0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Dear viewer, these subtitles were generated by a machine via the service Trint and therefore are (very) buggy. If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/114 Thanks! 1 00:00:09,740 --> 00:00:11,749 Good evening, humans. 2 00:00:11,750 --> 00:00:13,489 Today, I bring you Fran, to shake up 3 00:00:13,490 --> 00:00:15,679 fullback who runs the food hacking base 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,809 here and does a lot with 5 00:00:17,810 --> 00:00:19,939 fermented foods and aren't 6 00:00:19,940 --> 00:00:21,589 mindset just who 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,409 helps him with electronics because 8 00:00:24,410 --> 00:00:26,779 they're building an 9 00:00:26,780 --> 00:00:28,969 automatic incubator? 10 00:00:28,970 --> 00:00:29,970 Enjoy. 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,679 OK. Hello, greetings to everyone. 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,749 My name is Francis shake up, but 13 00:00:40,750 --> 00:00:42,219 I'm sure I'll go back. 14 00:00:42,220 --> 00:00:45,159 And this is Ahmanson from the 15 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:46,729 Incognita. 16 00:00:46,730 --> 00:00:47,730 Sorry. 17 00:00:48,850 --> 00:00:50,949 We are today about presenting 18 00:00:50,950 --> 00:00:53,559 a proposal or call for participation 19 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,209 for the experiment, the incubator 20 00:00:55,210 --> 00:00:56,210 project. 21 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,429 This project is basically 22 00:01:00,430 --> 00:01:01,430 about 23 00:01:02,530 --> 00:01:04,779 building a device which 24 00:01:04,780 --> 00:01:06,849 will allow for easy and simple 25 00:01:06,850 --> 00:01:07,850 fermentation. 26 00:01:08,650 --> 00:01:10,839 And we will go through different stages 27 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,429 of what we did already. 28 00:01:12,430 --> 00:01:14,469 There are you now and what are, let's 29 00:01:14,470 --> 00:01:16,629 say, short, medium 30 00:01:16,630 --> 00:01:19,149 and long term goals. 31 00:01:19,150 --> 00:01:21,309 Before we go up, I would like 32 00:01:21,310 --> 00:01:23,619 to present a bit of my 33 00:01:23,620 --> 00:01:24,759 history. 34 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,039 What I do and where I'm coming 35 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,040 from. 36 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:31,089 I have been traveling around the world 37 00:01:31,090 --> 00:01:33,159 for quite some time. 38 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,409 My parents are both from lodges. 39 00:01:35,410 --> 00:01:37,769 So I studied in the university's 40 00:01:37,770 --> 00:01:39,639 Czech Republic of our land. 41 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,769 Later, I decided that applied research 42 00:01:41,770 --> 00:01:43,299 on the two fundamental research isn't 43 00:01:43,300 --> 00:01:44,379 exactly for me. 44 00:01:44,380 --> 00:01:46,659 So I move on and I started to actually 45 00:01:46,660 --> 00:01:48,759 do. Biotech got in 46 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,339 touch with the Tigers and Noise Bridge. 47 00:01:51,340 --> 00:01:53,439 And during the years I 48 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,299 started really kind of, you know, see 49 00:01:55,300 --> 00:01:57,429 myself position within the 50 00:01:57,430 --> 00:01:59,349 hacker movement, enjoying with its 51 00:01:59,350 --> 00:02:01,539 qualities and 52 00:02:01,540 --> 00:02:03,609 going over some of the not so 53 00:02:03,610 --> 00:02:04,870 good things it happens 54 00:02:07,750 --> 00:02:08,799 at the moment. 55 00:02:10,090 --> 00:02:12,219 I personally, 56 00:02:12,220 --> 00:02:14,409 as a ferment or croissant 57 00:02:14,410 --> 00:02:16,569 person who does fermentation, need 58 00:02:16,570 --> 00:02:18,639 a device to make 59 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:20,749 my activities more feasible, 60 00:02:20,750 --> 00:02:21,750 more easy. 61 00:02:22,690 --> 00:02:24,039 That's something what I would like to 62 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,499 have, but it's very hard to 63 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:28,629 get it if you don't build 64 00:02:28,630 --> 00:02:29,709 it by yourself. 65 00:02:29,710 --> 00:02:31,839 So basically, I 66 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,999 started to talk and work 67 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,399 later on with people around the world 68 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,529 on an idea to come 69 00:02:38,530 --> 00:02:40,749 together and create something what would 70 00:02:40,750 --> 00:02:43,089 suit my end proposal of many 71 00:02:43,090 --> 00:02:45,369 other people who have issues 72 00:02:45,370 --> 00:02:46,749 with fermentation? 73 00:02:46,750 --> 00:02:48,979 And that's me presenting fermentation 74 00:02:48,980 --> 00:02:49,980 and promoting them. 75 00:02:51,220 --> 00:02:52,569 I would have that. 76 00:02:52,570 --> 00:02:54,819 So we created 77 00:02:54,820 --> 00:02:56,739 some time ago group, which is called the 78 00:02:56,740 --> 00:02:57,669 base. 79 00:02:57,670 --> 00:02:59,409 We started to be present on some of the 80 00:02:59,410 --> 00:03:01,569 major events like CCC Camp 81 00:03:01,570 --> 00:03:02,469 in Frankfurt. 82 00:03:02,470 --> 00:03:04,689 We have been in AUM lately and come 83 00:03:04,690 --> 00:03:06,939 to the CCC conferences where we 84 00:03:06,940 --> 00:03:09,099 invite people to come and join 85 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:11,319 us in activities about food and king 86 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:12,609 brewing cetera. 87 00:03:12,610 --> 00:03:14,349 DIY bio 88 00:03:15,730 --> 00:03:18,069 In our case, I would define 89 00:03:18,070 --> 00:03:20,139 maybe our issues 90 00:03:20,140 --> 00:03:21,140 around 91 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,599 combining the ancient knowledge, 92 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,729 which is here for a very 93 00:03:27,730 --> 00:03:30,309 long time with modern science 94 00:03:30,310 --> 00:03:31,899 and technology. 95 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:34,029 These group of people and 96 00:03:34,030 --> 00:03:36,069 technology and technologically people are 97 00:03:36,070 --> 00:03:38,199 kind of, you know, in a position many 98 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,189 times they would like to bring them 99 00:03:39,190 --> 00:03:40,190 together. 100 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,199 We also hope to promote 101 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,659 more of the social aspects 102 00:03:46,660 --> 00:03:48,369 of the anchor movement and bring in 103 00:03:48,370 --> 00:03:50,769 basically people in the hackerspaces 104 00:03:50,770 --> 00:03:52,659 in the event to get that through the food 105 00:03:52,660 --> 00:03:55,089 rigs and the interesting things 106 00:03:55,090 --> 00:03:57,279 which I believe 107 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,949 should be follow and developed now. 108 00:03:59,950 --> 00:04:02,199 What is the experience, the incubator 109 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:03,729 for what purpose we would like to do 110 00:04:03,730 --> 00:04:05,439 something like that? 111 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,749 As I already mentioned, the main 112 00:04:07,750 --> 00:04:10,869 idea is to do fermentation 113 00:04:10,870 --> 00:04:12,459 easily and reliably. 114 00:04:14,290 --> 00:04:15,759 In this case, you would like to grow 115 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:16,869 cultures. 116 00:04:16,870 --> 00:04:18,429 Some of them are more difficult, somewhat 117 00:04:18,430 --> 00:04:20,800 more easily complex than many varieties, 118 00:04:21,850 --> 00:04:23,349 and we would like to ferment, meaning 119 00:04:23,350 --> 00:04:24,639 that we would like to have products. 120 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,829 You can imagine being in beer, something 121 00:04:26,830 --> 00:04:27,729 what you would like to do. 122 00:04:27,730 --> 00:04:30,099 You need to take care of other microbes, 123 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:31,959 but it's not sometimes so easy. 124 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,209 So we would like to devise 125 00:04:34,210 --> 00:04:37,269 a device which would improve this 126 00:04:37,270 --> 00:04:39,429 process, and that's 127 00:04:39,430 --> 00:04:42,129 what the experiment incubator should do. 128 00:04:42,130 --> 00:04:44,199 Now, there has been too much text on 129 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,089 this slide about I'm through it quite 130 00:04:46,090 --> 00:04:47,090 quickly. 131 00:04:47,710 --> 00:04:49,929 This is not something to what no 132 00:04:49,930 --> 00:04:51,909 what no one tried before or what doesn't 133 00:04:51,910 --> 00:04:53,859 exist. There are lots of solutions. 134 00:04:53,860 --> 00:04:55,749 I would distinguish them or divide them 135 00:04:55,750 --> 00:04:57,489 in several categories. 136 00:04:57,490 --> 00:04:59,350 One, It's commercial solutions 137 00:05:00,490 --> 00:05:02,739 in that category are high 138 00:05:02,740 --> 00:05:03,669 end. 139 00:05:03,670 --> 00:05:06,069 That means laboratory incubators, 140 00:05:06,070 --> 00:05:08,079 industrial kind of stuff, incubators. 141 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:09,969 They are well-designed. 142 00:05:09,970 --> 00:05:10,970 They are 143 00:05:12,310 --> 00:05:14,619 reliable and they are not 144 00:05:14,620 --> 00:05:16,809 open source, and they are definitely 145 00:05:16,810 --> 00:05:17,829 not cheap. 146 00:05:17,830 --> 00:05:20,109 Generally, for a home proposal to two 147 00:05:20,110 --> 00:05:22,509 expensive one thousand five hundred 148 00:05:22,510 --> 00:05:24,789 dollars for the problem now after 149 00:05:24,790 --> 00:05:26,919 this, a commercial alternatives which are 150 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,109 cheap, you know them from the eBay 151 00:05:29,110 --> 00:05:30,110 and many other places. 152 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:32,739 Bread making machine. 153 00:05:32,740 --> 00:05:34,929 Nice example, you can get it $5000, 154 00:05:34,930 --> 00:05:36,899 let's say. Yogurt making machine. 155 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:38,100 In this case, it's 156 00:05:39,150 --> 00:05:41,369 the design, it's modular, so you need 157 00:05:41,370 --> 00:05:43,709 each machine gently for each thing 158 00:05:43,710 --> 00:05:45,509 down to very reliable in the long term 159 00:05:45,510 --> 00:05:48,059 because they are device not to 160 00:05:48,060 --> 00:05:49,060 basically 161 00:05:50,430 --> 00:05:51,959 be in that way. 162 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,879 And the difficulty, there are no open 163 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,039 source. So that's something of this. 164 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,109 Of course, there are DIY options. 165 00:05:58,110 --> 00:05:59,190 There are many of them 166 00:06:00,270 --> 00:06:01,919 open source, which is great. 167 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,379 Unfortunately, and many of them are 168 00:06:04,380 --> 00:06:05,819 not very well documented. 169 00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:07,589 And even if they are well documented, 170 00:06:08,670 --> 00:06:10,799 you need most of the time quite 171 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,869 pretty good knowledge in 172 00:06:12,870 --> 00:06:14,999 making them happen, making them 173 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,159 work, keeping them up to date and doing 174 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:18,329 what you want. 175 00:06:18,330 --> 00:06:20,429 So if you are not kind of the heat, you 176 00:06:20,430 --> 00:06:22,699 will have a problem. And many people in 177 00:06:22,700 --> 00:06:25,089 the slow food movement, in fermentation, 178 00:06:25,090 --> 00:06:26,819 they are exactly the people who are as 179 00:06:26,820 --> 00:06:28,739 far from their technology as possible. 180 00:06:28,740 --> 00:06:31,409 So these things kind of 181 00:06:31,410 --> 00:06:33,599 are they are there, 182 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,489 but they are missing something. 183 00:06:35,490 --> 00:06:37,619 What we need now, 184 00:06:37,620 --> 00:06:39,329 give me a second. 185 00:06:39,330 --> 00:06:41,249 I would just open the case of the virus 186 00:06:41,250 --> 00:06:42,869 network. 187 00:06:42,870 --> 00:06:45,029 So if I summarize it, what is 188 00:06:45,030 --> 00:06:47,429 missing and is basically what we want 189 00:06:47,430 --> 00:06:50,129 in a way, we want a device 190 00:06:50,130 --> 00:06:52,559 which will allow us for a variety 191 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,789 of permutations. 192 00:06:53,790 --> 00:06:55,619 So it's not just one fragment, want them 193 00:06:55,620 --> 00:06:57,419 or whatever, they are many. 194 00:06:57,420 --> 00:06:58,600 So you can do many things. 195 00:07:00,090 --> 00:07:02,459 We would like to have something quite 196 00:07:02,460 --> 00:07:03,719 easy to control. 197 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,939 So it's, you know, it has some 198 00:07:05,940 --> 00:07:07,739 decent interface, you know, which you can 199 00:07:07,740 --> 00:07:09,959 go through and you don't have to tinker 200 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,699 with that too much. 201 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:13,679 Low cost is clear. 202 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,749 And of 203 00:07:15,750 --> 00:07:17,879 course, and that's really kind of 204 00:07:18,900 --> 00:07:21,119 at the core, I would say it 205 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,559 should be easier to replicate. 206 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,569 You should be able if you are on 207 00:07:24,570 --> 00:07:26,999 different parts of the world, do 208 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,309 kind of what we 209 00:07:29,310 --> 00:07:31,769 do for us and use 210 00:07:31,770 --> 00:07:33,209 it, of course, at the beginning to 211 00:07:33,210 --> 00:07:34,889 prototypes. So things are a bit more 212 00:07:34,890 --> 00:07:37,669 challenging, but still this is something 213 00:07:37,670 --> 00:07:39,689 we would like to really keep at really 214 00:07:39,690 --> 00:07:41,819 core. Now, of 215 00:07:41,820 --> 00:07:43,649 course, we would like to do the upgrade 216 00:07:43,650 --> 00:07:46,110 about an open source is clear 217 00:07:48,090 --> 00:07:50,519 principles and guidelines open. 218 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,139 I will go through it quite quickly 219 00:07:52,140 --> 00:07:53,489 because I mentioned some of them already 220 00:07:53,490 --> 00:07:54,719 before. 221 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,309 Open source. 222 00:07:56,310 --> 00:07:57,310 That's for sure, 223 00:07:58,530 --> 00:07:59,589 should be versatile. 224 00:07:59,590 --> 00:08:01,439 Again, I'm repeating myself in this case 225 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,359 because this is very important. 226 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,309 If you would like to have something, what 227 00:08:05,310 --> 00:08:07,409 last? So 228 00:08:07,410 --> 00:08:09,059 many of the devices, both today, as you 229 00:08:09,060 --> 00:08:11,519 know, they do not last for 230 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,979 very long and it is hard to improve 231 00:08:13,980 --> 00:08:15,479 them. They are designed later. 232 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:16,769 We would like to do something. 233 00:08:16,770 --> 00:08:19,649 What is the opposite, 234 00:08:19,650 --> 00:08:21,169 environmentally friendly that something 235 00:08:21,170 --> 00:08:23,069 we hope and we would like to work 236 00:08:23,070 --> 00:08:24,089 towards. 237 00:08:24,090 --> 00:08:26,039 But let's be honest, at the beginning, we 238 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,599 will have to definitely make compromises 239 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,489 on that because that's, you know, 240 00:08:29,490 --> 00:08:31,109 beautiful future. 241 00:08:31,110 --> 00:08:33,298 But the road towards that is quite pretty 242 00:08:33,299 --> 00:08:35,509 tough with the current, you know, 243 00:08:35,510 --> 00:08:37,859 setup now project 244 00:08:37,860 --> 00:08:40,558 continuity. This means as 245 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,538 most of the people believe, if they like 246 00:08:42,539 --> 00:08:43,859 something and they would like to see it 247 00:08:43,860 --> 00:08:46,769 grow, it should have the future. 248 00:08:46,770 --> 00:08:48,689 So that's part of it. 249 00:08:48,690 --> 00:08:50,729 Well, again, I have to confirm the 250 00:08:50,730 --> 00:08:53,240 wireless network, interestingly. 251 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,299 Next slide I 252 00:08:57,300 --> 00:08:59,669 will quickly talk about what I mentioned 253 00:08:59,670 --> 00:09:01,859 with others in this 254 00:09:01,860 --> 00:09:04,019 case, mostly in South Korea, where I 255 00:09:04,020 --> 00:09:06,269 build basically a first functional 256 00:09:06,270 --> 00:09:08,739 prototype under 257 00:09:08,740 --> 00:09:11,279 the defunding of the academy, 258 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,619 which is a brewing facility 259 00:09:13,620 --> 00:09:15,059 education center of the Kilvey 260 00:09:15,060 --> 00:09:16,379 University. 261 00:09:16,380 --> 00:09:19,739 If I simplify it, I use Arduino 262 00:09:19,740 --> 00:09:21,299 with the help of electronic engineer. 263 00:09:21,300 --> 00:09:23,399 We make it nicely work, measuring the 264 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,769 temperature and switch on 265 00:09:25,770 --> 00:09:28,079 off a basically year circulation 266 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,149 system which make our 267 00:09:30,150 --> 00:09:32,579 incubator heat up the 268 00:09:32,580 --> 00:09:34,679 box to up to 269 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:36,669 42 degrees. 270 00:09:36,670 --> 00:09:38,849 Cooling was unfortunately not a 271 00:09:38,850 --> 00:09:40,949 success in this case, so he could 272 00:09:40,950 --> 00:09:42,779 go up. We could go down 273 00:09:44,850 --> 00:09:46,500 concerning this. 274 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,009 I like that it worked 275 00:09:50,010 --> 00:09:52,319 even for weeks, so it was quite 276 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:53,699 disturbing. 277 00:09:53,700 --> 00:09:55,859 It fermented what I needed, 278 00:09:55,860 --> 00:09:58,049 saw or achieved things which I 279 00:09:58,050 --> 00:09:59,159 like. 280 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,529 I wonder what I do wrong in this case, 281 00:10:01,530 --> 00:10:02,530 and 282 00:10:03,830 --> 00:10:05,939 what I didn't like 283 00:10:05,940 --> 00:10:08,309 was, again, the heating 284 00:10:08,310 --> 00:10:09,869 and cooling. 285 00:10:09,870 --> 00:10:12,179 I didn't like that. 286 00:10:12,180 --> 00:10:14,309 The electronic part was not 287 00:10:14,310 --> 00:10:15,449 due out. 288 00:10:15,450 --> 00:10:17,219 It was not basically recorded, documented 289 00:10:17,220 --> 00:10:19,409 in a way which would be easy to replicate 290 00:10:19,410 --> 00:10:20,849 in this case. I'm really grateful for the 291 00:10:20,850 --> 00:10:22,679 help, but it was basically all the wires 292 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:24,929 around for me, for example, repeated not 293 00:10:24,930 --> 00:10:26,669 the slightest chance as to kind of not 294 00:10:26,670 --> 00:10:28,889 very advanced. 295 00:10:28,890 --> 00:10:31,499 So that was the short form. 296 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:33,959 Now we have moved forward 297 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,709 and the. 298 00:10:35,710 --> 00:10:37,809 Many thanks to this 299 00:10:37,810 --> 00:10:39,909 movement, to our but instead of the 300 00:10:39,910 --> 00:10:42,039 Mate 30 years ago and we talk about 301 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,289 this, I would say the 302 00:10:44,290 --> 00:10:46,449 for some time and in the last year 303 00:10:46,450 --> 00:10:48,909 we started to relay progress. 304 00:10:48,910 --> 00:10:50,749 So I would like to now ask him about 305 00:10:50,750 --> 00:10:52,659 talking the more difficult details, which 306 00:10:52,660 --> 00:10:54,759 I said, Biotechnologies, I'm going to 307 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,039 do. And he has some knowledge 308 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,079 which I'm missing, and I think that 309 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,329 there's a big chance for the contribution 310 00:11:01,330 --> 00:11:03,429 on this side and positive about 311 00:11:03,430 --> 00:11:03,819 it. 312 00:11:03,820 --> 00:11:05,049 Thank you. 313 00:11:05,050 --> 00:11:06,189 Can everybody hear me? Yeah. 314 00:11:06,190 --> 00:11:07,089 Works fine. 315 00:11:07,090 --> 00:11:09,249 Perfect. So 316 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:11,439 we've been philosophizing a lot about 317 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,849 how to build something up that you can 318 00:11:12,850 --> 00:11:14,919 replicate easily across the world without 319 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,269 too many things that you need to put 320 00:11:16,270 --> 00:11:19,419 together as a non technologist. 321 00:11:19,420 --> 00:11:21,099 There's a lot of people spread out that 322 00:11:21,100 --> 00:11:23,049 are doing slow cooking fermentation, et 323 00:11:23,050 --> 00:11:24,519 cetera. And the only thing that they 324 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,439 really want to do is get something to 325 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,569 brew and they don't want to be stuck 326 00:11:28,570 --> 00:11:30,639 trying to shoulder a one 327 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,709 hundred and forty four pin FPGA 328 00:11:32,710 --> 00:11:35,449 type thing on a on an SSD board. 329 00:11:35,450 --> 00:11:37,029 It's very strange how people don't like 330 00:11:37,030 --> 00:11:38,349 that type of stuff. 331 00:11:38,350 --> 00:11:40,809 So what we did, 332 00:11:40,810 --> 00:11:43,059 we devised a way of starting 333 00:11:43,060 --> 00:11:45,399 something out that is really 334 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,479 easy for people to get into and 335 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,169 then move forward when it's needed. 336 00:11:50,170 --> 00:11:52,329 If you could put the video 337 00:11:52,330 --> 00:11:54,399 feed of the camera on the screen, 338 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:55,400 please. 339 00:11:56,290 --> 00:11:58,659 Yeah. Perfect. So this little, very 340 00:11:58,660 --> 00:12:00,789 non charming device is 341 00:12:00,790 --> 00:12:02,499 currently where we stand. 342 00:12:02,500 --> 00:12:04,569 I will show the league 343 00:12:04,570 --> 00:12:06,789 Atari Arduino board that everybody 344 00:12:06,790 --> 00:12:08,979 has laying in their door 345 00:12:08,980 --> 00:12:10,119 by now. 346 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,159 There is a really, really great little 347 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,289 board by the guys from 348 00:12:14,290 --> 00:12:16,449 Def Robot, which 349 00:12:16,450 --> 00:12:17,450 is upside down. 350 00:12:18,190 --> 00:12:19,929 It's a little LCD panel. 351 00:12:19,930 --> 00:12:21,969 It has a couple of switches on it, which 352 00:12:21,970 --> 00:12:24,279 you can buy for around nine dollars 353 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,079 on eBay or somewhere else. 354 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:26,979 It's well documented. 355 00:12:26,980 --> 00:12:28,479 There are libraries available that will 356 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,369 allow you to interact with the LCD and 357 00:12:30,370 --> 00:12:32,499 the keyboard in such a way that 358 00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:34,569 you will have menus that you can 359 00:12:34,570 --> 00:12:35,850 go down through, etc.. 360 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,319 And then there is a very, very simple 361 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,359 board, which is the thing that people 362 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,879 will have to put together by themselves. 363 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,459 Now this board will basically 364 00:12:45,460 --> 00:12:46,460 connect 365 00:12:48,250 --> 00:12:50,589 a temperature probe. 366 00:12:50,590 --> 00:12:52,269 Many people might know this. 367 00:12:52,270 --> 00:12:54,369 This is an encapsulated version of the 368 00:12:54,370 --> 00:12:56,589 Dallas one wire 369 00:12:56,590 --> 00:12:58,330 18 to 370 00:12:59,380 --> 00:13:01,239 20 s or something like that. 371 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,649 I don't know exactly, but you'll find 372 00:13:02,650 --> 00:13:04,539 them everywhere. There are around $4 by 373 00:13:04,540 --> 00:13:05,439 now. 374 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,209 This one is sealed, so you can actually 375 00:13:07,210 --> 00:13:09,399 put it into a fluid, which is great for 376 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,019 fermentation. 377 00:13:11,020 --> 00:13:12,729 We put a plug on the back. 378 00:13:12,730 --> 00:13:14,169 You can put any kind of plug on there 379 00:13:14,170 --> 00:13:16,329 that you want, but it basically allows 380 00:13:16,330 --> 00:13:18,429 you to use this little prototype board 381 00:13:18,430 --> 00:13:20,499 that you buy for two lot two dollars for 382 00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:21,789 the PCB. 383 00:13:21,790 --> 00:13:22,959 A couple of headers. 384 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,159 A couple of jack plugs. 385 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,149 A couple of resistors. 386 00:13:25,150 --> 00:13:26,739 And then you basically have an 387 00:13:26,740 --> 00:13:28,869 infrastructure that will allow you to 388 00:13:28,870 --> 00:13:31,209 use an Arduino to drive 389 00:13:31,210 --> 00:13:33,309 an LCD that you control via 390 00:13:33,310 --> 00:13:35,409 a couple of buttons and that can measure 391 00:13:35,410 --> 00:13:37,569 temperature. Next step, of course, is to 392 00:13:37,570 --> 00:13:40,239 drive some kind of thing that overheats 393 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:41,739 or cools. 394 00:13:41,740 --> 00:13:44,349 That in itself is also a solid 395 00:13:44,350 --> 00:13:45,909 solution. 396 00:13:45,910 --> 00:13:48,549 This is, 397 00:13:48,550 --> 00:13:50,619 some people might know it's 398 00:13:50,620 --> 00:13:52,179 a solid state relay. 399 00:13:52,180 --> 00:13:54,519 These devices have come down a lot 400 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,369 in in price recently. 401 00:13:57,370 --> 00:13:59,919 This will set you back about six dollars. 402 00:14:01,420 --> 00:14:04,269 It has a connection for 403 00:14:04,270 --> 00:14:05,859 two hundred and forty volts or one 404 00:14:05,860 --> 00:14:07,029 hundred and twenty volts, depending on 405 00:14:07,030 --> 00:14:09,099 where you buy it and what you use it for 406 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:11,169 on one side and the other side takes 407 00:14:11,170 --> 00:14:13,449 five volts inputs that allows 408 00:14:13,450 --> 00:14:15,789 you to drive high current 409 00:14:15,790 --> 00:14:17,709 twenty five amp current. 410 00:14:17,710 --> 00:14:20,169 In this case, with a device that six 411 00:14:20,170 --> 00:14:22,749 euros, it's optically isolated. 412 00:14:22,750 --> 00:14:24,879 So if anything, spills on one side 413 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,949 and you short circuit your heater or 414 00:14:26,950 --> 00:14:29,169 your fridge or whatever your other 415 00:14:29,170 --> 00:14:31,059 side is still safe. So you already know 416 00:14:31,060 --> 00:14:33,189 connected to your laptop will not fry 417 00:14:33,190 --> 00:14:34,989 the rest of your system. 418 00:14:34,990 --> 00:14:37,209 You encase this in a little 419 00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:39,309 box so that it 420 00:14:39,310 --> 00:14:41,709 basically allows you to just plug it in. 421 00:14:41,710 --> 00:14:43,179 Oh, sorry. 422 00:14:43,180 --> 00:14:44,889 And on the side is the connector that 423 00:14:44,890 --> 00:14:47,379 leads to the prototype PCB. 424 00:14:47,380 --> 00:14:49,539 This is just one way of building it, 425 00:14:49,540 --> 00:14:51,069 and the only thing that I haven't shown 426 00:14:51,070 --> 00:14:53,589 yet is another component that we deemed 427 00:14:53,590 --> 00:14:55,659 important enough, which is 428 00:14:55,660 --> 00:14:57,879 going to be a premade little 429 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,949 board that is fresh in 430 00:14:59,950 --> 00:15:01,029 its shrink wrapping. 431 00:15:01,030 --> 00:15:02,379 There we go. 432 00:15:02,380 --> 00:15:03,579 This is a really nice one. 433 00:15:03,580 --> 00:15:05,259 Also from the guys from Dave Robot. 434 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,109 This is a device 435 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,229 which has a real time clock, 436 00:15:11,230 --> 00:15:12,459 an RTC on it. 437 00:15:12,460 --> 00:15:14,829 You can see it a little crystal on there, 438 00:15:14,830 --> 00:15:17,259 which will allow the device to know 439 00:15:17,260 --> 00:15:20,079 what time of day it is, even when 440 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,569 it's being unplugged. 441 00:15:22,570 --> 00:15:24,639 There's a battery connector on the 442 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,979 back that allows you to be able to 443 00:15:26,980 --> 00:15:28,719 unplug the device, put it somewhere else 444 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,579 in the room, then plug it in and it will 445 00:15:30,580 --> 00:15:32,679 still, no, oh yeah, I wasn't in 446 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,389 this fermentation for free days. 447 00:15:34,390 --> 00:15:35,799 It's now. 448 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,439 This date, so I don't have to continue. 449 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,389 From the beginning, I know where I was in 450 00:15:40,390 --> 00:15:42,549 my fermentation process, an apron on 451 00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:44,559 it so you can store all kinds of programs 452 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:45,759 and all of our information about the 453 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,439 fermentation that you're doing. 454 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,049 The basic idea is to use 455 00:15:50,050 --> 00:15:52,419 and leverage in an amount of knowledge 456 00:15:52,420 --> 00:15:54,879 and libraries that are available 457 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,579 for these devices and these boards 458 00:15:57,580 --> 00:15:58,989 in the Arduino space. 459 00:15:58,990 --> 00:16:01,179 Currently, it is not 460 00:16:01,180 --> 00:16:03,159 maybe the intention to stick with the 461 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,289 Arduino if the Arduino is too 462 00:16:05,290 --> 00:16:07,929 constricting or too too 463 00:16:07,930 --> 00:16:09,789 expensive because there are cheaper 464 00:16:09,790 --> 00:16:11,409 devices out there. 465 00:16:11,410 --> 00:16:13,269 But as a way of making a prototype that 466 00:16:13,270 --> 00:16:15,399 people can replicate easily and order 467 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,559 the parts for all across the world, 468 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,629 there seems to be the best choice 469 00:16:19,630 --> 00:16:20,630 for now. 470 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,530 So with that in mind, 471 00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:26,619 we've documented a lot of what 472 00:16:26,620 --> 00:16:29,019 we've did already on a wiki. 473 00:16:29,020 --> 00:16:30,939 It's not on your slides. 474 00:16:30,940 --> 00:16:32,859 I think that you put it in your slides. 475 00:16:32,860 --> 00:16:33,880 Not right. So 476 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:36,849 I can name the name. 477 00:16:36,850 --> 00:16:39,189 It's Wiki Dot Tech Inc Dot and all. 478 00:16:39,190 --> 00:16:41,649 It's related to our hackerspace. 479 00:16:41,650 --> 00:16:44,529 I will supply people who are interested 480 00:16:44,530 --> 00:16:45,579 with the URL. 481 00:16:45,580 --> 00:16:47,529 In particular, if you if you search for 482 00:16:47,530 --> 00:16:49,749 fermentation, you will 483 00:16:49,750 --> 00:16:52,539 find the project page and it has 484 00:16:52,540 --> 00:16:54,219 all these parts there where you can buy 485 00:16:54,220 --> 00:16:56,409 them what they will set you back 486 00:16:56,410 --> 00:16:58,599 and the libraries that you can use 487 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,969 readily made that allow you to interact 488 00:17:00,970 --> 00:17:03,219 with these parts and build 489 00:17:03,220 --> 00:17:04,598 an interface. 490 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:06,669 The next step up, we have 491 00:17:06,670 --> 00:17:08,318 a little bit of software already that 492 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:09,459 measures temperature, et cetera, et 493 00:17:09,460 --> 00:17:11,318 cetera. But the next step is to make a 494 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:12,848 little interfacing library that will 495 00:17:12,849 --> 00:17:15,009 allow you to be able to say, OK, I just 496 00:17:15,010 --> 00:17:15,969 want to know the temperature of 497 00:17:15,970 --> 00:17:17,019 temperature sensor one. 498 00:17:17,020 --> 00:17:18,399 I don't care. And what pin it is 499 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,139 connected. I don't care if it's an 500 00:17:20,140 --> 00:17:22,479 Arduino or beagle bone or a Raspberry Pi, 501 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,309 and in the future, I just want something 502 00:17:24,310 --> 00:17:26,469 that, you know, takes the pain 503 00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:27,368 of programing out of it. 504 00:17:27,369 --> 00:17:29,469 Because the end result of this 505 00:17:29,470 --> 00:17:31,479 stage should be that we can have some 506 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,089 software software, not hardware, 507 00:17:34,090 --> 00:17:36,939 but software tech savvy people 508 00:17:36,940 --> 00:17:38,859 who are into fermentation or slow cooking 509 00:17:38,860 --> 00:17:41,079 or beer brewing, able to 510 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,209 program a device which will safely 511 00:17:43,210 --> 00:17:45,909 let them switch things like 220 512 00:17:45,910 --> 00:17:48,099 volts or pelchat elements and 513 00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:50,229 allow them to create 514 00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:52,539 programs for the fermentation 515 00:17:52,540 --> 00:17:54,459 itself. So a schedule like you should 516 00:17:54,460 --> 00:17:56,859 heat it for 30 minutes or two days, 517 00:17:56,860 --> 00:17:58,809 and then you should cool it down. 518 00:17:58,810 --> 00:18:00,459 It depends on the type of brew that you 519 00:18:00,460 --> 00:18:02,529 want to do and how complex you 520 00:18:02,530 --> 00:18:04,689 want to make it what you 521 00:18:04,690 --> 00:18:06,099 want to do in those programs. 522 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:08,499 So there might be presets that we allow 523 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:10,329 people to make and ship all across the 524 00:18:10,330 --> 00:18:12,159 world for the other devices. 525 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,959 But this is basically what this platform 526 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,819 is for the end result. 527 00:18:15,820 --> 00:18:17,799 The final product will probably be a 528 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,719 completely different form factor. 529 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,609 So that's where we are right now. 530 00:18:21,610 --> 00:18:23,649 I think that is all I can say on the 531 00:18:23,650 --> 00:18:25,809 hardware side. Apart from one little 532 00:18:25,810 --> 00:18:28,149 bit, Lars has been really 533 00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:30,339 helpful in doing pioneering 534 00:18:30,340 --> 00:18:32,209 work on elements. 535 00:18:32,210 --> 00:18:34,329 So this is a fermentation 536 00:18:34,330 --> 00:18:35,799 box and incubator box. 537 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,929 It's basically a Styrofoam box, and 538 00:18:37,930 --> 00:18:40,149 this has a little 539 00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:41,150 sorry. 540 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,119 It has a great, uh, 541 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,200 this has a great 542 00:18:46,990 --> 00:18:49,119 pelchat element in the middle, and 543 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:50,589 the Pelchat element is called on both 544 00:18:50,590 --> 00:18:51,939 sides. 545 00:18:51,940 --> 00:18:54,009 Or yeah, the heat transfer 546 00:18:54,010 --> 00:18:55,689 is done on both sides by cooling 547 00:18:55,690 --> 00:18:58,809 elements. These are just CPU coolers, 548 00:18:58,810 --> 00:19:01,959 and it allows you to take the heat 549 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,239 out of your fermentation 550 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,399 and into the outside world or 551 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:07,479 the other way around. 552 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,119 The the Styrofoam case 553 00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:12,909 would, in this case, be here. 554 00:19:12,910 --> 00:19:15,099 And then basically a belch element allows 555 00:19:15,100 --> 00:19:16,779 you to transfer heat from one side to the 556 00:19:16,780 --> 00:19:18,759 other in both directions, either 557 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,979 direction by putting 558 00:19:20,980 --> 00:19:23,379 the plus or the minus on different poles 559 00:19:23,380 --> 00:19:24,309 of the device. 560 00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:26,949 Very nice piece of magic technology, 561 00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:29,139 and this is a great little object 562 00:19:29,140 --> 00:19:31,899 that will allow you to displace about. 563 00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:34,029 I think the effectivity is not that much, 564 00:19:34,030 --> 00:19:36,429 but probably 30 watts of energy, 565 00:19:36,430 --> 00:19:38,679 at least at 60 watts inputs. 566 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,869 But that's 567 00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:43,239 that can be used because in some places, 568 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,189 keeping something warm is actually not 569 00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:47,349 the problem. Keeping something cool when 570 00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:48,939 it's getting overheated, like in South 571 00:19:48,940 --> 00:19:51,039 Korea, is actually the challenge. 572 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,229 Here in Germany, it's probably likely the 573 00:19:53,230 --> 00:19:54,309 other way around. 574 00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:56,619 So these types of devices solve that, 575 00:19:56,620 --> 00:19:58,719 and an abstraction layer in 576 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,819 the software will allow you to choose 577 00:20:00,820 --> 00:20:02,469 between all kinds of scenarios where you 578 00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:04,689 might have active cooling, passive 579 00:20:04,690 --> 00:20:07,029 cooling, either solid 580 00:20:07,030 --> 00:20:09,309 state relays to drive a fridge 581 00:20:09,310 --> 00:20:11,409 or heater, or you can use a 582 00:20:11,410 --> 00:20:13,629 pelchat element where you drive 583 00:20:13,630 --> 00:20:15,699 the voltage up or down and then 584 00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:16,779 core heat. 585 00:20:16,780 --> 00:20:18,849 So that's the status right now. 586 00:20:20,370 --> 00:20:21,370 So 587 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:23,749 thank you very much. 588 00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:25,909 So this is exactly the I 589 00:20:25,910 --> 00:20:27,349 I said, 590 00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:29,400 OK, can I have this green screen? 591 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,319 Not should be, uh, on 592 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,669 the presentation comeback. 593 00:20:34,670 --> 00:20:35,670 Yes. 594 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:38,299 Yep, yep. 595 00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:39,559 And again. 596 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,659 Yes. Yeah, they're usually 597 00:20:43,310 --> 00:20:44,310 oops. 598 00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:49,329 OK, so I will have to go back where 599 00:20:49,330 --> 00:20:50,330 we have been. 600 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,010 Still, in spite of not 601 00:20:58,060 --> 00:20:59,060 trying to deny that 602 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,609 this is the next one. 603 00:21:03,610 --> 00:21:04,610 Uh huh.. 604 00:21:05,710 --> 00:21:07,379 And somehow, I don't move. 605 00:21:07,380 --> 00:21:10,089 Oh, you cannot select this slides there 606 00:21:10,090 --> 00:21:11,090 you need to go. 607 00:21:13,090 --> 00:21:15,639 OK. We are asking the father. 608 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,899 Yup, comprehend it. 609 00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:18,959 Here we go now. 610 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,159 Uh, this is going to be, 611 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,439 uh, I would say, quite 612 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,729 flexible part. 613 00:21:24,730 --> 00:21:26,919 But there are some things which we 614 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,659 ought to know and b which we are 615 00:21:28,660 --> 00:21:30,489 basically doing, and we want to have them 616 00:21:30,490 --> 00:21:32,049 done sooner better. 617 00:21:32,050 --> 00:21:34,059 But we don't want to go too fast. 618 00:21:34,060 --> 00:21:36,369 Uh, short term goals are 619 00:21:36,370 --> 00:21:38,859 we are now promoting the king 620 00:21:38,860 --> 00:21:40,209 here in a conference. 621 00:21:40,210 --> 00:21:42,309 As you can see, we have some parts 622 00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:43,989 of the done. We'll be progressing on 623 00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:45,129 that. 624 00:21:45,130 --> 00:21:46,899 After the conference, I am hitting the 625 00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:48,999 road for five weeks, 626 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,129 touring the different parts of Europe and 627 00:21:51,130 --> 00:21:52,209 across places. 628 00:21:52,210 --> 00:21:54,009 But if you're taking a tour and the 629 00:21:54,010 --> 00:21:56,199 expert, the equator is a big part of 630 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,089 that important. 631 00:21:58,090 --> 00:21:59,139 I need to do my firm. 632 00:21:59,140 --> 00:22:00,760 So it's a basic 633 00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:04,089 we would like to build around 634 00:22:04,090 --> 00:22:06,219 three incubators in different 635 00:22:06,220 --> 00:22:08,709 places and 636 00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:11,559 have them running as a prototype. 637 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,959 Find out what we did well 638 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,310 and what we did. 639 00:22:16,330 --> 00:22:18,669 So it would be actually, let's say, 640 00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:20,799 next month and a half two months 641 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,019 stage, get the three 642 00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:25,389 at least machines 643 00:22:25,390 --> 00:22:27,609 running closer to each 644 00:22:27,610 --> 00:22:29,169 other that would consider design. 645 00:22:29,170 --> 00:22:31,299 Now we would like to monitor 646 00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:33,399 temperature, so we know the temperature 647 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,619 inside and especially outside. 648 00:22:35,620 --> 00:22:37,479 You would like to do the heating so we 649 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:38,919 can control the temperature. 650 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,049 Cooling would be nice, but if things 651 00:22:41,050 --> 00:22:43,179 don't go so well, we think 652 00:22:43,180 --> 00:22:44,679 I would be happy. For now, it's been 653 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,489 great concern 654 00:22:47,490 --> 00:22:48,859 to people 655 00:22:50,350 --> 00:22:53,019 who would like to have, uh, 656 00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:55,179 three to five people at least to 657 00:22:55,180 --> 00:22:57,519 start to kind of 658 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:58,839 move it forward. 659 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,009 Things to large arm and the trust 660 00:23:01,010 --> 00:23:02,679 of other people would like to ask you in 661 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,989 the years and you know about things. 662 00:23:04,990 --> 00:23:07,119 You know, I got to improve my knowledge 663 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:08,710 and get my ideas clear. 664 00:23:10,210 --> 00:23:12,489 We are already underway at the moment. 665 00:23:12,490 --> 00:23:14,689 It looks like that a like 666 00:23:14,690 --> 00:23:17,139 dimension. The main bottleneck 667 00:23:17,140 --> 00:23:19,339 is the software that something 668 00:23:19,340 --> 00:23:20,739 with the programing code. 669 00:23:20,740 --> 00:23:22,089 That's something I think what really will 670 00:23:22,090 --> 00:23:24,279 be the challenging part of the 671 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,349 next, let's say, or 672 00:23:26,350 --> 00:23:27,279 two. 673 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,469 So definitely we would like to get 674 00:23:29,470 --> 00:23:31,959 someone who is either interested 675 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,609 in fermentation as programmer or its 676 00:23:33,610 --> 00:23:35,679 programmer, interested in fermentation, 677 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,239 just kind of the combination of someone 678 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:37,839 who would like to 679 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,239 join and think, 680 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,319 how much more? 681 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,759 Six. OK. 682 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,829 So we would like to 683 00:23:44,830 --> 00:23:46,909 do something, you know, some medium sized 684 00:23:46,910 --> 00:23:47,910 experiment Typekit, 685 00:23:49,150 --> 00:23:51,249 which you can basically get it 686 00:23:51,250 --> 00:23:53,019 kind of functions like to do well 687 00:23:53,020 --> 00:23:54,039 together. 688 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,629 The heating cooling, that's kind of 689 00:23:55,630 --> 00:23:57,910 something that would be later on. 690 00:23:58,990 --> 00:24:00,879 How long does it take? It's a question, 691 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,259 if you can see that this is, let's say, 692 00:24:02,260 --> 00:24:04,689 2014. So the next year, 693 00:24:04,690 --> 00:24:06,170 I would like to suggest 694 00:24:07,270 --> 00:24:10,359 some crowdsourcing campaign to basically 695 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:12,279 get us started to get some funds. 696 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,809 So we have actually money which we can 697 00:24:13,810 --> 00:24:16,269 spend on of the prototypes. 698 00:24:16,270 --> 00:24:18,789 And I am always, you know, for 699 00:24:18,790 --> 00:24:21,189 getting basically some support 700 00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:22,209 just, you know, for people who are 701 00:24:22,210 --> 00:24:23,229 working on the projects. 702 00:24:23,230 --> 00:24:25,299 Because if you don't work on what you 703 00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:27,399 kind of like a lot, 704 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,169 you have to work on something else and 705 00:24:29,170 --> 00:24:30,469 working just for the money. 706 00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:33,099 It's not, I think, the best option 707 00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:34,100 now. 708 00:24:34,660 --> 00:24:36,369 We need to grow as a group. 709 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:38,919 That's something with the city of 710 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,929 Portland, and I would like to really 711 00:24:40,930 --> 00:24:42,879 promote and keep the group, at least for 712 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,199 some time together. 713 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,509 Maritimes, things kind of get thrown in 714 00:24:46,510 --> 00:24:48,279 splits, split new things, you know, 715 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,449 people would like to do something 716 00:24:49,450 --> 00:24:50,859 different, you know, kind of way. 717 00:24:50,860 --> 00:24:51,759 Fine with me. 718 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,379 But I think for this first year or two, 719 00:24:53,380 --> 00:24:55,629 it'd be really nice to keep the 720 00:24:55,630 --> 00:24:58,089 team together and kind of working on 721 00:24:58,090 --> 00:24:59,409 one kind of thing. 722 00:24:59,410 --> 00:25:01,749 Now, softer, considered the softer 723 00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:03,519 there's person I did something with. 724 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,009 You mentioned already long term goals 725 00:25:06,010 --> 00:25:08,109 for 2015 after 726 00:25:08,110 --> 00:25:09,699 this is something kind of a little bit of 727 00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:11,829 kind of a hope and the 728 00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:12,830 desire. 729 00:25:14,530 --> 00:25:16,089 I would like to keep this a kind of 730 00:25:16,090 --> 00:25:18,409 open-source platform, you know, something 731 00:25:18,410 --> 00:25:20,169 that some device which can be taken 732 00:25:20,170 --> 00:25:21,669 forward, it can be improved. 733 00:25:21,670 --> 00:25:23,859 I seems to me that the 734 00:25:23,860 --> 00:25:26,499 really of the open source allows 735 00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:28,479 a really beautiful growth of many 736 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,619 wonderful products. 737 00:25:29,620 --> 00:25:31,719 So I because I believe no puzzles and 738 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,209 I see the feasibility and kind of 739 00:25:34,210 --> 00:25:36,489 progress on many projects out 740 00:25:36,490 --> 00:25:38,049 as you keep it there. 741 00:25:38,050 --> 00:25:39,069 So defensive for that. 742 00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:42,249 Uh, I 743 00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:44,619 would like to invite also people 744 00:25:44,620 --> 00:25:47,139 if they have time on this conference 745 00:25:47,140 --> 00:25:49,479 to pop in for a few days and see actually 746 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,729 a prototype, which 747 00:25:51,730 --> 00:25:53,679 is now in this form of cooling. 748 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,149 So doing exactly the. 749 00:25:55,150 --> 00:25:57,399 Farted in our place, he had ordered that 750 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,109 on, all men work well. 751 00:25:59,110 --> 00:26:01,959 So if you like to see stop in action, 752 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,029 these scum and I already got 753 00:26:04,030 --> 00:26:05,829 a pension in think campaign in the 754 00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:08,139 future, we will be hitting 755 00:26:08,140 --> 00:26:09,939 the road and getting resources. 756 00:26:09,940 --> 00:26:11,769 So just to make the point clear, short 757 00:26:11,770 --> 00:26:13,659 term goals next two months three. 758 00:26:13,660 --> 00:26:14,619 Expand the greatness. 759 00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:17,189 Let's say, build up to that. 760 00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:19,299 We would like to focus differently in 761 00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:21,399 a more and more softer and more 762 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,769 diverse. And that crowdsourcing 763 00:26:23,770 --> 00:26:26,109 campaign long term kind of project 764 00:26:26,110 --> 00:26:27,339 would come together. 765 00:26:27,340 --> 00:26:28,929 We will see how exactly I would like to 766 00:26:28,930 --> 00:26:30,579 ask before, you know? 767 00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:33,159 Well, yeah. 768 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,929 So I have the parts for four of these 769 00:26:34,930 --> 00:26:35,930 devices with me, 770 00:26:37,420 --> 00:26:39,649 minus one solid state relays, 771 00:26:39,650 --> 00:26:40,899 which we should be able to pick up 772 00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:41,919 anywhere. 773 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,199 I believe the cost worked out around 774 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,269 thirty five euros for the whole thing. 775 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,809 If you're interested in in dropping 776 00:26:49,810 --> 00:26:51,909 in into this project and you'd like to 777 00:26:51,910 --> 00:26:52,910 have a base 778 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,469 prototype available to work with, please 779 00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:58,599 contact us at the full docking base 780 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,479 or attacking. We are the ones with the 781 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,189 Leiby fireplace on the first floor. 782 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,029 Ask for me and 783 00:27:07,030 --> 00:27:08,379 we will help you out. 784 00:27:08,380 --> 00:27:11,349 Uh, some of the devices we will have to 785 00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:13,569 move to other hackerspaces around 786 00:27:13,570 --> 00:27:15,279 Europe when you're doing the tour, but 787 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,899 one or two are available for real 788 00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:18,819 enthusiasts who want to drop in. 789 00:27:18,820 --> 00:27:21,069 We'll get you up with a development 790 00:27:21,070 --> 00:27:23,229 set of libraries and reference 791 00:27:23,230 --> 00:27:25,359 material that we have, and 792 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,219 you should be able to get going. 793 00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:29,859 I think that's great. 794 00:27:29,860 --> 00:27:30,860 And thank you for your time. 795 00:27:40,380 --> 00:27:42,619 Thank you, Ron, and thanks to our 796 00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:43,049 last 797 00:27:43,050 --> 00:27:45,030 maybe any questions from the audience 798 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,449 could maybe to the microphones 799 00:27:48,450 --> 00:27:49,450 here. Hello. 800 00:27:50,130 --> 00:27:50,529 Yeah. 801 00:27:50,530 --> 00:27:52,799 OK, you've been talking 802 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,869 about this incubator. 803 00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:56,219 I know what I would like. 804 00:27:56,220 --> 00:27:58,259 What I'm interested in is whether you've 805 00:27:58,260 --> 00:28:00,509 also thought about supporting the growth 806 00:28:00,510 --> 00:28:01,589 of plant in general. 807 00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:03,839 So food hacking, because 808 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,669 many people, I think, are interested in 809 00:28:05,670 --> 00:28:07,919 trying this out and planting their 810 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,199 own food at home and and 811 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,849 the ability to control this with 812 00:28:11,850 --> 00:28:13,949 microcontrollers is very interesting, I 813 00:28:13,950 --> 00:28:14,950 think. 814 00:28:15,390 --> 00:28:17,639 So in this project, it's 815 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,169 mostly about fermentation. 816 00:28:19,170 --> 00:28:21,179 This is also partly my own background. 817 00:28:21,180 --> 00:28:22,180 I would be brewing. 818 00:28:23,070 --> 00:28:25,199 And he, of course, is very 819 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,209 much involved in fermentation as well. 820 00:28:27,210 --> 00:28:29,369 I've done a number of things 821 00:28:29,370 --> 00:28:30,659 with aquaponics 822 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,800 running. 823 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,280 I'm sorry. 824 00:28:35,670 --> 00:28:37,859 Oh, I can't, because it's a clip on like 825 00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:39,959 I am as close as I can be. 826 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,339 Can you hear me? 827 00:28:41,340 --> 00:28:44,189 So basically, 828 00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:46,589 I've done some work on the aquaponics 829 00:28:46,590 --> 00:28:47,590 control systems. 830 00:28:48,750 --> 00:28:51,119 Basically, this could be used 831 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,279 greatly for the same purpose, but you 832 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,689 would have to do a completely different 833 00:28:54,690 --> 00:28:55,619 code base. 834 00:28:55,620 --> 00:28:56,849 But the device can do it. 835 00:28:56,850 --> 00:28:59,039 It's it's not much different the type 836 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,329 of requirements that you have. 837 00:29:01,530 --> 00:29:03,149 You might want to do some extra sensors, 838 00:29:03,150 --> 00:29:04,150 but that's it. 839 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,739 You know, I have a question for 840 00:29:09,740 --> 00:29:10,740 Frantisek. 841 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,789 You mentioned a few times that you're a 842 00:29:13,790 --> 00:29:16,909 biotechnology just so, 843 00:29:16,910 --> 00:29:18,979 you know, fermenting beer 844 00:29:18,980 --> 00:29:21,359 and other things 845 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,869 is relatively harmless. 846 00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:26,419 But do you see 847 00:29:26,420 --> 00:29:29,269 this as a device where 848 00:29:29,270 --> 00:29:31,669 I know there is a biotechnology hacking 849 00:29:31,670 --> 00:29:34,549 movement, at least in the U.S., 850 00:29:34,550 --> 00:29:37,339 where you would actually ferment 851 00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:39,739 genetically modified organisms? 852 00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:42,289 And do you think that you should 853 00:29:42,290 --> 00:29:45,169 at least put in a word of caution 854 00:29:45,170 --> 00:29:46,279 that this is 855 00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:49,519 a self-replicating biohazard 856 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,039 that you that 857 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,169 could do interesting things to the world 858 00:29:54,170 --> 00:29:56,059 if you flush them down the toilet? 859 00:29:56,060 --> 00:29:57,740 And you probably need 860 00:29:58,790 --> 00:30:01,639 to refer people to Bill Joyce 861 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,979 talk and article 862 00:30:03,980 --> 00:30:04,939 in Wired magazine. 863 00:30:04,940 --> 00:30:07,129 Why the future doesn't need us 864 00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:08,869 pointing out some of these things. 865 00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:11,029 So I would like to know what your 866 00:30:11,030 --> 00:30:12,139 position on that is. 867 00:30:12,140 --> 00:30:13,309 Thank you. 868 00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:14,419 Thank you for the question. 869 00:30:14,420 --> 00:30:16,579 It's kind of an interesting one 870 00:30:16,580 --> 00:30:17,719 in this case. 871 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,789 I have to say that I'm trying to to 872 00:30:19,790 --> 00:30:22,099 avoid the GM or kind of, you know, 873 00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:24,349 discussions, partly because my 874 00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:25,519 background is actually genetic 875 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,929 engineering of plants. 876 00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:29,419 So I had to go through this things 877 00:30:29,420 --> 00:30:31,609 in my time quite deeply. 878 00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:32,749 Just to answer quickly. 879 00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:35,209 This device is 880 00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:37,219 one of the part of basic, but it's 881 00:30:37,220 --> 00:30:39,439 basically variable, so you can 882 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,869 actually use it for 883 00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:42,769 whatever you want. 884 00:30:42,770 --> 00:30:44,899 If you want to do GMO, you'll be able 885 00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:46,489 to do GMO. If you would like to do 886 00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:48,709 natural occurring microbes 887 00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:51,079 basically growing, then you can do that 888 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,609 from my point of view, just to kind of 889 00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:54,739 say my opinion on the so you can use it 890 00:30:54,740 --> 00:30:56,869 for proposals which you decide 891 00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:58,519 the responsibility is on your side. 892 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,589 Of course, it's also hard on my 893 00:31:00,590 --> 00:31:02,029 side to develop something that you can 894 00:31:02,030 --> 00:31:02,929 use for its purpose. 895 00:31:02,930 --> 00:31:05,419 As I understand today, just to say 896 00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:06,420 simply 897 00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:09,949 GMO from my point of view, and 898 00:31:09,950 --> 00:31:12,619 I believe that they are future. 899 00:31:12,620 --> 00:31:14,779 But I definitely do 900 00:31:14,780 --> 00:31:17,299 not believe they are our future. 901 00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:19,759 But this nice future in the hands 902 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,949 of companies like Monsanto and 903 00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:23,809 the corporations, which I think are 904 00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:26,089 showing clearly their lack 905 00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:27,949 of respect of ethics, let's say, and 906 00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:29,689 sometimes even a human right. 907 00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:31,069 So just, you know, that's my opinion on 908 00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:33,289 that, you know, it's more obedient, so I 909 00:31:33,290 --> 00:31:34,969 hope I answer the question. 910 00:31:34,970 --> 00:31:36,139 Next up, 911 00:31:36,140 --> 00:31:37,519 one more question 912 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,419 after that. 913 00:31:38,420 --> 00:31:40,609 So you've got the 914 00:31:40,610 --> 00:31:43,009 sensors and actuation and 915 00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:45,529 sort of microprocessor level control 916 00:31:45,530 --> 00:31:46,759 figured out. 917 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,309 What about the the actual incubator 918 00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:51,259 itself? Because now you've got a heat 919 00:31:51,260 --> 00:31:53,419 source or a heat sink 920 00:31:53,420 --> 00:31:55,579 in this box that you haven't described 921 00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:57,679 at all? And what is 922 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,549 the rest of the incubator look like? 923 00:31:59,550 --> 00:32:01,219 I see you've got a design box, but I'm 924 00:32:01,220 --> 00:32:03,259 limits. It's there's a lot missing 925 00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:04,699 out, to be absolutely honest. 926 00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:07,039 I'm sorry. I forgot to add 927 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,199 two pictures of the prototype in 928 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,609 Korea. 929 00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:12,589 The basic proteomic whatever is done from 930 00:32:12,590 --> 00:32:14,659 India, MDF boards around 931 00:32:14,660 --> 00:32:16,819 so box quite sturdy, heavy, 932 00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:19,009 screwed together insertion material 933 00:32:19,010 --> 00:32:20,089 was polystyrene. 934 00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:21,559 Some proposal would be better, 935 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,049 definitely. And inside was a polyethylene 936 00:32:24,050 --> 00:32:25,879 boards for easy cleaning. 937 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,189 A lot of it has basically cut 938 00:32:28,190 --> 00:32:30,379 and the circulation system through 939 00:32:30,380 --> 00:32:33,349 the ventilators heatsink and, 940 00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:35,479 you know, the fan basically running the 941 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,379 air through. 942 00:32:36,380 --> 00:32:38,029 So for that, it should be on the on the 943 00:32:38,030 --> 00:32:40,219 slide. But more or less kind of 944 00:32:40,220 --> 00:32:42,199 if you can imagine big microwave kind of, 945 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,449 you know, more as 946 00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:46,249 they start, you know, more robust, more 947 00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:48,539 prototypes, so dark. 948 00:32:48,540 --> 00:32:50,989 So dark 949 00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:52,069 in this case. Yes. 950 00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:53,449 No. No, no, no. 951 00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:54,450 Need it. 952 00:32:54,890 --> 00:32:57,259 Well, thank you for your presentation. 953 00:32:57,260 --> 00:32:59,389 And if you 954 00:32:59,390 --> 00:33:01,459 if anyone still has questions, come 955 00:33:01,460 --> 00:33:03,529 to the WHO parking bays and ask 956 00:33:03,530 --> 00:33:05,749 the speaker to 957 00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:07,189 thank you for your time. 958 00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:08,190 Thank you.