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If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/112 Thanks! 1 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,549 Hey, I'm Nicholas Margaret, his 2 00:00:28,550 --> 00:00:30,199 friend in the world, and we are both 3 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,569 artists and programmer who will present 4 00:00:32,570 --> 00:00:33,950 the Pirates in the Map project. 5 00:00:36,170 --> 00:00:38,409 So basically the boats in the night, the 6 00:00:39,830 --> 00:00:41,999 computer program that 7 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,449 is intercepting 8 00:00:44,450 --> 00:00:47,629 the peer-to-peer flow on the BitTorrent 9 00:00:47,630 --> 00:00:48,630 networks. 10 00:00:49,290 --> 00:00:50,290 Um, 11 00:00:52,790 --> 00:00:55,069 it's it makes the inner workings 12 00:00:55,070 --> 00:00:57,499 of the BitTorrent protocol visible, 13 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:00,109 and it shows the of a growing 14 00:01:00,110 --> 00:01:01,219 digital screens. 15 00:01:03,290 --> 00:01:06,379 It's also a kind of tribute to, 16 00:01:06,380 --> 00:01:08,330 let's say, the first year in culture. 17 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,529 It offered a real physical experience 18 00:01:12,530 --> 00:01:15,169 of the information flows and 19 00:01:15,170 --> 00:01:17,119 shape the ongoing political activity of 20 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,839 the readymade audiovisual composition. 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,310 So we can show you a 22 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:24,980 quick presentation. 23 00:01:56,860 --> 00:01:57,860 Right. 24 00:02:02,620 --> 00:02:03,620 They don't. 25 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:05,640 One. 26 00:02:07,210 --> 00:02:08,210 And. 27 00:02:11,070 --> 00:02:13,229 In fact, 28 00:02:13,230 --> 00:02:14,459 the day last. 29 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:24,960 Earlier you. 30 00:02:32,770 --> 00:02:34,299 I love your work. 31 00:02:36,820 --> 00:02:37,820 Oh. 32 00:02:43,130 --> 00:02:44,130 And should. 33 00:02:49,060 --> 00:02:50,060 They 34 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,509 are so 35 00:02:55,690 --> 00:02:57,920 now this. 36 00:02:59,700 --> 00:03:00,700 This. 37 00:03:06,340 --> 00:03:07,340 I mean. 38 00:03:10,220 --> 00:03:11,220 She wants 39 00:03:12,420 --> 00:03:13,420 to. 40 00:03:14,870 --> 00:03:15,870 And. 41 00:03:19,990 --> 00:03:20,990 You. 42 00:03:23,140 --> 00:03:24,140 You 43 00:03:26,170 --> 00:03:27,170 know. 44 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,960 How long did you? 45 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:42,500 Began 46 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,199 and she had to. 47 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,200 We. 48 00:03:55,020 --> 00:03:56,020 Now 49 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:58,560 you're 50 00:04:01,860 --> 00:04:02,860 to to. 51 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:07,080 There's a lot of. 52 00:04:11,710 --> 00:04:12,710 I 53 00:04:14,170 --> 00:04:15,170 hope. 54 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:24,900 Ow, ow, 55 00:04:26,390 --> 00:04:28,550 ow, ow, ow, ow, 56 00:04:30,090 --> 00:04:32,010 ow, ow, ow. 57 00:04:38,070 --> 00:04:39,070 And. 58 00:04:43,860 --> 00:04:44,860 But 59 00:04:46,630 --> 00:04:47,630 it was. 60 00:04:49,450 --> 00:04:50,740 A lot of. 61 00:05:05,030 --> 00:05:06,919 So we'll explain a bit the technique, but 62 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,049 first, we wanted to introduce 63 00:05:09,050 --> 00:05:11,899 the context, more global context 64 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:14,689 from a multistory perspective. 65 00:05:14,690 --> 00:05:17,659 Um, this kind of approach 66 00:05:17,660 --> 00:05:19,819 already existed like, let's 67 00:05:19,820 --> 00:05:21,529 say, within the historical at the 68 00:05:21,530 --> 00:05:22,749 vanguard. 69 00:05:22,750 --> 00:05:24,949 Um, the question could be 70 00:05:24,950 --> 00:05:27,139 how can we create and show the world 71 00:05:27,140 --> 00:05:28,999 through the language and the technology 72 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,619 of our time? 73 00:05:30,620 --> 00:05:33,019 And it's something that the discovery 74 00:05:33,020 --> 00:05:35,269 of already states in 75 00:05:35,270 --> 00:05:37,669 is kind of a manifesto in 76 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:38,859 1923. 77 00:05:40,220 --> 00:05:41,220 Maybe you can read it, 78 00:05:42,620 --> 00:05:43,620 OK? 79 00:05:43,950 --> 00:05:46,009 You want me to read that, OK? 80 00:05:46,010 --> 00:05:48,289 I am machine, I'm showing you a world. 81 00:05:48,290 --> 00:05:51,349 The likes of which only I can see 82 00:05:51,350 --> 00:05:54,019 I free myself for today and forever 83 00:05:54,020 --> 00:05:56,119 from human immobility. 84 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,579 This is AI, the machine movement 85 00:05:58,580 --> 00:06:01,279 maneuvering in the chaotic movements, 86 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:03,559 recording one movement after another 87 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,439 in the most complex combinations 88 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,059 freed from the boundaries of time and 89 00:06:08,060 --> 00:06:10,279 space. I coordinate any and 90 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:12,439 all points of the universe wherever 91 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,239 I want them to be. 92 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,609 My way leads towards the creation 93 00:06:16,610 --> 00:06:19,369 of a fresh perception of the world. 94 00:06:19,370 --> 00:06:21,589 Thus, I explain in a new way 95 00:06:21,590 --> 00:06:22,940 the world unknown to you. 96 00:06:25,910 --> 00:06:28,129 So at this time, you was talking about 97 00:06:28,130 --> 00:06:29,130 the camera, 98 00:06:30,410 --> 00:06:32,449 but it's something we can extrapolate 99 00:06:32,450 --> 00:06:34,519 quite easily to contemporary 100 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:35,520 technology, 101 00:06:37,270 --> 00:06:39,769 and it's also a approach 102 00:06:39,770 --> 00:06:41,959 that has been developed 103 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,299 in other stories to be later. 104 00:06:44,300 --> 00:06:46,429 Like with the cut up, 105 00:06:46,430 --> 00:06:47,990 the latter is the Mash-Up. 106 00:06:49,550 --> 00:06:52,369 We can show more example and details. 107 00:06:52,370 --> 00:06:53,540 So, for instance, 108 00:06:55,250 --> 00:06:56,250 in the field of 109 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,289 musical cut up, 110 00:07:00,290 --> 00:07:02,659 um, a very interesting 111 00:07:02,660 --> 00:07:04,939 example is with music 112 00:07:04,940 --> 00:07:07,429 in the 60s that was 113 00:07:07,430 --> 00:07:10,519 actually, uh, cutting and pasting 114 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,469 pieces of vinyl. 115 00:07:12,470 --> 00:07:15,379 So he was constructing a composition. 116 00:07:15,380 --> 00:07:17,720 But from actually breaking 117 00:07:18,950 --> 00:07:20,509 the support to the medium, 118 00:07:21,860 --> 00:07:24,079 the musical medium and making 119 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,869 a new object and the potential 120 00:07:26,870 --> 00:07:28,399 song composition all of its 121 00:07:30,710 --> 00:07:31,609 later journals. 122 00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:32,779 While it was doing 123 00:07:34,610 --> 00:07:36,529 a little more musical 124 00:07:39,110 --> 00:07:41,239 version of this with 125 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,029 cutting and pasting symbols 126 00:07:44,030 --> 00:07:46,559 and pieces of cassettes, 127 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,649 cities and doing 128 00:07:48,650 --> 00:07:50,809 actual songs and all of it of all of 129 00:07:50,810 --> 00:07:51,889 these methods. 130 00:07:55,970 --> 00:07:57,979 The other aspect, which is even more 131 00:07:57,980 --> 00:08:00,199 related to this project, is the question 132 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,629 of working with the live 133 00:08:02,630 --> 00:08:03,630 interceptions. 134 00:08:05,030 --> 00:08:07,459 For instance, John Cage 135 00:08:08,570 --> 00:08:09,929 in his Um, 136 00:08:11,370 --> 00:08:12,619 I'm sorry. 137 00:08:12,620 --> 00:08:14,889 Um, for 138 00:08:14,890 --> 00:08:17,059 instance, John Cage in a variation. 139 00:08:17,060 --> 00:08:18,139 Seven. 140 00:08:18,140 --> 00:08:21,109 Um was using 141 00:08:21,110 --> 00:08:22,819 TV radios, and J.J. 142 00:08:22,820 --> 00:08:25,339 raconteur and the performer 143 00:08:25,340 --> 00:08:28,039 were free to switch on and off 144 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,779 this livestreams. 145 00:08:31,940 --> 00:08:34,399 More recently, Robin Rambo, 146 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,889 also known as the scanner, 147 00:08:36,890 --> 00:08:39,109 was doing a interceptions of 148 00:08:39,110 --> 00:08:41,479 phone calls and 149 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,939 use it to make concerts 150 00:08:43,940 --> 00:08:45,259 in the records and so on. 151 00:08:47,870 --> 00:08:49,939 From maybe more technical to our 152 00:08:49,940 --> 00:08:52,159 perspective, the pirates 153 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,559 in them, yeah, also refers 154 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:57,609 to larger 155 00:08:57,610 --> 00:08:59,899 major media 156 00:08:59,900 --> 00:09:02,209 culture changes that happened after 157 00:09:02,210 --> 00:09:03,210 World War Two. 158 00:09:04,050 --> 00:09:06,319 Um, the first example with 159 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,199 will be with the Xerox technique 160 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,539 from the 60s, where it allows to 161 00:09:11,540 --> 00:09:13,759 reproduce the or books, 162 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,069 images and other copyrighted 163 00:09:16,070 --> 00:09:17,070 documents. 164 00:09:19,130 --> 00:09:21,589 Um, then 165 00:09:21,590 --> 00:09:23,479 the same kind of example in the music 166 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:24,799 will be the tapes where 167 00:09:25,820 --> 00:09:28,399 it allows people to record, archive 168 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,109 and duplicate existing copyrighted 169 00:09:30,110 --> 00:09:31,110 material 170 00:09:32,630 --> 00:09:35,089 in a little closer to 171 00:09:35,090 --> 00:09:37,779 over context here. 172 00:09:37,780 --> 00:09:39,589 Uh, the crack scene 173 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,039 was quite important in that field. 174 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,259 Um, especially for the 175 00:09:45,260 --> 00:09:47,509 software and game industry where 176 00:09:47,510 --> 00:09:50,299 it allows the copyrighted material to 177 00:09:50,300 --> 00:09:52,369 spread using this 178 00:09:52,370 --> 00:09:54,619 um and later 179 00:09:54,620 --> 00:09:55,620 the network 180 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,799 and for a larger audience. 181 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,129 Um, the 182 00:10:03,130 --> 00:10:05,989 the file-sharing uh, over peer-to-peer. 183 00:10:05,990 --> 00:10:08,539 So with a technique like 184 00:10:08,540 --> 00:10:11,269 Napster, immune deterrence 185 00:10:11,270 --> 00:10:13,609 allows people to, uh, share and 186 00:10:13,610 --> 00:10:15,829 exchange, uh, a large, 187 00:10:15,830 --> 00:10:17,959 uh, categories 188 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,449 of, uh, content, images, 189 00:10:20,450 --> 00:10:22,669 uh, movies, 190 00:10:22,670 --> 00:10:24,919 PDFs, ebooks and 191 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:25,920 so on. 192 00:10:27,470 --> 00:10:29,959 So this project is somehow 193 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,059 a tribute to this kind 194 00:10:32,060 --> 00:10:34,610 of shift in content distribution. 195 00:10:38,900 --> 00:10:41,299 Um, from the Tribune's perspective, 196 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:44,839 this project. Proposed ambiguous 197 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,449 insights into peer-to-peer activity. 198 00:10:47,450 --> 00:10:49,819 It clearly refers to control 199 00:10:49,820 --> 00:10:50,960 and surveillance topics. 200 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,079 Um, the pirates 201 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,229 in the proposal were to somehow 202 00:10:57,230 --> 00:10:59,419 sit at the crossroads 203 00:10:59,420 --> 00:11:01,849 of users activity 204 00:11:01,850 --> 00:11:04,489 and it's, um, 205 00:11:04,490 --> 00:11:06,679 remind. It remains that somehow 206 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:08,959 the panopticon where the concept was 207 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,809 to allow a single watzman 208 00:11:11,810 --> 00:11:14,119 to observe all inmates 209 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,529 of an institution 210 00:11:18,470 --> 00:11:20,749 and the pirates in then also silently 211 00:11:20,750 --> 00:11:23,179 revealed the content of peer-to-peer 212 00:11:23,180 --> 00:11:25,729 file sharing. So Brendan will maybe 213 00:11:25,730 --> 00:11:26,730 continue and 214 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,349 explain, um, 215 00:11:30,350 --> 00:11:32,959 the the way it, uh, 216 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,699 refers to the black chamber. 217 00:11:34,700 --> 00:11:35,689 Mm hmm. 218 00:11:35,690 --> 00:11:37,159 So here's um. 219 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,919 So on the left, you can see, uh, 220 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,049 Louie, the 15th and then on 221 00:11:42,050 --> 00:11:44,629 the right there's, uh, Fort Meade in 222 00:11:44,630 --> 00:11:45,679 Maryland. 223 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:47,989 And in a way, you could say 224 00:11:47,990 --> 00:11:50,239 that Louie, the 15th, had his own Fort 225 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:51,829 Meade, and it was called the Cabinet 226 00:11:51,830 --> 00:11:54,319 Noir, which was the black chamber 227 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,379 where they would open the letters 228 00:11:57,380 --> 00:11:59,719 of, uh, you know, if somebody was somehow 229 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,239 a suspect or if they thought, maybe 230 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,859 this guy is hanging around with the wrong 231 00:12:03,860 --> 00:12:05,839 crowd. They wanted to know who it was. 232 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,759 So they would they had these various 233 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,219 pretty advanced for that time techniques 234 00:12:10,220 --> 00:12:12,589 of opening sealed 235 00:12:12,590 --> 00:12:15,349 letters and, uh, 236 00:12:15,350 --> 00:12:17,779 copying down what was written and then 237 00:12:17,780 --> 00:12:19,609 resealing them and sending them on so 238 00:12:19,610 --> 00:12:22,009 that the recipient wouldn't know that 239 00:12:22,010 --> 00:12:23,210 somebody was looking at their post. 240 00:12:24,530 --> 00:12:26,629 So this is one thing that, yeah, I guess 241 00:12:26,630 --> 00:12:28,879 everyone's pretty aware of now 242 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,129 in the last year, and I suppose everyone 243 00:12:31,130 --> 00:12:32,299 in this room has probably been aware of 244 00:12:32,300 --> 00:12:33,350 it for longer than that. 245 00:12:34,970 --> 00:12:37,189 Um, so it's one thing 246 00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:39,709 that in some ways has kind of 247 00:12:39,710 --> 00:12:42,349 ruined the party for BitTorrent because 248 00:12:42,350 --> 00:12:44,809 you have what 249 00:12:44,810 --> 00:12:46,819 is a very democratic principle that 250 00:12:46,820 --> 00:12:48,710 everyone participates 251 00:12:49,850 --> 00:12:51,199 equally on the network. 252 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,659 But it means that you have to 253 00:12:53,660 --> 00:12:55,459 essentially publish your IP address in 254 00:12:55,460 --> 00:12:57,319 order to participate in the swarm. 255 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,079 So certain media 256 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,389 companies and their henchmen 257 00:13:02,390 --> 00:13:05,449 have caught on to this, and 258 00:13:05,450 --> 00:13:07,189 they've developed these copyright alert 259 00:13:07,190 --> 00:13:09,349 systems. So you have one called Mark 260 00:13:09,350 --> 00:13:11,599 Monitor, which basically adjoins 261 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,789 BitTorrent networks and 262 00:13:13,790 --> 00:13:15,979 starts collecting IP addresses and 263 00:13:15,980 --> 00:13:18,199 then matching those up to 264 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,179 databases with ISPs. 265 00:13:20,180 --> 00:13:22,159 And then they send nasty letters to the 266 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,739 ISPs and try to 267 00:13:24,740 --> 00:13:27,019 then use whatever it, depending 268 00:13:27,020 --> 00:13:28,519 on which jurisdiction you're in and 269 00:13:30,350 --> 00:13:32,239 hit people with various different civil 270 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:33,240 or illegal. 271 00:13:35,530 --> 00:13:36,530 Consequences 272 00:13:37,780 --> 00:13:40,059 so the person may use the same 273 00:13:40,060 --> 00:13:42,759 security weakness, let's say, 274 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,979 and the transparency 275 00:13:44,980 --> 00:13:47,949 of most people's IP addresses 276 00:13:47,950 --> 00:13:50,079 and the transparency of the GENC 277 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,149 request on the BitTorrent protocol. 278 00:13:55,100 --> 00:13:57,169 OK, so we thought 279 00:13:57,170 --> 00:13:58,840 maybe we could make this 280 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,419 this process more transparent 281 00:14:02,420 --> 00:14:04,609 and figure out how we could 282 00:14:04,610 --> 00:14:07,009 essentially watch movies 283 00:14:07,010 --> 00:14:09,859 from the perspective of the computer. 284 00:14:09,860 --> 00:14:12,019 And so we built a sort 285 00:14:12,020 --> 00:14:14,539 of copyright surveillance machine, 286 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,109 essentially each. 287 00:14:18,110 --> 00:14:20,269 Here you see three of them there little 288 00:14:20,270 --> 00:14:22,429 Mac Minis running Linux plugged 289 00:14:22,430 --> 00:14:23,990 into video projectors, 290 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,409 and they're then plugged 291 00:14:27,410 --> 00:14:29,899 into a router connected to a standard 292 00:14:29,900 --> 00:14:31,519 DSL link. 293 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,859 And each of the Linux servers runs 294 00:14:33,860 --> 00:14:36,769 a custom torrent software. 295 00:14:36,770 --> 00:14:39,229 And in order to cover 296 00:14:39,230 --> 00:14:41,299 our own asses, as well as that 297 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:43,549 of the gallerists and people 298 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:45,619 who wanted to actually exhibit the work, 299 00:14:45,620 --> 00:14:48,139 we decided to use VPN. 300 00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:51,259 In this case, it was a predator. 301 00:14:51,260 --> 00:14:53,419 Although now that we have 302 00:14:53,420 --> 00:14:55,009 a hard time paying for it, so we switch 303 00:14:55,010 --> 00:14:57,349 to another one. But initially 304 00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:58,489 that was the idea, and it was also 305 00:14:58,490 --> 00:15:01,009 consistent because we were sourcing 306 00:15:01,010 --> 00:15:03,019 our lists of media. 307 00:15:03,020 --> 00:15:05,119 Basically, it was going down The Pirate 308 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,219 Bay's top 100 lists 309 00:15:07,220 --> 00:15:09,499 of most popular torrents. 310 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:11,749 So basically, each computer would, 311 00:15:11,750 --> 00:15:13,849 uh, download every day 312 00:15:13,850 --> 00:15:16,009 the top 100 list of 313 00:15:16,010 --> 00:15:17,869 the most shared videos, 314 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,139 and each of them would become 315 00:15:21,140 --> 00:15:23,839 a torrent server and client, 316 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,299 and it will display the Cheng's 317 00:15:27,470 --> 00:15:29,480 request as the as the go. 318 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,689 And just in case anyone 319 00:15:35,690 --> 00:15:37,579 isn't totally familiar with the 320 00:15:37,580 --> 00:15:39,709 BitTorrent protocol, I know a lot 321 00:15:39,710 --> 00:15:41,989 of people here probably aren't, 322 00:15:41,990 --> 00:15:44,119 but that when you 323 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,729 join a swarm to download a particular 324 00:15:46,730 --> 00:15:48,080 file, you get 325 00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:51,529 sort of an arbitrary list of chunks 326 00:15:51,530 --> 00:15:53,659 of the file so you don't get it in. 327 00:15:53,660 --> 00:15:55,519 You don't start downloading from the 328 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,469 first frame and go through to the end of 329 00:15:57,470 --> 00:15:58,879 the movie. You're getting things in an 330 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,169 arbitrary order. 331 00:16:00,170 --> 00:16:02,449 And if you join multiple 332 00:16:02,450 --> 00:16:05,089 forms, then it's going to be interleave. 333 00:16:05,090 --> 00:16:07,399 So that's why you're seeing 334 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:08,569 what you're seeing on the screen is 335 00:16:08,570 --> 00:16:10,699 actually exactly what's coming 336 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:12,979 down the network pipe as close 337 00:16:12,980 --> 00:16:14,510 as possible as we can get to that. 338 00:16:16,340 --> 00:16:18,679 So maybe I'll show 339 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,049 a little. This is somewhat simplified, 340 00:16:21,050 --> 00:16:24,409 but hopefully it's understandable. 341 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:26,759 So we have our individual Linux PCs, 342 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,029 they're essentially independent 343 00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:31,099 from another and 344 00:16:31,100 --> 00:16:33,200 they've got a list of the top 100 345 00:16:35,660 --> 00:16:37,789 files or torrents from the 346 00:16:37,790 --> 00:16:40,339 Pirate Bay. And they sort of randomly 347 00:16:40,340 --> 00:16:42,919 pick ones and they're downloading 348 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,379 somewhere between two and six 349 00:16:45,380 --> 00:16:46,380 at a time. 350 00:16:47,270 --> 00:16:49,519 And that's one process. 351 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,979 It's a bit of Python code 352 00:16:51,980 --> 00:16:52,980 that's using 353 00:16:56,060 --> 00:16:58,549 the BitTorrent library, 354 00:16:58,550 --> 00:17:01,009 and it's essentially keeping 355 00:17:01,010 --> 00:17:03,589 track of what's being downloaded and 356 00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:05,509 where it's coming from and then also what 357 00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:07,068 we're uploading and who were sending it 358 00:17:07,069 --> 00:17:08,328 to. 359 00:17:08,329 --> 00:17:10,818 And any time a chunk comes in, then 360 00:17:10,819 --> 00:17:12,919 it sends a message using zero 361 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,989 and queue to another 362 00:17:14,990 --> 00:17:17,239 process that the video player, 363 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,429 which is also written in Python 364 00:17:19,430 --> 00:17:21,739 using GStreamer, which then 365 00:17:21,740 --> 00:17:24,199 tries to playback this chunk 366 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,179 that we've just done to. 367 00:17:26,180 --> 00:17:27,289 That's what you see coming out the 368 00:17:27,290 --> 00:17:28,290 projection. 369 00:17:33,690 --> 00:17:35,889 OK, and then the on screen 370 00:17:35,890 --> 00:17:38,179 displays just an old school 371 00:17:38,180 --> 00:17:41,289 is the and it's um 372 00:17:41,290 --> 00:17:43,449 their input is, um, 373 00:17:43,450 --> 00:17:45,969 just the translation of the IP address 374 00:17:45,970 --> 00:17:48,099 using geo to IP. 375 00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:50,229 So we basically for each 376 00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:52,619 chunk, so the 377 00:17:52,620 --> 00:17:54,729 uh, the peer we got it from. 378 00:17:54,730 --> 00:17:56,439 And the peer we are sending it to. 379 00:18:03,630 --> 00:18:04,630 OK. 380 00:18:05,460 --> 00:18:07,829 OK, and so for us, this project 381 00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:09,959 is not so much a scientific 382 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,309 hacking or design study, 383 00:18:12,330 --> 00:18:14,849 we rather see it as an activator 384 00:18:14,850 --> 00:18:16,139 of analogies. 385 00:18:16,140 --> 00:18:17,899 Imagine a refill or a mental 386 00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:18,900 representation. 387 00:18:19,890 --> 00:18:21,419 And it's also a playground for 388 00:18:21,420 --> 00:18:23,529 experiencing today audio and video 389 00:18:23,530 --> 00:18:25,649 structures, testers or 390 00:18:25,650 --> 00:18:27,059 observers. 391 00:18:27,060 --> 00:18:30,089 And the technical aspect is the, 392 00:18:30,090 --> 00:18:32,479 let's say, a mean of approach. 393 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,219 And here and then. 394 00:18:35,220 --> 00:18:36,220 Yeah. 395 00:18:37,150 --> 00:18:39,329 But I wanted to mention that in some 396 00:18:39,330 --> 00:18:41,309 ways, it's kind of interesting. 397 00:18:41,310 --> 00:18:42,809 I mean, maybe it's because we spent way 398 00:18:42,810 --> 00:18:44,909 too much time looking at this stuff as we 399 00:18:44,910 --> 00:18:45,899 were debugging it. 400 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:47,969 But Nico, I remember one day 401 00:18:47,970 --> 00:18:50,039 we were on Skype talking 402 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,869 about this, and you mentioned that 403 00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:55,079 in terms of sort of like, you know, 404 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,389 classic film analysis stuff. 405 00:18:57,390 --> 00:18:59,429 You mentioned that in a way it was hard 406 00:18:59,430 --> 00:19:01,769 to tell the difference between the music 407 00:19:01,770 --> 00:19:03,839 video clips and the porn clips that 408 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,779 they had almost the same cinematography 409 00:19:06,780 --> 00:19:08,969 and like sort of motion and 410 00:19:08,970 --> 00:19:11,019 acting and stuff that was really weird. 411 00:19:11,020 --> 00:19:12,719 And anyway, there's a bunch of these 412 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,309 things that sort of emerge from it that 413 00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:17,159 are sometimes interesting 414 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,199 in terms of like a cultural analysis that 415 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,049 you normally wouldn't come to just by 416 00:19:22,050 --> 00:19:24,389 watching TV or whatever 417 00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:26,519 films in the conventional way. 418 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,649 The funny thing also is that there is 419 00:19:28,650 --> 00:19:30,749 very small traffic coming from 420 00:19:30,750 --> 00:19:32,849 Germany because because of 421 00:19:32,850 --> 00:19:35,159 the legislation, which is quite hard 422 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,319 here. So when when you look 423 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,259 at the GEO two IP 424 00:19:40,260 --> 00:19:42,509 address, where it's coming 425 00:19:42,510 --> 00:19:44,939 from and where it goes to, there is 426 00:19:44,940 --> 00:19:46,289 oddly no Germany 427 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,949 and the same for China 428 00:19:49,950 --> 00:19:51,599 because they are using different 429 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,039 processes. 430 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,479 For instance, you can buy 431 00:19:55,490 --> 00:19:57,909 a DVD ad 432 00:19:57,910 --> 00:20:00,089 at the corner of the street for one 433 00:20:00,090 --> 00:20:01,469 year or something. 434 00:20:01,470 --> 00:20:03,719 So they are not using as much 435 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:04,720 as we do. 436 00:20:06,420 --> 00:20:08,609 OK, so it seems to be time for 437 00:20:08,610 --> 00:20:11,309 Q&A time. 438 00:20:11,310 --> 00:20:12,219 Oh yeah. 439 00:20:12,220 --> 00:20:13,469 OK. 440 00:20:13,470 --> 00:20:14,739 Do we have more slides? 441 00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:16,009 Mm hmm. OK. 442 00:20:16,010 --> 00:20:17,009 That was an excellent. 443 00:20:17,010 --> 00:20:18,240 We can do a longer Q&A. 444 00:20:27,310 --> 00:20:30,579 OK, so we have some mikes for Q&A. 445 00:20:30,580 --> 00:20:32,559 Just line up. 446 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,229 Also, if you're on the stream, this ISC 447 00:20:35,230 --> 00:20:37,569 and Twitter, so 448 00:20:37,570 --> 00:20:39,279 questions. 449 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,779 Internet any questions? 450 00:20:41,980 --> 00:20:42,980 OK? 451 00:20:45,620 --> 00:20:47,779 Well, that's 452 00:20:47,780 --> 00:20:48,780 embarrassing. 453 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,169 OK, just go ahead. 454 00:20:53,170 --> 00:20:54,170 That's Mike. 455 00:20:55,970 --> 00:20:58,369 Hey, I saw that 456 00:20:58,370 --> 00:21:00,139 on the on the screen. 457 00:21:00,140 --> 00:21:00,499 Could you 458 00:21:00,500 --> 00:21:02,779 please talk into the my sorry, 459 00:21:02,780 --> 00:21:04,669 I assume the scream that the video was 460 00:21:04,670 --> 00:21:06,799 very watchable, but how do 461 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,099 you manage the bandwidth problem 462 00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:11,539 or do you regret the reason 463 00:21:11,540 --> 00:21:13,909 to have enough churn to see something 464 00:21:13,910 --> 00:21:16,159 but not enough to to flush 465 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,160 the user? 466 00:21:18,980 --> 00:21:21,139 I think some of it is. We just got lucky 467 00:21:21,140 --> 00:21:23,809 and that the standard chunk sizes 468 00:21:23,810 --> 00:21:26,149 for torrent files 469 00:21:26,150 --> 00:21:28,069 were although we did, actually, we did 470 00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:29,149 have problems with that because we were 471 00:21:29,150 --> 00:21:31,189 looking at pieces and chunks and chunks 472 00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:32,419 are slightly larger. 473 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:33,949 So we decided that we would monitor 474 00:21:33,950 --> 00:21:36,289 chunks because then 475 00:21:36,290 --> 00:21:37,999 you had enough data that it wasn't just 476 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,289 one frame. 477 00:21:39,290 --> 00:21:41,699 And also in terms of processing the 478 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:43,759 the IO, it 479 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,339 starts to just eat up here from CPU, 480 00:21:46,340 --> 00:21:48,529 and you can't see anything visually 481 00:21:48,530 --> 00:21:49,530 interesting. 482 00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:52,669 But yeah, in some ways it's just a 483 00:21:52,670 --> 00:21:55,279 coincidence that it worked out that way. 484 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,619 So usually a chunk is like a quarter 485 00:21:57,620 --> 00:21:59,839 of a second or something like this, and 486 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,410 that's actually the the timescale 487 00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:05,000 that you can see in the video. 488 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:08,699 Hello. 489 00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:10,949 Did you did you try to create it by 490 00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:13,349 content, so let's say only 491 00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:15,629 black and white movies or movie noir, 492 00:22:15,630 --> 00:22:17,519 or maybe just like where you set your 493 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,919 phone out like that video clips and porn 494 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,379 is almost the same, just like 495 00:22:22,380 --> 00:22:24,209 put more content together and not going 496 00:22:24,210 --> 00:22:26,339 for the top 100, but making like 497 00:22:26,340 --> 00:22:28,649 more one piece out of many, 498 00:22:28,650 --> 00:22:30,660 which goes into the same direction. 499 00:22:32,140 --> 00:22:34,499 So the 500 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:36,209 shot with the video presentation you were 501 00:22:36,210 --> 00:22:38,369 just so um is 502 00:22:38,370 --> 00:22:41,159 a, let's say, the installation version, 503 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,269 which is just going by itself. 504 00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:45,479 Um, but um, we 505 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,459 also worked on a 506 00:22:48,570 --> 00:22:51,239 concert version audiovisual constitution 507 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,729 where it would be the 508 00:22:54,110 --> 00:22:56,339 the idea. So exactly what 509 00:22:56,340 --> 00:22:58,409 you are talking about to drive a 510 00:22:58,410 --> 00:23:00,869 little more the the focus 511 00:23:00,870 --> 00:23:03,119 of the view in the time. 512 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:05,399 So the this 513 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,949 concert, um, will be treated 514 00:23:07,950 --> 00:23:10,079 in, uh, different parts, and each 515 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,719 part will be a focus on a 516 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,299 different aspect of the peer-to-peer 517 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:16,919 sharing activity. 518 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,859 So let's say one part could focus on the 519 00:23:19,860 --> 00:23:21,899 music sharing and another part could be, 520 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:24,659 uh, about ebooks that are 521 00:23:24,660 --> 00:23:26,610 about maybe totally obscure 522 00:23:27,780 --> 00:23:30,029 documents or stuff like this. 523 00:23:30,030 --> 00:23:31,030 OK, thanks. 524 00:23:32,170 --> 00:23:33,479 Um, there's a question 525 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,139 in there. I see what the future 526 00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:39,269 of peer-to-peer file exchange, 527 00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:41,130 new view based, you 528 00:23:42,180 --> 00:23:44,659 know, net based, 529 00:23:44,660 --> 00:23:45,660 uh. 530 00:23:47,790 --> 00:23:50,189 Could you repeat that for sure? 531 00:23:50,190 --> 00:23:52,949 What does the future of peer-to-peer 532 00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:55,049 file exchange? 533 00:23:55,050 --> 00:23:56,759 Oh, I don't know if, 534 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,069 for example, a new the new 535 00:23:59,070 --> 00:24:01,169 net based tool? 536 00:24:01,170 --> 00:24:02,170 Yeah. 537 00:24:03,460 --> 00:24:05,400 Um, so actually 538 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,809 the the history of, uh, 539 00:24:09,810 --> 00:24:12,119 BitTorrent, a peer to peer exchanges, 540 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:14,299 uh, uh, reaching 541 00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:16,799 its end because, um, 542 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,089 this a weakness, for instance, in the 543 00:24:19,090 --> 00:24:21,359 insecurity that we are using is, 544 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,819 uh, quite a big issue because it's, 545 00:24:23,820 --> 00:24:25,199 uh, the actual, uh, 546 00:24:26,910 --> 00:24:29,069 inputs that are using, uh, 547 00:24:29,070 --> 00:24:31,160 the uh, the company to, uh, 548 00:24:32,490 --> 00:24:34,589 uh, to have a lawsuit over a 549 00:24:34,590 --> 00:24:36,889 person. Um, so 550 00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:37,890 the technology 551 00:24:39,270 --> 00:24:40,329 has to change. 552 00:24:40,330 --> 00:24:42,659 Um, also the documents 553 00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:43,889 are developing right now. 554 00:24:43,890 --> 00:24:47,369 So, uh, there are a lot of um, 555 00:24:47,370 --> 00:24:49,589 ways to exchange files, 556 00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:52,439 um, outside, uh, classical 557 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,689 BitTorrent, uh, uh, 558 00:24:54,690 --> 00:24:56,909 system, uh, for instance, which 559 00:24:56,910 --> 00:24:58,889 was which was shares. 560 00:24:58,890 --> 00:25:01,019 Even we can go back to the old 561 00:25:01,020 --> 00:25:03,149 F2P systems and so on. 562 00:25:03,150 --> 00:25:05,399 But uh, the actual way that peer-to-peer 563 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,619 works, uh, as, uh, 564 00:25:07,620 --> 00:25:08,970 some issue right now. 565 00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:14,490 So I think it's hard to predict. 566 00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:16,780 Yeah, that's OK. 567 00:25:17,790 --> 00:25:18,790 Go ahead. 568 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,529 How did the people react 569 00:25:22,530 --> 00:25:23,729 to 570 00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:26,309 the installation, did you receive 571 00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:29,099 any feedback from the public? 572 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:31,659 So it really depends where you show it. 573 00:25:31,660 --> 00:25:34,799 Um, for instance, um, 574 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,019 where the wind installation was shown 575 00:25:37,020 --> 00:25:38,659 in Montreal. 576 00:25:38,660 --> 00:25:40,799 Um, the organizers 577 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,319 were super open for the project 578 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,449 and they were like, OK, and you could 579 00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:47,699 even the person and put 580 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:49,199 whatever you want. 581 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,739 It has to be like, What do you radical? 582 00:25:51,740 --> 00:25:54,659 And everything has to be included 583 00:25:54,660 --> 00:25:55,739 in the project. 584 00:25:55,740 --> 00:25:58,169 And for instance, um, 585 00:25:58,170 --> 00:26:00,569 the the other time I presented 586 00:26:00,570 --> 00:26:02,759 the project, it was never possible 587 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,809 to show any form. 588 00:26:03,810 --> 00:26:05,969 So we were just filtering 589 00:26:05,970 --> 00:26:07,769 by categories and listening to on the 590 00:26:07,770 --> 00:26:08,770 other categories. 591 00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:12,689 Another interesting example is the 592 00:26:12,690 --> 00:26:15,119 the time when I showed it in, uh, 593 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:17,249 in China, the reaction of 594 00:26:17,250 --> 00:26:19,439 people was super interesting 595 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,539 because for them, the 596 00:26:21,540 --> 00:26:24,329 the first said the what mean pirate 597 00:26:24,330 --> 00:26:25,709 is like what? 598 00:26:25,710 --> 00:26:28,319 It is being a pirate too, to just 599 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,539 share a photo to just download the file. 600 00:26:30,540 --> 00:26:32,909 What does it mean in 601 00:26:32,910 --> 00:26:35,069 the I mean, just the base 602 00:26:35,070 --> 00:26:37,259 of the project or the base of the 603 00:26:37,260 --> 00:26:39,779 terminology of the project is already 604 00:26:39,780 --> 00:26:41,999 something with 605 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,109 UM. 606 00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:45,569 And for them, they didn't exactly 607 00:26:45,570 --> 00:26:47,669 get the point because, uh, 608 00:26:47,670 --> 00:26:49,799 I mean, you can share and download 609 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,269 things whenever you want the 610 00:26:52,270 --> 00:26:54,899 the equivalent of Google in China. 611 00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:55,900 Um, 612 00:26:57,090 --> 00:27:00,059 you can. From the start page, you can 613 00:27:00,060 --> 00:27:02,129 type, uh, a song or 614 00:27:02,130 --> 00:27:04,289 a movie or a book, and 615 00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:06,419 you can have the actual link to just 616 00:27:06,420 --> 00:27:07,929 download it. 617 00:27:07,930 --> 00:27:08,930 So, 618 00:27:10,050 --> 00:27:12,229 I mean, it's totally outside of the 619 00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:14,399 um of the logic when you show 620 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,400 it there. 621 00:27:16,650 --> 00:27:18,059 I think we have time for one last 622 00:27:18,060 --> 00:27:19,419 question. 623 00:27:19,420 --> 00:27:21,719 Yeah, another question from the IOC. 624 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,059 Um, why didn't they 625 00:27:24,060 --> 00:27:26,249 anonymize the IP addresses? 626 00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:30,599 So actually, 627 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,099 it's something that more and more users 628 00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:33,100 are doing. 629 00:27:33,930 --> 00:27:36,329 Brendan explained that in the project, 630 00:27:36,330 --> 00:27:38,489 we are using a VPN. 631 00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:40,559 So this choice, 632 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,779 we made it, um, just because when 633 00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:45,119 we show it, the specific places we didn't 634 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,219 wanted the IP 635 00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:48,690 of the of the 636 00:27:50,010 --> 00:27:52,439 gallery or something to be 637 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,689 overexposed 24 hours 638 00:27:54,690 --> 00:27:57,719 a day with the 100 top, 639 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,430 most selfies. 640 00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:02,609 But that's actually what's more and more 641 00:28:02,610 --> 00:28:05,129 users are doing. 642 00:28:05,130 --> 00:28:07,679 Um, so that's a we're 643 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,809 using a VPN for all of 644 00:28:09,810 --> 00:28:10,810 your connections. 645 00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:15,119 Um, yeah, I think that 646 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,069 so a lot of users are doing it. 647 00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:20,699 Um, I think the question was more whether 648 00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:21,700 why do you not 649 00:28:22,890 --> 00:28:24,929 anonymize the IP addresses of the other 650 00:28:24,930 --> 00:28:27,059 people like those that 651 00:28:27,060 --> 00:28:28,060 you showed? 652 00:28:28,690 --> 00:28:30,179 Oh, um, 653 00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:33,419 so you know, 654 00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:34,420 when 655 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,099 actually those IP are 656 00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:39,809 totally transparent? 657 00:28:39,810 --> 00:28:41,969 Um, whenever 658 00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:44,039 you launch a BitTorrent 659 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,319 clients, you just choose 660 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,689 any file and you will see the 20 661 00:28:48,690 --> 00:28:50,969 or 100 IP you are connected with. 662 00:28:50,970 --> 00:28:52,799 So that's I mean, that's part of the 663 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,049 system. It's a totally transparent 664 00:28:55,050 --> 00:28:56,229 all the time. 665 00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:58,559 Um, we are just showing 666 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,629 parts of it, but uh, it's you 667 00:29:00,630 --> 00:29:03,479 know, um, already 668 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,480 available. 669 00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:07,289 Yeah. I mean, assuming that the police 670 00:29:07,290 --> 00:29:09,509 weren't going to come to our 671 00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:11,399 gallery show and start writing 672 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,410 down IP addresses for the state. 673 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,739 Thanks. 674 00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:19,589 OK, please thank our speakers, Nicholas 675 00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:20,590 and Brandon.