon can you just come. 1091 00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:19,099 Because I have to skip a bit, Latrice and 1092 00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:21,259 Situationist, but the slides will be 1093 00:43:21,260 --> 00:43:22,189 online. 1094 00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:24,379 Um, can you just tell me, 1095 00:43:24,380 --> 00:43:25,999 is it. Yes. 1096 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,460 So who knows Pantaloon already? 1097 00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:30,750 Wow, OK, 1098 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,319 I know me best. 1099 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,779 OK, so Pantaloon and then untangles 1100 00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:37,849 are our early friends of some 1101 00:43:37,850 --> 00:43:39,019 teachers that I know, 1102 00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:42,979 the so-called Menials Dirty and Vango 1103 00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:45,049 TV, Rentech 1104 00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:47,209 Band or whatever, but who 1105 00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:49,579 made quite beautiful poetic project 1106 00:43:49,580 --> 00:43:50,580 like this here? 1107 00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:53,749 They transported the stolen not 1108 00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:55,369 to the west, but to the east. 1109 00:43:55,370 --> 00:43:57,019 They wanted to have a stone from the 1110 00:43:57,020 --> 00:43:59,809 granite of of Stonehenge 1111 00:43:59,810 --> 00:44:01,309 transported to Bangkok. 1112 00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:04,219 Why? Because somebody was invited to a 1113 00:44:04,220 --> 00:44:06,169 bank to a performance festival in Bangkok 1114 00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:08,989 and they said we don't come as tourists. 1115 00:44:08,990 --> 00:44:11,299 The travel bill will be the work 1116 00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:12,419 that we do. 1117 00:44:12,420 --> 00:44:14,959 But please, first, you know, 1118 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,209 people from NASA, 1119 00:44:17,210 --> 00:44:19,519 of course, a little bit of part 1120 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,589 of it. Yeah, I have 400 1121 00:44:21,590 --> 00:44:23,629 of the shares. If somebody wants to buy 1122 00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:25,639 some, send me an email. 1123 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:26,640 How much? 1124 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,249 Oh, good question. 1125 00:44:29,250 --> 00:44:30,079 Question. 1126 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,359 So here you see said space. 1127 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,579 You'll see an Austrian prince 1128 00:44:34,580 --> 00:44:36,319 and I think an Indian on the right. 1129 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,639 Do you know this? No, no. It's Boomi 1130 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,759 pool. OK, so 1131 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,899 please, Badalona, you've been part of 1132 00:44:41,900 --> 00:44:44,029 this and now you 1133 00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:46,129 have been for many, many years fighting 1134 00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:47,539 for digital freedom. 1135 00:44:47,540 --> 00:44:48,579 Yeah. 1136 00:44:48,580 --> 00:44:50,239 How does it go together in your life in 1137 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:51,049 the 18th? 1138 00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:53,419 You never say to what punk 1139 00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:55,129 on the stage. Yeah. 1140 00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:57,919 And in the punk movement, 1141 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,049 you know, there some old 1142 00:45:00,050 --> 00:45:02,239 fat guys who tell something 1143 00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:03,739 about Fluxus. Perhaps it's 1144 00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:07,159 something in the behind of punk, 1145 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,649 but you don't really care about them. 1146 00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:12,019 And you invited the whole Fluxus 1147 00:45:12,020 --> 00:45:13,669 thing again. 1148 00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:16,549 And we 1149 00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:19,099 we used the possibilities of art 1150 00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:21,499 to be absolutely free, inventing 1151 00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:24,319 ever see everything again 1152 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,389 and making funny things. 1153 00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:28,579 And we never stand 1154 00:45:28,580 --> 00:45:30,289 on a stage and be very nice. 1155 00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:31,550 We like to do 1156 00:45:34,340 --> 00:45:36,649 things like that and it's 1157 00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:38,869 just for fun. You can try it out. 1158 00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:41,119 Sorry for bothering you and 1159 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,679 maybe you look at your own future, 1160 00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:44,970 OK? 1161 00:45:45,590 --> 00:45:48,739 And one 1162 00:45:48,740 --> 00:45:50,599 time there comes a moment when you think, 1163 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,009 you know, what will we do with it? 1164 00:45:52,010 --> 00:45:54,079 But what about the rest of the 1165 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,379 society of the people? 1166 00:45:55,380 --> 00:45:57,829 You say they are not intelligent. 1167 00:45:59,330 --> 00:46:01,459 The family is the people who have not 1168 00:46:01,460 --> 00:46:03,769 the time to be just an art. 1169 00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:06,109 And we want to find out how we can use 1170 00:46:06,110 --> 00:46:08,359 art as a normal life. 1171 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,519 And we we find out 1172 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,769 that in art, the most important thing 1173 00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:14,989 is to communication, just about 1174 00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:16,549 communication and communication. 1175 00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:18,079 Congress. 1176 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,130 Yes, it's for me 1177 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,399 and really. 1178 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:22,909 Wow. 1179 00:46:22,910 --> 00:46:25,219 And but 1180 00:46:25,220 --> 00:46:27,589 it's not that German hard 1181 00:46:27,590 --> 00:46:29,599 to bring people together. 1182 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,059 And we find out it's a heck of a scene. 1183 00:46:32,060 --> 00:46:34,639 People coming together, they really 1184 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,739 not like each other in the beginning, 1185 00:46:36,740 --> 00:46:39,259 perhaps times before they will 1186 00:46:39,260 --> 00:46:41,389 change the sides of a 1187 00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:43,789 street when they meet. 1188 00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:45,949 But you have one 1189 00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:47,449 thing you have to know. 1190 00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:48,799 You have to find out. 1191 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,959 And so we come together in the 1192 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,359 early years when the communication 1193 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,579 Congress was in Hamburg, 1194 00:46:55,580 --> 00:46:57,649 still in the beginning in 1195 00:46:57,650 --> 00:46:59,149 the Satterberg House. 1196 00:46:59,150 --> 00:47:01,369 And you find out you can talk to people 1197 00:47:01,370 --> 00:47:04,429 you perhaps do not like 1198 00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:06,649 and learn to like them. 1199 00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:08,449 And it's very important to find, to 1200 00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:09,450 frame. 1201 00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,429 Of art around 1202 00:47:12,430 --> 00:47:14,289 to people to bring them together in 1203 00:47:14,290 --> 00:47:17,529 peace, and so we used 1204 00:47:17,530 --> 00:47:20,109 Erik Satie's music, his idea 1205 00:47:20,110 --> 00:47:22,479 of making music, 1206 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,629 and as more to common bow 1207 00:47:25,630 --> 00:47:28,209 perhaps to interior 1208 00:47:28,210 --> 00:47:30,279 design, interior design of a 1209 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,409 framework of your daily feeling. 1210 00:47:32,410 --> 00:47:34,239 And we make we made 1211 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,989 events with piano 1212 00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:40,449 14 hours, one minute piece 1213 00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:42,609 all the time the same, and 1214 00:47:42,610 --> 00:47:44,499 making a room where you can sleep, you 1215 00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:46,599 can read. You just don't 1216 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,699 have just to sit and 1217 00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:51,129 listen to it, but you can get 1218 00:47:51,130 --> 00:47:53,439 in contact with other people and have a 1219 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,849 peaceful atmosphere. 1220 00:47:54,850 --> 00:47:57,129 And also, this Congress 1221 00:47:57,130 --> 00:47:59,349 has made an idea 1222 00:47:59,350 --> 00:48:02,289 of atmosphere mostly 1223 00:48:02,290 --> 00:48:04,449 built in the beginning 1224 00:48:04,450 --> 00:48:06,669 by violence ideas, 1225 00:48:06,670 --> 00:48:08,419 the founder of the Congress and Stephan 1226 00:48:08,420 --> 00:48:10,779 Vallerie, two guys, one 1227 00:48:10,780 --> 00:48:12,909 hippie, one tough guy who 1228 00:48:12,910 --> 00:48:14,619 wants a little bit 1229 00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:16,839 fascistic. 1230 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,609 Really? No, not not really. 1231 00:48:18,610 --> 00:48:21,579 But really brought to power rigorous. 1232 00:48:21,580 --> 00:48:23,769 So you make this now, OK, 1233 00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:25,779 I do it. And and wow. 1234 00:48:25,780 --> 00:48:27,939 Very, very nice saying we 1235 00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:29,169 don't have security. 1236 00:48:29,170 --> 00:48:31,029 We have Angell's. 1237 00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:33,819 Yeah, it's absolutely an attitude 1238 00:48:33,820 --> 00:48:35,979 to and when you talk to the 1239 00:48:35,980 --> 00:48:38,049 people from the caterer, they 1240 00:48:38,050 --> 00:48:40,149 all say it's wonderful to work on this 1241 00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:42,849 Congress. Very nice people, absolutely 1242 00:48:42,850 --> 00:48:45,489 different from all other Congresses 1243 00:48:45,490 --> 00:48:47,079 they say will be here. 1244 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,479 And this is a wonderful 1245 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,309 thing to see how art becomes 1246 00:48:52,310 --> 00:48:54,339 the better way to live together. 1247 00:48:54,340 --> 00:48:55,269 I think it's enough. 1248 00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:55,899 Thanks. 1249 00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:58,209 I have some prospects about 1250 00:48:58,210 --> 00:48:59,769 my work. 1251 00:48:59,770 --> 00:49:01,629 Bring here when you go out, take it with 1252 00:49:01,630 --> 00:49:04,269 you and you will see what will Art 1253 00:49:04,270 --> 00:49:05,270 can become. 1254 00:49:06,210 --> 00:49:06,899 Thanks a lot. 1255 00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:07,900 By the way. 1256 00:49:14,330 --> 00:49:16,579 And now we 1257 00:49:16,580 --> 00:49:18,769 hope to start here, a project to get 1258 00:49:18,770 --> 00:49:20,639 the empty 80s, which I don't know, but 1259 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,899 Pantaloon is already a little less empty 1260 00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:26,179 for me because in 1261 00:49:26,180 --> 00:49:28,279 78, not 1262 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,249 only Matsue us we you heard of died, 1263 00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:33,919 but also somebody said Fluxus is dead. 1264 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,379 And this man was from the Silverstein 1265 00:49:36,380 --> 00:49:37,380 collection. 1266 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:40,219 Which had a lot of Fluxus pieces now in 1267 00:49:40,220 --> 00:49:42,439 art, if you have the best 1268 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,659 collection of an art movement and 1269 00:49:44,660 --> 00:49:46,759 it's that, then it really 1270 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,319 goes up in the value. 1271 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,749 So some people, some people 1272 00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:52,969 may declare something dead to 1273 00:49:52,970 --> 00:49:53,970 profit from it. 1274 00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:57,019 Now, that's not nice, especially not with 1275 00:49:57,020 --> 00:49:59,119 fluxes, which doesn't come from art, 1276 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,120 as they say. 1277 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,539 Yeah, uh, so 1278 00:50:04,650 --> 00:50:07,709 you have the 80s that we I'm 1279 00:50:07,710 --> 00:50:09,269 asking here, for instance, I heard that 1280 00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:11,819 Van Hollen was asked by the Fluxus, 1281 00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:14,429 the participant use of boys, 1282 00:50:14,430 --> 00:50:16,139 to bring one of the first personal 1283 00:50:16,140 --> 00:50:18,779 computers to his 1284 00:50:18,780 --> 00:50:21,179 Duesseldorf Academy, very important 1285 00:50:21,180 --> 00:50:22,469 in the arts. And I'm John Pike. 1286 00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:24,389 And boys were in the Duesseldorf Academy. 1287 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,589 So I want to get people who are really 1288 00:50:28,590 --> 00:50:30,629 eyewitnesses or to have firsthand 1289 00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:31,769 knowledge like a journalist. 1290 00:50:31,770 --> 00:50:34,319 You have to validate your sources also. 1291 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,449 And but then comes the 90s 1292 00:50:36,450 --> 00:50:38,549 and in the 90s, maybe this is 1293 00:50:38,550 --> 00:50:40,229 where you start to come in the younger 1294 00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:42,119 ones of you, the BBC bulletin board 1295 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,549 systems and the HTML 1296 00:50:44,550 --> 00:50:46,889 was invented and then something happened 1297 00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:47,890 in New York. 1298 00:50:49,110 --> 00:50:51,000 So basically in 91, vulcanized 1299 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,389 founded the thing BBB's and he was 1300 00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:56,729 an artist, did a media work before 1301 00:50:56,730 --> 00:50:58,979 and played around with 1302 00:50:58,980 --> 00:51:00,269 computers and got a modem. 1303 00:51:00,270 --> 00:51:02,099 And first step at that time you went 1304 00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:03,089 online on a BBS. 1305 00:51:03,090 --> 00:51:05,279 That means like you're dialing up on 1306 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,649 a modem and you had like, 1307 00:51:07,650 --> 00:51:09,719 you know, if they have the image up with 1308 00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:11,909 terminal interface and what 1309 00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:13,799 happened then, friends from Europe came 1310 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,319 over to New York and saw the BBC 1311 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,479 in New York running and the notes were 1312 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,059 set it up in Cologne, 1313 00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:23,099 in Vienna, I think, oh, look at like 15 1314 00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:26,009 notes, Amsterdam, London, Rome, 1315 00:51:26,010 --> 00:51:28,529 and transfer data 1316 00:51:28,530 --> 00:51:31,019 on artists and political discourse 1317 00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:33,359 overnight because the traffic 1318 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,360 rate was cheaper. 1319 00:51:35,580 --> 00:51:38,459 And so they established a place, 1320 00:51:38,460 --> 00:51:40,259 a mixture of online and virtual 1321 00:51:40,260 --> 00:51:42,659 community. Having a basement office 1322 00:51:42,660 --> 00:51:45,329 in New York and having an art discussion 1323 00:51:45,330 --> 00:51:47,399 and pushing art for was 1324 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,229 being like always more on the fringe, out 1325 00:51:49,230 --> 00:51:50,549 of the institutions. 1326 00:51:50,550 --> 00:51:52,679 And behind was like you have like a 1327 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,329 new independent. 1328 00:51:54,330 --> 00:51:55,800 So you call it bullshit, bullshit. 1329 00:51:57,330 --> 00:51:59,639 You're autonomous, you try to have 1330 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,039 self organized systems and 1331 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,839 you play around voices. 1332 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,129 And at the end of the day, you always 1333 00:52:05,130 --> 00:52:06,539 laugh about yourself. That was like the 1334 00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:08,639 best thing about that. 1335 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,769 We that was the first office 1336 00:52:10,770 --> 00:52:13,289 there. I only got to like 98 1337 00:52:13,290 --> 00:52:16,079 as a system administrator, 95. 1338 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,089 They ran the first website, which is 1339 00:52:18,090 --> 00:52:20,309 still on online, which is called Old 1340 00:52:20,310 --> 00:52:22,619 Thing, but not in 98 1341 00:52:22,620 --> 00:52:24,209 and 95. That was 98. 1342 00:52:24,210 --> 00:52:26,279 I-Max calls that created the 1343 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,749 communicator, which was like a 1344 00:52:28,750 --> 00:52:30,959 mistake based bulletin board system. 1345 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,089 So you had all the functionality for PBS 1346 00:52:33,090 --> 00:52:35,219 attritional one in browser at 1347 00:52:35,220 --> 00:52:37,529 that time, it was quite mind blowing. 1348 00:52:37,530 --> 00:52:40,019 We had up to 8000 people 1349 00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:43,109 in that system where you had a 1350 00:52:43,110 --> 00:52:45,599 web streaming on videos with 1351 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,339 two and three kilobits. 1352 00:52:47,340 --> 00:52:48,959 So you can imagine how big the quality 1353 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,219 was like that. 1354 00:52:50,220 --> 00:52:51,339 And, uh, 1355 00:52:52,530 --> 00:52:54,659 threats projects that was like in 1356 00:52:54,660 --> 00:52:56,819 the office space audio streaming. 1357 00:52:56,820 --> 00:52:58,589 So we had like a live recording always 1358 00:52:58,590 --> 00:53:00,719 from our phone calls and support with 1359 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,819 Verizon and some 1360 00:53:02,820 --> 00:53:04,709 other stuff. Video broadcasting from the 1361 00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:06,689 office additions was like for selling, 1362 00:53:06,690 --> 00:53:09,359 helping artists, selling the stuff. 1363 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,029 And so we went in 97. 1364 00:53:12,030 --> 00:53:13,739 It used to be an ISP. 1365 00:53:13,740 --> 00:53:16,199 And being in this like art 1366 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:17,729 background community, we had like 1367 00:53:17,730 --> 00:53:20,009 hilarious customers like YES-MAN. 1368 00:53:20,010 --> 00:53:21,749 I don't know who knows them. 1369 00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:24,089 The Congressman when I was the Yasmine 1370 00:53:24,090 --> 00:53:26,639 Yasmine, look them up there are if 1371 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,529 you wanted to say who is their flux of 1372 00:53:28,530 --> 00:53:30,329 transition in it, of course you can ask 1373 00:53:30,330 --> 00:53:32,699 them. But of course in the Fluxus 1374 00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:35,429 it's also about also what is the work 1375 00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:36,519 and the work they work. 1376 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,639 What influences be pranks. 1377 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,099 Yeah, they they are Trickster's. 1378 00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:43,409 That trick corporations into 1379 00:53:43,410 --> 00:53:46,109 believing absolutely absurd stuff 1380 00:53:46,110 --> 00:53:47,790 as something normal in their world 1381 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,359 so that Fluxus, 1382 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,429 the the yes men save the 1383 00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:54,719 world. That's their prank. 1384 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:56,519 Maybe fluxes cannot save the world. 1385 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:57,570 So go to the Esman 1386 00:53:58,950 --> 00:54:01,109 to protect a Tesla 1387 00:54:01,110 --> 00:54:03,179 since it's now a topic again with an end 1388 00:54:03,180 --> 00:54:03,869 to deportation. 1389 00:54:03,870 --> 00:54:06,089 Aline's deportation class, an 1390 00:54:06,090 --> 00:54:08,819 Olympics are the catalog 1391 00:54:08,820 --> 00:54:10,439 website. So we catch up on like three 1392 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,119 times ballbuster provider every time in 1393 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,429 the New York Times. It's like a hilarious 1394 00:54:14,430 --> 00:54:16,589 time. We had electronic 1395 00:54:16,590 --> 00:54:18,419 disturbances yet, which was like at that 1396 00:54:18,420 --> 00:54:20,219 time announced distributed denial of 1397 00:54:20,220 --> 00:54:21,839 service attacks, which nowadays you can't 1398 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,399 do any more because nobody has a sense of 1399 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,400 humor anymore. 1400 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,379 We are also, Toivo, 1401 00:54:28,380 --> 00:54:30,239 which was hilarious. 1402 00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:32,579 And by 2002, 1403 00:54:32,580 --> 00:54:35,159 we got the cutoff upstream provider 1404 00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,139 because they had too much trouble with us 1405 00:54:37,140 --> 00:54:39,359 and the site 1406 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:40,269 is still up and running. 1407 00:54:40,270 --> 00:54:42,839 We are an ISP doing that, 1408 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,599 decentralized work, a small community. 1409 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:46,829 The question we are always asking 1410 00:54:46,830 --> 00:54:49,379 ourselves how we push that stuff 1411 00:54:49,380 --> 00:54:50,999 at that time, like in the late nineties 1412 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,279 or early nineties, which was basically 1413 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,559 like real online freedom, where at least 1414 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,839 you thought it is how you transmit 1415 00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,379 this to 2015. 1416 00:54:59,380 --> 00:55:01,209 So what our next step will be probably. 1417 00:55:01,210 --> 00:55:03,789 You have in a community owned, backed 1418 00:55:03,790 --> 00:55:05,919 small boutique ISP where we 1419 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,169 have entry to like some stuff 1420 00:55:08,170 --> 00:55:10,669 you shouldn't have entry to 1421 00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:13,359 and having a hardcore technical side 1422 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,309 shout out to John Guayaba, who is 1423 00:55:16,780 --> 00:55:20,129 running the back end and. 1424 00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:22,079 Being like one of these, like little nice 1425 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,219 speeches on the Web, are you 1426 00:55:24,220 --> 00:55:25,220 an artist? 1427 00:55:25,830 --> 00:55:27,269 I wouldn't call myself an artist. 1428 00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:29,129 No, I'm just playing around. 1429 00:55:31,770 --> 00:55:32,770 Thank you very much. 1430 00:55:38,850 --> 00:55:40,199 Right. And so far, 1431 00:55:43,140 --> 00:55:44,860 we are ending now early. 1432 00:55:46,830 --> 00:55:49,169 Yes, we are ending now or 1433 00:55:49,170 --> 00:55:50,699 do we have two minutes more or we should 1434 00:55:51,860 --> 00:55:53,559 stop. Start? No. 1435 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:54,719 Yes. So 1436 00:55:57,060 --> 00:56:00,149 we should we should stop now 1437 00:56:00,150 --> 00:56:02,249 some of the videos that we 1438 00:56:02,250 --> 00:56:03,989 wanted to show you. 1439 00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:05,159 We will put online. 1440 00:56:06,570 --> 00:56:08,669 We are here to talk more if you're 1441 00:56:08,670 --> 00:56:09,989 interested. And 1442 00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:13,739 I'm not sure whether this talk is normal 1443 00:56:13,740 --> 00:56:16,019 or not normal for the car's 1444 00:56:16,020 --> 00:56:18,119 computer class, but we hope 1445 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,759 that this is constant, that we work. 1446 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,979 We wanted to show you some some 1447 00:56:22,980 --> 00:56:25,049 Fluxus concepts that we understood and 1448 00:56:25,050 --> 00:56:27,839 people that we thought have 1449 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,569 similar analog conceptualization. 1450 00:56:30,570 --> 00:56:32,729 And this is constantly this 1451 00:56:32,730 --> 00:56:34,409 is presence in time. 1452 00:56:34,410 --> 00:56:37,089 Yeah, he is IMPAC implicate 1453 00:56:37,090 --> 00:56:39,779 liveness. He is really memorizing 1454 00:56:39,780 --> 00:56:42,119 this 90s DVD 1455 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,889 esthetics, which we all forgot. 1456 00:56:43,890 --> 00:56:46,259 So is this sort of a nerd 1457 00:56:46,260 --> 00:56:48,659 melancholy in it also 1458 00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:51,509 then? Its simplicity because he does 1459 00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:53,039 what he does. 1460 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,439 He just you know, he can do the work like 1461 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:56,669 in one minute he's ready. 1462 00:56:56,670 --> 00:56:58,079 It's like very musical. 1463 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,239 I can sing, I can sing everywhere. 1464 00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:02,309 And it's globalism. 1465 00:57:02,310 --> 00:57:05,699 Maybe a lot of people understand DVD. 1466 00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:07,859 And now as as it's 1467 00:57:07,860 --> 00:57:10,169 over, I want to thank you very 1468 00:57:10,170 --> 00:57:11,940 much for your attention and. 1469 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,649 You do not have time for any questions.